Discontinued Thermovape Cera

[darkrom]

Definitly same here! I definitly noticed the more even heating through the load as well as the ease of the draw to produce nice thick clouds! Plus another observation is that now I'm getting 4-6 bowls off of one battery where as I used to get 2! Boy I love this thing!

IMO if you got only 2 bowls per battery you were either doing something terribly wrong or did have some kind of actual issue with the cera. Glad to hear that is no longer the case. I'd expect everyone to get easily more than that with a properly functioning cera.

 

[Sonics420]

I havent even plugged my LL cart since I got my replacement lol..that EO has taken over Ceras body..
Goin to try it out and see if there is infact a difference..

 

[Skored]

Same exact experience for me, took 6 days from the day i dropped it off at the post office. Also my LL core is hitting like no other, I'm barely inhaling and pulling fat clouds consistently, herb is roasting more evenly as well. I think it wasn't 100% before it took a crap, really hoping they've figured out the strap issue and it continues to perform like this. I am using a slow DEEP inhale, alot like Noah did in those old videos and getting similar size hits as well .

Super happy to hear this as mine needs to be sent back. It didn't work properly for about a week, and I thought my technique needed refining as I was only getting little vapor, had to work hard for it, and couldn't get a bowl fully vaped. Then it worked perfectly for one bowl, the best it ever did. I took the cap off and one of the O rings was burnt/severed. It never fired up since.

Very much looking forward to getting it back working better than ever!

 

[YeeeBuddy]

Definitly same here! I definitly noticed the more even heating through the load as well as the ease of the draw to produce nice thick clouds! Plus another observation is that now I'm getting 4-6 bowls off of one battery where as I used to get 2! Boy I love this thing!

Crazy I was having the same thing going on with the batteries, i was getting worried that I had bad batts or something. I started putting in a fresh one after every bowl because of this, im gonna try using them longer hopefully my battery life improves as well

 

[tavosvo]

It sound to me like they should consider an inspection jig to check for this. I've got a couple ideas to discuss with Tim and the guys. Once they get your defective unit in I think I'll wonder over and have a look at it with them? Please add a note to that effect when you send it in? TIA

I'm sure they'll sort it out quickly and effectively but I think it's time for a trip to the shop and a follow up inspection technique is worth looking into. For sure the new welding plans should include this new concern. Good luck, not that I think you'll need it.

BTW, you might test the battery, chances are if the vents didn't open you're still able to use it?

OF

Thanks OF. I really have no issues with it as of now besides the smell and avoiding upside down batteries, but I feel it's important to product development so sending it in for inspection is no problem.

 

[Jeppy]

Ol OF. I wonder how much he is the mastermind behind, perhaps.

 

[OF]

Ol OF. I wonder how much he is the mastermind behind, perhaps.

Nope, must have been two other guys.

Didn't happen on my watch.

OF

 

[Jeppy]

OF

 

[Darb]

JoeKickass has inspired me to create a power supply similar to his. He was even nice enough to provide me with info on the needed fittings and construction technique. I didn't ask but just mentioned constructing one in this thread. Thanks again JoeKickass.
These are just rough drafts that were built in my apartment with no bench vice and a worn out hacksaw blade. I will make much nicer copies when I finally get a couple days off work.

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18650

I hope the photos work. First time using imgur. Joe has inspired me and I had to show to people who would appreciate. My girlfriend is more than sick of politely listening to me blabber about vaporizing.

There is no button. I just insert battery and slide two halves together. Can definitely be dangerous if one is careless/forgetful. I just keep the top in one zip up pocket with a lint cap and the bottom with battery in another pocket by itself. (No change or keys in those pockets either. Things could get very hot......)

 

[nopartofme]

Sounds like good advice to me. I'll take your word for it, I chickened out and used the hose trick.....

Good observation.

OF

Sorry to quote an old post. I don't know what the hose trick is, but I've just realized that you can witness your breath's effect on the brightness of coil live if you use it in a pitch dark room, as the glow is then visible through the ceramic. A whip or mirror helps with not going cross-eyed.

Now I'm imagining a new accessory: a ring with the same inner diameter as the ceramic mouthpiece. The ring would be made out of cubic zirconia, or synthetic ruby or sapphire. In use it would be slid over the LL core prior to putting on the mouthpiece, and would feature an outer surface cut like a gem so as to do interesting things to the light shining out from the core.

Yup, Cera's definitely working fine…

 

[WL]

Anyone recall someone posting about using the SS body with a TI core? I seem to remember something like that, but couldn't find it as a scrolled through. I thought it might have been deleted. Or that I was dreaming....

 

[havealight101]

Anyone recall someone posting about using the SS body with a TI core? I seem to remember something like that, but couldn't find it as a scrolled through. I thought it might have been deleted. Or that I was dreaming....

I think I remember it was frowned upon due to the different thermal expansion properties of the two different materials. You would have TI threading into SS, and its my understanding that could cause issues. Someone will correct if I'm wrong.

 

[OF]

I think I remember it was frowned upon due to the different thermal expansion properties of the two different materials. You would have TI threading into SS, and its my understanding that could cause issues. Someone will correct if I'm wrong.

Yup, that can be an issue all right. I also use brass in my thread adapters so you end up with a mismatch here as well. Get ham fisted at the wrong time and you'll have a huge problem. Screw a cold thing made of something that stretches faster than the hot thing it gets screwed into too tight and when the temperatures match (and the girl part shrinks faster and more than the boy part) and you're cooked. It can be near impossible to heat the outside part enough without heating the inside part too much. Sometimes heavy cooling (dry ice or liquid Nitrogen) can save the day, but most guys don't have that resource.

This is actually a high tech construction process called "shrink fitting". You can, for instance, slip a simple sleeve over a gun barrel too weak on it's own while it's hot. If the hole is 'just the right amount undersize' it's on for the duration. You get a cheaper, lighter barrel that's as reliable as a conventional one. If it holds up for firearms, Cera doesn't stand much of a chance.

I have Ti Beta cores in LL and EO, the EO one I've used a lot. Being schooled in this good stuff I'm very careful and have had no problems, but the chance is surely there and you basically get one screw up. The Ti part is sure to lose out over the SS and once galled in the part is basically toast as it will continue to have problems with the threads. In general, I think the 'don't mix metals' is good advice.

OF

 

[WL]

Okay, I took the plunge. Ti LL and EO cart. Finally saved up for these suckers.

 

[VaporTech]

Nice. Anybody have any idea what kind of turn around is happening with orders lately? I'm looking to bring home a SS edition of that order. I been savin' up trying to out wait the pre-order/back-log dance and it's lookin' like a go.

 

[WL]

Nice. Anybody have any idea what kind of turn around is happening with orders lately? I'm looking to bring home a SS edition of that order. I been savin' up trying to out wait the pre-order/back-log dance and it's lookin' like a go.

If I remember correctly, Tim announced maybe ten or more pages back that TV has completely caught up on SS orders(with the exception of the EL cart). Still not sure about the Ti... In fact, I'm not even sure when I'll be getting mine, as I haven't received a confirmation email yet?. Although, I'm assuming that email will go out when the work week starts.

 

[CG420]

I got my cera back recently and they really did tuned this baby back to working condition. I don't know why it stopped working all of a sudden but it's fine I guess that's what happens when you are an early adopter. LL cart works better than before if not the same as usual. I got better at my inhaling technique by practicing and remastering the whip on my Arizer Extreme Q while it was being sent in for repair. I realized that I actually learned how to master the cera's full potential now.

Fill cart wit herbs. Don't pack firm. Slightly is okay but you are the master at creating the airflow so do use your noggin not just your eyes on this. This thing has no restricted airflow, you basically just gotta know that you're gonna have to pack a series of bowls to get potentially dense vapors once you can allow yourself to manage your inhale right. I start slow as hell and then gradually speed it up and repeating that kinda like sipping from a straw. I've got a 510 drip tip connected with a 3/4' in. clear tube (from my arizer bag) connected on the cera mouthpiece with some force. It looks natural and actually better than how the cera looks without it. Gives the vapor some time to cool down through the passage.

Definitely needs no LCD screen. You have the momentary switch and you don't need to depress it all the way in to get the cera activated. Plus it doesn't auto shut-off on you (kind of a flaw because you can definitely get the cera to combust the herbs or even be hot to touch and dangerous if not properly handled.) I never really use the battery pin stopper, it just looks useless and doesn't really justify the video TET puts on their youtube page. I hope they actually come up with a better result from the mini version because I sure would like a new and improved cera especially if it's lighter as well.

The cera gets hotter than before when it first arrived. I think I might burn myself if I don't take breaks in between. You can't share this vaporizer to a group. They'll drop it for sure if you don't instruct them to hold it from the bottom. I never dropped mine yet so I plan to just keep this as my personal vape. I really do hope TET does develop a casing that can cool heat instantly. For the most part, I'm just happy it came back. Thanks Zeki and TET team! Keep up the great job.

 

[BLAZING OG]

Ive been going hard guys on looking for a cera sleeve solution, here's another material i came across!!!!!!

http://www.firesleeveandtape.com/AB-Thermal-catalog-S-FS-SS.pdf

only problem is you need to buy it in spools of 50 or 100 feet($200-500).

 

[darkrom]

So I thought I'd contribute a bit to the sticking thread issue I had. I found the perfect solution to be the Chronisour Grinder Grease I happened to have laying around.

No my biggest issue with the cera is activating it on the bottom. An "on/off" style switch would really take this LL cart to the next leve.

 

[Tom Funk]

Hey Everyone,
Thanks to all who weighed in on my flat top vs button top battery question.

I've been thinking of the few issues people have with the Cera and how they could be solved. These are:
1. Hot mouthpiece and top cap
2. Lack of side switch and latching switch
3. Weight of the device
4. Expense

1. I wonder whether an alternative Delrin/PTFE mouthpiece and top cap could be made - same design but different material. I'm sure that many who would prefer ceramic for individual use would like to have a cooler option for group use.

2. An up sized version of the T1 base would provide a side switch while also going some way to addressing points 3 & 4. The side switch could also be made to be able to latch by incorporating a pipes stone pad type idea but with the pad being attached to the battery tube and the delrin cut out being an upside down L shape so that the thumb slider could be slid across to latch on. This would be even better if there could be an LED just above the thumb slider to let you know when the device was on. I think the whole device might be a bit shorter with this handle too. The only problem I forsee with this handle would be safety issues with ceramic mouthpiece/top cap heat and spurting oil if left on. This could be solved by only selling this handle for use with the herb cart and delrin/PTFE top cap and mouthpiece. People would of course be free to mix and match at their own risk.

There's not much ceramic left in the Cera with this idea (call it T2 perhaps?)but this could be a less expensive sister model to be sold along side the Cera.

Another thing I'd love to see is a transparent cubic zirconia mouthpiece, top cap and bowl. Is this possible? How cool would that be - watching your core light up? Practical too with non-protected batteries. You could keep a visual check on not draining the battery too far. Not too stealth though I suppose.

Put the transparent top with the wood body that Tim talked about in the first thread and it would be my dream vape.

What do people think?

TF

 

[darkrom]

I don't particularly care about transparent anything (though I agree it would look cool, for a cost) but I like your idea of a "T2" handle for the cera LL core. I'd definitely like the option for a different style "battery/on-off" tube. Switch them depending on my mood. They wouldn't have to be too involved, just like the mechanical, simple but genius, T1 switch. As much as I'd rather a button style switch, I found the T1 sliding switch easier to use than the oddly located cera switch. Again I love my cera, more than any portable in fact, but I'd love to change around how I activate it for the LL. For EO I could see this being a non issue.

 

[OF]

What do people think?

I think there are some interesting ideas in there, some of which I'm guessing will be included in the mini Cera design. Some, like the LED, aren't possible with the current or proposed configurations but are also good candidates for thought.

I think TV has shown all along that they are a pretty sharp outfit. Not only were (and are) their designs solid but they have listened to (and responded to) our reasonable requests in the Cera. It's what we asked for. My guess is the next product will largely be as well?

I think it's great that the attitude of 'I can do that better' is alive but I'd advise giving due credit to TV and seeing what they offer next before trying to fix it too much?

OF

 

[Darb]

I don't particularly care about transparent anything (though I agree it would look cool, for a cost) but I like your idea of a "T2" handle for the cera LL core. I'd definitely like the option for a different style "battery/on-off" tube. Switch them depending on my mood. They wouldn't have to be too involved, just like the mechanical, simple but genius, T1 switch. As much as I'd rather a button style switch, I found the T1 sliding switch easier to use than the oddly located cera switch. Again I love my cera, more than any portable in fact, but I'd love to change around how I activate it for the LL. For EO I could see this being a non issue.

Agreed. The durability of the T1 was a big plus for me. A SS Cera body/mouthpiece cover would be awesome........although I guess it wouldn't be a "Cera" if it was no longer ceramic??

 

[darkrom]

Well I feel like my cera is durable too. Short of something catastrophic I'd feel safe dropping it out and about hiking, which is probably the most physical thing I do personally. Maybe if it fell off a cliff and down 20 feet onto a rock something might happen, but I'm a realist here...the odds are very bad of me letting that happen. I'm more worried about losing it in a river...

I would be thrilled if they made a sliding switch body out of the same material it is made out of now. Thinking back I always asked for push button, but I was thinking a SIDE push button like on the persei. That would be a switch I'd buy in a heart beat.

 

[OF]

Agreed. The durability of the T1 was a big plus for me. A SS Cera body/mouthpiece cover would be awesome........

Gee, at the risk of repeating myself, wouldn't a replacement adapter threaded for Cera be nice?



I would expect them to make a replacement for the adapter my kluge is screwed into (the part with the switch inside) about the same size as the current one threaded for 510s....only with the 3/8-24 thread to match Cera carts. That photo is of the 14500 based supply, the idea holds for the T1 as well of course (although the catch well for leaks causes some problems in the scheme I'm using).

This I expect after the mini Cera (as they've said) which I expect to incorporate other changes as well. Time will tell.

Well I feel like my cera is durable too. Short of something catastrophic I'd feel safe dropping it out and about hiking, which is probably the most physical thing I do personally. Maybe if it fell off a cliff and down 20 feet onto a rock something might happen, but I'm a realist here...the odds are very bad of me letting that happen. I'm more worried about losing it in a river...

For sure you're my number one Beta Tester in that area Big Guy. If there's anyone out there that can use the Laws of Selective Gravitation to make the most inconceivably bazaar accident to happen, you're that guy!

If it passes 'the DR test' it's good to ride the trail with.

OF