Ascent Vaporizer by DaVinci

[Lazarus]

Just spoke to Dv they said they still don't have a date for more ordering but it should be "very very soon"

 

[Elmafuf0]

Just spoke to Dv they said they still don't have a date for more ordering but it should be "very very soon"

I've been vaping with the Ascent plugged into the wall socket b/c of a bad connection. Got my RMA # some time ago but Aaron said I could hold on to it for a bit while they got replacements in. Happy to hear the day I can send in without a crazy long wait is nearly here. Would really like to make use of the portable nature of a well functioning unit. New electronic, robot fart Smell has almost disappeared completely now.

 

[OF]

Gentle Friends,

After a missed connection or two I finally got the loan of Nigel's "Burl" Ascent for some evaluation and testing. After charging, I of course couldn't resist loading up a bowl of known bud, putting it on 392F and having a go. Sucker holds a LOT. This load was .30 grams and was a fair bit short of hard packed and full. With a running start I might go .50? Subjectively I found 'sipping' slowly to be quite good, honking on it not so much so.

Now, to the fun part. I made a special Thermo Couple for the job by cutting the last 5 inches or so off, stripping all the fiberglass off it and attaching the bare wires to a T/C connector (backwards the first time, of course.....). In order to keep the two wires insulated I put a thin wall PTFE sleeve over one of them. The other shorts to the grill of course, but since it's a 'floating ground' system, a single ground fault is OK. These I fished up though the grill and through one of the four holes into the oven. I taped the connector to the outside of the swinging door. You can see the TC head here, about in the center of it all. The overall cable blocks about half (or a bit less) of one hole.



For a first quick check of the system I packed the bowl with ABV (mostly from the 'familiarity ride') trying to keep the the TC head as close to the wall as I could. I don't think it actually touches but it's close.

Firing it up at 400 had the measured temperature in the 330F range when the display said 'making vapor' and a solid 400F. It took several more minutes to get to 390F (next time I'll get that number?). Finally making temperature to a surprising level of agreement. This explains, I think, at least in part the time delay I saw in getting solid vapor going. The indicated temperature does not accurately represent load temperature sometimes. There seems to be lots of 'thermal inertia' going on here. The sense point for temperature control (my guess is the heater body; with the glass, ceramic and rubber layers between there and the load?) doesn't really measure the load. Being well surrounded by the heater body, eventually everything gets to temperature much like in a home oven, unlike some other systems where there aren't layers of thermal insulation in the heat path?

Anyway, the load makes temperature eventually to a surprising agreement (remember this is half way up, near the wall):


Now for the fun part, hitting it. A moderate (15 second?) hit doesn't change the display (and indeed might not change the temperature at the sense point much), but look what happens to the load temperature:


That's a pretty nasty drop, and remember this is near the wall (we can assume it's probably worse in the center?). Looks to me like the cold air coming in with the hit is stopping useful production? I think this shows why hitting it hard looking for huge clouds doesn't work as well as you might hope?

It takes it a fair while to recover as well.
Anyway, more playing and some more careful data collection should fill in some of the blanks but it looks to me like some of it's pretty easy to understand and predict? Trying to standardize load and draw will take some thinking I think.....

Overall a neat little product IMO.

More when I know more worth telling.

OF

 

[tomshreds]

Gentle Friends,

After a missed connection or two I finally got the loan of Nigel's "Burl" Ascent for some evaluation and testing. After charging, I of course couldn't resist loading up a bowl of known bud, putting it on 392F and having a go. Sucker holds a LOT. This load was .30 grams and was a fair bit short of hard packed and full. With a running start I might go .50? Subjectively I found 'sipping' slowly to be quite good, honking on it not so much so.

Now, to the fun part. I made a special Thermo Couple for the job by cutting the last 5 inches or so off, stripping all the fiberglass off it and attaching the bare wires to a T/C connector (backwards the first time, of course.....). In order to keep the two wires insulated I put a thin wall PTFE sleeve over one of them. The other shorts to the grill of course, but since it's a 'floating ground' system, a single ground fault is OK. These I fished up though the grill and through one of the four holes into the oven. I taped the connector to the outside of the swinging door. You can see the TC head here, about in the center of it all. The overall cable blocks about half (or a bit less) of one hole.



For a first quick check of the system I packed the bowl with ABV (mostly from the 'familiarity ride') trying to keep the the TC head as close to the wall as I could. I don't think it actually touches but it's close.

Firing it up at 400 had the measured temperature in the 330F range when the display said 'making vapor' and a solid 400F. It took several more minutes to get to 390F (next time I'll get that number?). Finally making temperature to a surprising level of agreement. This explains, I think, at least in part the time delay I saw in getting solid vapor going. The indicated temperature does not accurately represent load temperature sometimes. There seems to be lots of 'thermal inertia' going on here. The sense point for temperature control (my guess is the heater body; with the glass, ceramic and rubber layers between there and the load?) doesn't really measure the load. Being well surrounded by the heater body, eventually everything gets to temperature much like in a home oven, unlike some other systems where there aren't layers of thermal insulation in the heat path?

Anyway, the load makes temperature eventually to a surprising agreement (remember this is half way up, near the wall):


Now for the fun part, hitting it. A moderate (15 second?) hit doesn't change the display (and indeed might not change the temperature at the sense point much), but look what happens to the load temperature:


That's a pretty nasty drop, and remember this is near the wall (we can assume it's probably worse in the center?). Looks to me like the cold air coming in with the hit is stopping useful production? I think this shows why hitting it hard looking for huge clouds doesn't work as well as you might hope?

It takes it a fair while to recover as well.
Anyway, more playing and some more careful data collection should fill in some of the blanks but it looks to me like some of it's pretty easy to understand and predict? Trying to standardize load and draw will take some thinking I think.....

Overall a neat little product IMO.

More when I know more worth telling.

OF

Thanks for the useful info, that's unfortunately the kind of thing I'm starting to fear about the Ascent. It has been delayed just TOO many times in my opinion. I know it's to make it better and stronger, but really? I feel the "oh shit this always breaks we cannot ship that to customers" and as much as I had high hopes in the beginning of the journey, right now I have high doubts about the reliability of the product and WHEN we'll get it.

I'm on the edge of turning heels and picking a Solo. Please anybody, reassure me!

Thanks

 

[JCat]

Thanks for the useful info, that's unfortunately the kind of thing I'm starting to fear about the Ascent. It has been delayed just TOO many times in my opinion. I know it's to make it better and stronger, but really? I feel the "oh shit this always breaks we cannot ship that to customers" and as much as I had high hopes in the beginning of the journey, right now I have high doubts about the reliability of the product and WHEN we'll get it.

I'm on the edge of turning heels and picking a Solo. Please anybody, reassure me!

Thanks

I'm going to throw this out there ... I have my Solo out on indefinite loan to a friend because, although a great portable, its anything but discreet and is only a portable in the sense that it operates on a battery and is small enough to carry around with accessories in a moderate case. The Ascent fits the bill more similar to that of the Inhalater that is not really discrete but discrete enough. It can be used in public without it being extremely obvious (similar to the INH). The Solo on the other hand ... I feel like I'm on display ... so being that with the Solo I feel like I'm on display ... I'd just as soon use my heavy hitting MiniVAP when discretion isn't overly concerning.

If I'm looking for discretion, the Solo doesn't fit the bill at all ... I was using the Inhalater 004 but found that I needed water conditioning or to be outside on a cool day ... or the mouth irritation was such that I would get canker sores from the heat ... I don't have this probem with the Ascent nor Solo at moderate temperatures (the Solo on 7 can cause this issue for me if I use it exclusively and use it at high temperatures without water conditioning ... I have yet to experience this with the Ascent)

I'm continuing to stay on the Ascent band wagon ... I enjoy my device and am looking forward to improvements coming in the updated releases.

 

[tomshreds]

I'm going to throw this out there ... I have my Solo out on indefinite loan to a friend because, although a great portable, its anything but discreet and is only a portable in the sense that it operates on a battery and is small enough to carry around with accessories in a moderate case. The Ascent fits the bill more similar to that of the Inhalater that is not really discrete but discrete enough. It can be used in public without it being extremely obvious (similar to the INH). The Solo on the other hand ... I feel like I'm on display ... so being that with the Solo I feel like I'm on display ... I'd just as soon use my heavy hitting MiniVAP when discretion isn't overly concerning.

If I'm looking for discretion, the Solo doesn't fit the bill at all ... I was using the Inhalater 004 but found that I needed water conditioning or to be outside on a cool day ... or the mouth irritation was such that I would get canker sores from the heat ... I don't have this probem with the Ascent nor Solo at moderate temperatures (the Solo on 7 can cause this issue for me if I use it exclusively and use it at high temperatures without water conditioning ... I have yet to experience this with the Ascent)

I'm continuing to stay on the Ascent band wagon ... I enjoy my device and am looking forward to improvements coming in the updated releases.

Thanks for this, very good to know! I really wanted to read more good comments about the Ascent as there's not much reviews online (since it's not really released yet) so it's easy to get paranoïac about it

Now let's just hope that it releases soon enough

 

[max]

I'm on the edge of turning heels and picking a Solo.

The Solo isn't a pocket vape, but if it'll meet your needs then why wait on and worry about the Ascent? The Solo has already been through it's own growing pains (with pretty much equal and to this model), and is now a solid and reliable performer, and cheaper as well. If you want to be reassured that the Ascent is solid and making people happy, play the waiting game. If you want to be an early adoptee, then you'll have to deal with the risk that's involved.

 

[OF]

Thanks for the useful info, that's unfortunately the kind of thing I'm starting to fear about the Ascent.

right now I have high doubts about the reliability of the product and WHEN we'll get it.

You're welcome. I guess I don't share your fears? I see nothing to call the reliability into question. Like most vapes I think you get better results with one technique over others.

I see nothing to make me think it won't do the same thing over and over again.....and subjectively it does make good vapor. And I think the build quality is at least reasonable, this sample is very nice cosmetically, few I think would find fault.

Time may tell a different story of course. But I see no reason to 'give up' on Ascent and think the next version will have some useful improvements as well?

OF

 

[tomshreds]

The Solo isn't a pocket vape, but if it'll meet your needs then why wait on and worry about the Ascent? The Solo has already been through it's own growing pains (with pretty much equal and to this model), and is now a solid and reliable performer, and cheaper as well. If you want to be reassured that the Ascent is solid and making people happy, play the waiting game. If you want to be an early adoptee, then you'll have to deal with the risk that's involved.

Good point, I think I'm still excited enough to be an early adoptee. Ascent looks like the bomb hehe

You're welcome. I guess I don't share your fears? I see nothing to call the reliability into question. Like most vapes I think you get better results with one technique over others.

I see nothing to make me think it won't do the same thing over and over again.....and subjectively it does make good vapor. And I think the build quality is at least reasonable, this sample is very nice cosmetically, few I think would find fault.

Time may tell a different story of course. But I see no reason to 'give up' on Ascent and think the next version will have some useful improvements as well?

OF

It's cool to see that I shouldn't worry about that stuff at all, so everything is alright! Fears have been fixed!

Thanks to both of you again

 

[berbano]

I still plan on getting an ascent when the QC is better. I love the design and the idea behind it. I did just pick up a pinnacle pro in the meantime. Looks to be a very good vape. Might want to hit up that thread and give it a look.

With the temperature drop after pulling on the ascent wouldn't any bowl like this do that? You are directly pulling the hot air out and it needs to get back to temp. Nothing to really make me worried but I can see how that would kill your herb much faster.

 

[OF]

With the temperature drop after pulling on the ascent wouldn't any bowl like this do that? You are directly pulling the hot air out and it needs to get back to temp. Nothing to really make me worried but I can see how that would kill your herb much faster.

Not necessarily. It depends on the design. Many convection vapes do just the opposite. Vapes like HA, VG, Cera LL and so on cool down when you stop hitting.

I'm not sure why this vape would 'kill the herb much faster'? Than what?

OF

 

[tomshreds]

Not necessarily. It depends on the design. Many convection vapes do just the opposite. Vapes like HA, VG, Cera LL and so on cool down when you stop hitting.

I'm not sure why this vape would 'kill the herb much faster'? Than what?

OF

I had a question about that. I'm smoking joints with my girlfriend every evenings. We go though an ounce every 8 days or so which costs us a LOT (I buy nice herbs, and it's 180$/ounce here so about 700$ a month :-/)

I heard that vapes tend to go through LESS of the herbs. Is it the truth? If so is there a huge difference?

Any tips?

Thanks!

 

[OF]

I'm smoking joints with my girlfriend every evenings. We go though an ounce every 8 days or so which costs us a LOT (I buy nice herbs, and it's 180$/ounce here so about 700$ a month :-/)

I heard that vapes tend to go through LESS of the herbs. Is it the truth? If so is there a huge difference?

Any tips?

True enough. I'd say on average quitting blazing will cut your herb bill to 1/3 or 1/4 of what it is now. Yes, I mean that, expect an ounce to go a month...give or take. Many upgrade to higher grades and partaking more often but I doubt there's a serious guy around here that hasn't experienced his weed bill dropping by at least half?

Some vapes seem to use more, I've a feeling this might be one of those. For casual use I get the same sort of effect from my typical .125 gram load in my Solo I got from .30 last night from this guy.

IMO all time champs for squeezing the last bit of THC out are stem vapes like the HI. Loads here are tiny, many 30 or more to the gram, and guys typically hit a few stems. Say ten sessions to the gram? MFLB can be quite frugal too, IMO. Vapman is on that list as well, IMO. The user is more active in those guys though. It's not a 'load it up, push the button, kick back and enjoy' thing.

Run your tolerance up and you'll use more of course. But by not burning lots of otherwise useful THC up blazing (estimates are a half or more) and not including a bunch of nasty toxic junk you end up 'taking up' most of the THC you put in the bowl.....and needed less in your blood to get the same effect.

I'd suggest you get a basic variable temperature vape like Vapor Genie. It will teach you about vaping and what temperatures do what (and how to avoid combustion....which everyone seems to try a time or two...) and for well under a hundred bucks it's a great backup/alternative to have around.

Perhaps by then enough of the Ascent wrinkles have been ironed out for you?

OF

 

[100n3y]

Gentle Friends,

After a missed connection or two I finally got the loan of Nigel's "Burl" Ascent for some evaluation and testing. After charging, I of course couldn't resist loading up a bowl of known bud, putting it on 392F and having a go. Sucker holds a LOT. This load was .30 grams and was a fair bit short of hard packed and full. With a running start I might go .50? Subjectively I found 'sipping' slowly to be quite good, honking on it not so much so.

Now, to the fun part. I made a special Thermo Couple for the job by cutting the last 5 inches or so off, stripping all the fiberglass off it and attaching the bare wires to a T/C connector (backwards the first time, of course.....). In order to keep the two wires insulated I put a thin wall PTFE sleeve over one of them. The other shorts to the grill of course, but since it's a 'floating ground' system, a single ground fault is OK. These I fished up though the grill and through one of the four holes into the oven. I taped the connector to the outside of the swinging door. You can see the TC head here, about in the center of it all. The overall cable blocks about half (or a bit less) of one hole.



For a first quick check of the system I packed the bowl with ABV (mostly from the 'familiarity ride') trying to keep the the TC head as close to the wall as I could. I don't think it actually touches but it's close.

Firing it up at 400 had the measured temperature in the 330F range when the display said 'making vapor' and a solid 400F. It took several more minutes to get to 390F (next time I'll get that number?). Finally making temperature to a surprising level of agreement. This explains, I think, at least in part the time delay I saw in getting solid vapor going. The indicated temperature does not accurately represent load temperature sometimes. There seems to be lots of 'thermal inertia' going on here. The sense point for temperature control (my guess is the heater body; with the glass, ceramic and rubber layers between there and the load?) doesn't really measure the load. Being well surrounded by the heater body, eventually everything gets to temperature much like in a home oven, unlike some other systems where there aren't layers of thermal insulation in the heat path?

Anyway, the load makes temperature eventually to a surprising agreement (remember this is half way up, near the wall):


Now for the fun part, hitting it. A moderate (15 second?) hit doesn't change the display (and indeed might not change the temperature at the sense point much), but look what happens to the load temperature:


That's a pretty nasty drop, and remember this is near the wall (we can assume it's probably worse in the center?). Looks to me like the cold air coming in with the hit is stopping useful production? I think this shows why hitting it hard looking for huge clouds doesn't work as well as you might hope?

It takes it a fair while to recover as well.
Anyway, more playing and some more careful data collection should fill in some of the blanks but it looks to me like some of it's pretty easy to understand and predict? Trying to standardize load and draw will take some thinking I think.....

Overall a neat little product IMO.

More when I know more worth telling.

OF

Figured I'd come out of lurking to say "Thanks for this!" This is the type of QC that should've been done already (and hopefully is on the next round.) I wondered this about my OG Davinci. It only makes sense that pulling cooler air through the bowl would cool it down, but it doesn't make sense that a mechanism isn't in place to sense this cooling, measure it appropriately, and correct. Heck, maybe it is, I'm not a vape engineer.

Anyways, that being said, I'm getting weak. I do not have a personal vape anymore (sold my OG Dav.). Saw a PAX on Craigslist the other day and nearly jumped on it. If anyone has extra patience please send it my way and.....good luck DV on correcting these issues we do/don't know about. This'll be great for everyone once all's corrected. *lurk-mode re-engaged*

 

[2 Paces]

I doubt there's a serious guy around here that hasn't experienced his weed bill dropping by at least half?

I have heard all these stories of decreased use, but have not experienced it. I have been going through an ounce a month for over 20 years. That did not change when I switched to vaping about 2 years ago.

From what I have read here, reduced consumption is common. But it is not guaranteed. Mine stayed the same.

 

[stickstones]

I have heard all these stories of decreased use, but have not experienced it. I have been going through an ounce a month for over 20 years. That did not change when I switched to vaping about 2 years ago.

From what I have read here, reduced consumption is common. But it is not guaranteed. Mine stayed the same.

What vapes are you using?

 

[2 Paces]

What vapes are you using?

MFLB, Pax, Nano, DBV.

I realize I may be the exception, but even when I was using the MFLB exclusively for the first year of vaping my usage didn't decrease from combustion.

 

[mmenzie]

180$/ounce here so about 700$ a month :-/)

with your useage be glad you don't live here... i pay $400.00 per ounce. luckily my usage is less than yours an an ounce will last me close to a month. i couldn't imagine paying $1600.00 a month if i had your usage

 

[sxmokeUP]

@OF, Thanks for the Temp Readings and experiment.

What is your opinion of the temps here to other vapes currently out there?

What I am asking is are the temp draw issues with the Ascent, typical with other vapes.

What if 1 or 2 of the 4 holes were plugged up to make drawing hard/fast more difficult.

 

[OF]

What is your opinion of the temps here to other vapes currently out there?

What I am asking is are the temp draw issues with the Ascent, typical with other vapes.

What if 1 or 2 of the 4 holes were plugged up to make drawing hard/fast more difficult.

You're welcome, glad to the useful (I hope) information out.....

Beats me how others do in this condition. I only just got the meter and T/Cs a bit ago, the only other vape I've done it with is the Solo where I saw basically the opposite. Hitting it brought the center of the bowl temperature UP about 30 degrees:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo.3833/page-729#post-450224

IMO going down in temperature between hits is much better than the other way around?

I've no doubt plugging vents will make drawing harder, but why? You can just not hit it as hard and don't have to get all red in the face, dizzy and pass out? Sipping seems to work very well, but many guys are cloud chasers and aren't interested in sipping.......

OF

 

[Hexi]

I had a question about that. I'm smoking joints with my girlfriend every evenings. We go though an ounce every 8 days or so which costs us a LOT (I buy nice herbs, and it's 180$/ounce here so about 700$ a month :-/)

I heard that vapes tend to go through LESS of the herbs. Is it the truth? If so is there a huge difference?

Any tips?

Thanks!

My first vape was the butane powered iOlite. My biggest problem with that vape was power. It only goes to one temp, and not quite hot enough to get the full spectrum. Which caused me to burn more than I should.

PAX, very simple elegant design, easy to use (harder to maintain) and hit much harder and hotter than the iOlite, and going from combustion to the Pax type hits can be very familiar feeling for people.

Switched to SOLO and a bubbler and can do much bigger rips now (easier on the throat) even with smaller amounts.

1oz every 8 days would be impossible for me to vape through. In fact, once I switched to vaping, my regular schedule was off.

The biggest change is timing. Smoking a blunt with 1 other person? Your session is done in 5 minutes, but you burned through a huge amount of herb just for 1 session. If you take a typical joint, unroll it, that herb is like 3 loads of a vape session or more. Each vaping session is typically longer than a smoking session because of warm up time, and pacing.

I cancelled my plans for the Ascent until they work out the issues, but generally speaking, sipping on whispy hits for me isn't worth the price point and hassle. I already have a pax and original da vinci that both hit big blasts when working (Pax is bricked atm)

However some people with the Ascent have shown us huge milky hit videos, but others get tiny whisps... so both possibilities for each unit? It's much harder to get efficient vaping with heavy hits in a smaller unit. It's a huge technological achievement IMO that these portables even work, and it's normal to have this many problems in new launch models.

WHen I think of any product that went small/mini, the early launches always had major issues.

 

[OF]

It's much harder to get efficient vaping with heavy hits in a smaller unit. It's a huge technological achievement IMO that these portables even work, and it's normal to have this many problems in new launch models.

Wow! Outstanding point, well expressed. Very easy to lose sight of. Making a good vape is obviously not easy. Making it compact, powerful, easy to use, efficient, good tasting and with enough battery on board to be useful in the real world only makes that task all the harder.

I think we're fortunate indeed that innovative guys are drawn by the potential of profit to keep advancing the choices in the market for us. Every better vape along the way raises the bar again......very cool IMO.

Anyway, boys and girls, I think Hexi has just said something quite profound, well worth reflecting on. I guess this kind of puts an end to that 'oh, he's just another pretty face' stuff? IMO the man's worth listening to......

Thanks, Hexi, you're a serious contributor and that's for sure. Great perspective.

OF

 

[Blackfish108]

As far as joints go, I used to love them but since I've been getting into conserving my stuff over the past few years, I'm starting to step away. Ill take what I can get at a friends house or at party but I always find myself staring at the cherry thinking, "what a waste". At least with a bowl you can cap it and relight after each person. It makes my skin crawl when I see a bowl just smoldering in my friends lap, playing GTA V, with his mouth open like a zombie (guess that's more of a credit to the combination of blue rhino and rock star games).
That's one of the reasons I don't like my pax or MFLB. It just feels like when your not hitting a conduction based vape, your wasting herb cause its always touching something hot. Maybe not the MFLB as much due to how fast it heats up but when I passed it to an uneducated friend of mine, smoke started pouring out... User error I know but still.
It's really preference I know but I still use my N02 as my go to portable, then it's up to mount Vesuvius to get the job properly ripped at home. I, Like the Indian, use all parts of the bud... I have five jars of ABV, ranging from dark to light that I make my honey from.
If I'm totally out, I can make magic with resin (although I haven't had this problem in years now). I once had a spoon that I used for about a month, when I was at college I ran out so I started scorching resin out of it. It should have only lasted about three days but by some almost Jewish miracle, it lasted me a full fourteen days and nights!

100n3y: I've found myself a fellow lurker, I prefer caves myself.


Oh and awesome post Hexi!!!

 

[OF]

OK, a little follow on data for your amusement. I dumped the ABV, centered up the sensor, and loaded a 'pretty full' bowl. .40 grams of well cured medium ground top shelf goodness. Then I fired it up setting it to 400F again.

When the display showed on temperature (400F) and the little 'making vapor' symbol lit the load was still 230F....a long way behind. Since the rise slows down a lot as you get near maximum (for a bunch of boring physics reasons) I timed it to 390 degrees (10 short) while the temperature is still changing a degree per second or so. Hopefully this gives both useful and repeatable measures? Anyway, 4:30 to 390F in the load after the vape says 'ready'. It takes five minutes (or more) to get the entire load working after Ascent says it's ready. That may explain things to some?

I then did 3 'normal' hits (full but not extreme lung fill, 10 seconds on the draw). The load temperature dose dived into the 250 to 280F range and took on average 1:30 to recover to 390F again. Shorter by far than 'up from cold' but still a problem I think for some uses.

Anyway 3 very nice hits, 2 might have been smarter...... That was pretty much the last of the battery however??? I was down to one bar having basically done 3 sessions on the original filling..... Somewhere along the line that's worth looking into. I think you can run this sucker while charging, which might be a clue to it's power useage (like does it cycle? And how often?) as well as actual consumption (seems like right now you spend more time charging than using by a wide margin?

So two timing tips:

• Give it at least a few minutes extra on start up before hitting if you want the full load involved
• Wait a minute and a half or so for the load to recover between normal hits if you want full performance

Anyway, a few more data points for you to scratch your head over......no sense in my having all the fun.

Regards.

OF

 

[sxmokeUP]

Hope DV can FIX that issue, if they are still following new issues and problems.

AND, Hope it's not a firmware issue. Back on pg 108, Blackfish108 contacted DV company and no updated firmware.