Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

OF

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The taste is SUPREME every... damn... time... and those 5.0s are NO JOKE - Thanks for all the tips errrbody.

...and the thing just looks so damn classy...

Glad it's going well for you.

I think anything but 2.4s at 3.7 Volts is a mistake for new users, but you no doubt know that and have decided to forge on anyway. Not to be negative, but expect problems with them (leaks or burnt oil.....or both) until you master the system on the much easier to control 2.4s. The big read warnings are real, not a sales gimmick.

Good luck with it.

Is the Persei going to slowly drain the batteries if I leave my 7.4 and my 3.7 (SS Kit) setups assembled?

No, not significantly. I leave mine loaded up and ready.

I haven't had a leak since I stop putting PG in the carts.
I also learned to love WAX.

You're absolutely right there. Putting PG into an Omicron cart is probably the easiest way to get a properly loaded 2.4 Ohm cart to leak. Never fails? You end up with a very expensive mess. Too bad, PG is great stuff.

OF
 

druminfected

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I believe someone posted earlier about that suction issue. Apparently if you remove the NX entirely it happens, but if you keep the bottom ring on it doesn't. I also hear it doesn't need a lot of water so be careful there.

We definitely need a definitive NX post.

Hmm so when done using NX, they remove the metal o-ring and then pull the rest off? Yeh I didn't put much water in it at all, I do a test draw with water in NX to see if I draw any water, and fix accordingly but still ran into this issue. Suprised I couldn't find one nibbler x video cause this is bad arse accessory! Anyone have a video of the NX, please post it up
 

SlinginPaint

As Above ∞ So Below
Glad it's going well for you.
Not to be negative, but expect problems with them (leaks or burnt oil.....or both) until you master the system on the much easier to control 2.4s. The big read warnings are real, not a sales gimmick.

Good luck with it.
OF

Thanks for keepin' my head in the game! I am only hitting the 5.0 for 2 seconds + 5 sec cool down at the most, and I am being very gentle with those. They are only for putting me to sleep. I did load them knowing I would possibly screw it up or that they would burn, but I was like a kid on christmas, and wanted to have the options of multiple strains. luckily concentrates are readily available.
 

OF

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Thanks for keepin' my head in the game! I am only hitting the 5.0 for 2 seconds + 5 sec cool down at the most, and I am being very gentle with those.

You're welcome. Glad it's working well at 2 seconds. Many have been there before. Most lack your iron will and try 2.5 seconds and find that even better.....

Sometimes sound judgement and intentions get distracted a mite.

OF
 
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MaxVapor

The Professor
How about a IGES file?
STL is what you need?

What program do you use?

I design in RHINO 3D with attachments like TSPLINE and FLAMINGO.

It seems STL is the most common format for 3D printing slicer software that create the G-Code that actually drives the printer (from my limited rep-rap knowledge). I am in the Entertainment biz so I use Maya, Cinema 4D, and been learning Z-Brush lately. CAD programs may be better for this task, but I gotta stick with what I know!
 

norcal420

New Member
heyheyhey

im a daily dabber, but new to vaping. ive been doing research and the persei seems like the way to go!

is the persei fairly easy to use? and can it take any kinds of concentrate such as honeycomb, bho, full melt, etc?

this threads so helpful, thanks for all the info
 
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Atomsk

Floating In My Tin Can
heyheyhey

im a daily dabber, but new to vaping. ive been doing research and the persei seems like the way to go!

is the persei fairly easy to use? and can it take any kinds of concentrate such as honeycomb, bho, full melt, etc?

this threads so helpful, thanks for all the info

Welcome to FC and the Persei.

You should familiarize yourself with these instructions as they encompass general questions:
http://www.delta9vapes.com/pages.php?pageid=4
http://vaporpedia.com/wiki/Persei

The quick answers are that the Persei has a definite learning curve, depending on what carts you use, you can use any wax that's high quality, stable at room temperature, gooey-liquid at warmer temperatures, purged of whatever solvent used to extract, and is not a cold water extract.

The learning curve is definitely there. You have to really understand what ohm carts to pair with what voltages, what waxes in particular to use for your carts (you can use the silver tube Omicron carts, the Bender for Herb, the Hercules for EVERYTHING, the SS Tank for E-juice), how to fill it correctly, how to inhale correctly, and how to maintain all your device components.

Reading up on those links I posted will help you on a bunch of different levels and for more specifics, please feel free to ask.
 

norcal420

New Member
Welcome to FC and the Persei.

You should familiarize yourself with these instructions as they encompass general questions:
http://www.delta9vapes.com/pages.php?pageid=4
http://vaporpedia.com/wiki/Persei

The quick answers are that the Persei has a definite learning curve, depending on what carts you use, you can use any wax that's high quality, stable at room temperature, gooey-liquid at warmer temperatures, purged of whatever solvent used to extract, and is not a cold water extract.

The learning curve is definitely there. You have to really understand what ohm carts to pair with what voltages, what waxes in particular to use for your carts (you can use the silver tube Omicron carts, the Bender for Herb, the Hercules for EVERYTHING, the SS Tank for E-juice), how to fill it correctly, how to inhale correctly, and how to maintain all your device components.

Reading up on those links I posted will help you on a bunch of different levels and for more specifics, please feel free to ask.



thanks so much for all the info! its helping me out a loooot
 
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friedbanana8

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I primarily use the 2.4ohm carts for during the day medicating and the 5.0 for afterwork/relax time. It's really easy to overmedicate with the 5.0ohm carts :) Does anyone have any experience with the quad coil ejuice carts that d9v sells? The wife gave me a $200 limit for my birthday and I was thinking about buying a Provari + a tank setup but then I figured I might as well just get a Persei SS kit and D9V quad coil cartos so that's what I ordered. i got the thread adapters too, it would just be nice to have most of my equipment from the same manufacturer. I've learned the only thing I don't like about the Persei is my friends always ask if they can take a hit but the instructional demonstration I give never seems to apply over to their technique. Thus, I usually just hand them my V2 Omicron when they ask if they can try it that way my main vape doesn't get messed up.
In regards to some of the nibbler x questions/comments posted....i don't feel it cools the cartridge at all. As was explained prior the glass tends to insulate the cartridge more than anything. The glass really doesn't touch the cartridge at all. The nibbler x is a great visual training wheels tool though, it allows you to not only get the most of your cartridges but also provides visual gauge to see exactly what size of a hit you are getting. This has been critical in helping me keep a consisted dosage as I need medication moderately throughout the day but I need to be highly functional at my job. Perfectly timed rips everytime! It also cools down the vapor thanks to the percolator holes which provides an extremely tasty, flavorful hit. I coughed a ton when using the omicron/persei before. It was almost unbearable and I found myself combusting medication with less throat irritation. i have multiple respiratory issues, but I found myself coughing for 30 minutes after a single hit. A combination of loading the cartridges incorrectly and the pre-filled ones I purchased were filled incorrectly as well. I was applying waaaay too much heat when filling the cartridges and burning the seals up which wreaked havoc on my throat/lungs. After reading OF's multiple instructionals I started holding the cartridges 3/4 of the way down and making sure when filling it did not get too hot to touch. it improved the flavor drastically and reduced the coughing attacks by half. After getting the nibbler x the persei is something I can use with very little throat/lung irritation. I love this device. A couple of Nibble X tips/tricks:
1. I usually leave the metal nibbler x bottom ring on my persei and remove the nibbler off that ring as opposed to sliding the whole unit off at once. This prevents the water being sucked into the cartridge during removal.
2. If water does get into the cartridge just wait for it to cool down and then tip it upside to drain and/or blow into the top a few times.
3. Go to a RiteAid or Walgreens and buy a blunt syringe. It makes adding the perfect amount of water a breeze. Some come with caps so you can fill them with water put the cap on and through it in your kit and be good to go.
4. A 20 second shake in a plastic bag with salt and rubbing alcohol keeps it clean and sparkly.
5. Build a stand for your Persei/Nibbler X if anything for piece of mind/swag.

Future mods:
1. My nibbler x sits slightly loose on the cartridge. Not terribly so but there is a noticeable wobble. i'm going to the hardware store today to try and find some slightly thicker o-rings to see if that improves it.
2. Is the Persei body magnetic? If it is I might mill a couple holes in the nibbler x bottom cap and add magnets to keep it better connected to the Persei.
3. Leather wrap for Persei body.





Stuff I'm waiting eagerly for:
-New Hercules
-1701 carts
-Iris





@ Ataxian More vape porn!!


thought id throw this up for those that just got their nibblerx.
i feel like these are some good tips

I would also have to disagree with the view point of the the nibblerx not playing a factor in cooling down the cartridge. When you buy the persei, the instructions advise you to keep hitting with the button unpressed to help cool down the cart. This is sound advice because what is essentially happening is the the your creating a vacuum so to speak, thus decreasing the initial pressure inside of the cart. Temperature has a direct relationship with pressure, according to Gay-Lussac's and Charles's gas Law, meaning that as pressure decreases the temperature does as well. With the nibblerX, it looks to me that the vacuum created through suction is not only on the inside of the cart but envelopes the outside of the cartridge as well, which would have a greater rate of decreasing pressure as well as decreasing temperature. I think this is what starts to happen once the button isnt in play anymore, so when you let go of the button to clear the nibbler of vapor, your helping cool the cart at a faster rate than if you were hitting the cart without the nibbler. Of course if you dont hit it to cool it down then the nibbler would act as an insulator; a poor insulator at that, being made of glass, but the water plays a role in absorbing the heat. I notice that after im done hitting the nibbler i see condensation going on for a few minutes after, suggesting that the water is slowly releasing the heat its absorbed from the cart, thus playing a factor in the cooling of the cart itself.
 

Atomsk

Floating In My Tin Can
thanks so much for all the info! its helping me out a loooot

Hey, it's no problem. There's very much a Pay-It-Forward attitude around here, so if you see any questions you can help answer that'd be awesome.

By the way, this is a bit of user knowledge that goes against the official instructions, but when you come to the section labeled PRE-OXIDIZING CARTRIDGES, you can skip it.

That section entails a step that helped prime the first gen cartridges. For the newer gen carts, it actually does more harm than good. You can get the newer ones off of PlanetVape and D9V & they do not have this problem so you can ignore Pre-oxidizing for a better experience.

Edit:
Finally ordering my NX tonight!

Definitely gonna check out MaxVapor's 3D design, find a pre-fabricated piece, or start a small woodwork project for a stand now that tipping it will be way more detrimental.

Have some ideas for those wishing to adapt NX to Bender, can't wait to try them out.
 

kindbeats

Terps Up, Temps Down
I've noticed that only one or two holes fire in the perc when using my Nibbler X. Anyone else having the same experience? It's still a massive improvement but for the price that it's listed at, I would think that all holes should function, no?

Edit: Again, let me stress that the Nibbler X working as is, is a complete game changer. Just found it odd that all of the percs aren't firing.
 
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ataxian

PALE BLUE DOT
It seems STL is the most common format for 3D printing slicer software that create the G-Code that actually drives the printer (from my limited rep-rap knowledge). I am in the Entertainment biz so I use Maya, Cinema 4D, and been learning Z-Brush lately. CAD programs may be better for this task, but I gotta stick with what I know!
I just sold my CNC machine.
We make more money designing than manufacturing.
Since I retired (54) I find it more lucrative to design in CAD with CNC ready files.
The 3D printing is cool like you do.
Some of our customers have our files we sell them printed with a 3D Printer.

It's cool to know that a designer medicates as I do with a PERSEI!
 

buster

New Member
whats goin on everybody. ive had an omicron for about a year now and just upgraded to the persei after G blessed us with the 42% off deal. ive been a lurker here for a minute but just decided to make an account because i figured you guys would be able to help answer a question i had. i havent had any problems using my 2.4 ohm carts, no clogging or leaking. i have been extremely satisfied, so i figured id take a stab at the 5 ohm carts since i hear thats the next step up. i knew they were a whole different beast after reading everything here. i thought i was being careful because i wouldnt hold the button for more than 6 seconds or anything like that. at first i got a few great hits, but that was it. after that there was little to no vapor production. i knew i didnt burn through the oil because i weigh all my carts before and after filling and i still had the 0.5 grams i had originally melted in. i have tried on two carts and both times i have had the exact same thing happen. am i just burning them out? the odd thing is that all though there is 0.5 grams in the cart, i took a peak down the cart real quick while pressing the button and could see the coil glowing (i dont think i should be seeing this). any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. thanks guys!
 
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DubCRider

Well-Known Member
Sounds like you need to melt down what you loaded. I'm guessing it was wax or thicker? You also want to use your 5ohm carts at 3.7v until you get ample clouds to be sure the cart is primed with oil before switching to 7.4v. If you still see the glow then your concentrate isn't melted down all the way. If you don't see a glow AND the cart isn't getting hot then you burned it out.

Welcome to the forum!
 

buster

New Member
thanks DubC! i appreciate that man! yeah, it is wax so its pretty thick. i didnt even know about using it at the 3.7v and then switchin it to the 7.4v. i will definitely try that out and see how it works. again, i appreciate it and will not be a stranger here!

edit: that absolutely solved the problem! i got her ripping now. i cant tell you how much i appreciate that!:tup:
i know its been said many times but, thank you delta 9 for making such an amazing product! i have had several other vaporizers but non that are up to par with your guys products. cant wait for everything that you guys have in the works!
 

ataxian

PALE BLUE DOT
i know its been said many times but, thank you delta 9 for making such an amazing product! i have had several other vaporizers but non that are up to par with your guys products. cant wait for everything that you guys have in the works!
Welcome to the forum!
 
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OF

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This is sound advice because what is essentially happening is the the your creating a vacuum so to speak, thus decreasing the initial pressure inside of the cart. Temperature has a direct relationship with pressure, according to Gay-Lussac's and Charles's gas Law, meaning that as pressure decreases the temperature does as well. With the nibblerX, it looks to me that the vacuum created through suction is not only on the inside of the cart but envelopes the outside of the cartridge as well, which would have a greater rate of decreasing pressure as well as decreasing temperature.

Interesting idea, and true enough in the right cases, but this isn't one of those cases. This is not a sealed system. The pressure doesn't really change in any meaningful way. For gas laws to apply you need a pressure change. Otherwise there's a different number of molecules inside representing the temperature difference. To get a pressure change you have to hold the volume and number of molecules constant with the temperature changes or the excess 'just vents away'.

You're simply not creating any significant vacuum because there's a leak in the system.....not that humans are capable of a significant vacuum in such cases even with a sealed system. There's too much surface on our diaphragms to get anything useful here.

Thermodynamics seems to say the insulation improves with the Nibbler X so less cooling is happening, not more.

OF
 

druminfected

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simple tip for nibbler, keep MP covered with one pressed finger while removing.
remove slowly. should fix 90% of issues. will try to shoot some video tomorrow

Figured that would work, but didnt have time to look for a bunk cart to test it put on. I look forward to another great tutorial vid bob! I still need to upload my reclaim oil vid I made still to show people.
 
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friedbanana8

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Interesting idea, and true enough in the right cases, but this isn't one of those cases. This is not a sealed system. The pressure doesn't really change in any meaningful way. For gas laws to apply you need a pressure change. Otherwise there's a different number of molecules inside representing the temperature difference. To get a pressure change you have to hold the volume and number of molecules constant with the temperature changes or the excess 'just vents away'.

You're simply not creating any significant vacuum because there's a leak in the system.....not that humans are capable of a significant vacuum in such cases even with a sealed system. There's too much surface on our diaphragms to get anything useful here.

Thermodynamics seems to say the insulation improves with the Nibbler X so less cooling is happening, not more.

OF

Yeah you got me there. i was thinking about a straw, but this system is different in that it has a leak like you said. i still think that the water does improve cooling. Correct me if im wrong, but doesnt water absorbs heat better than air, and solids better than both, according to thermodynamics? This in combination with the fact that solids cool down faster than water or air, so its eagerly willing to release that heat absorbed, Thus the heat is absorbed by the glass which makes contact with the water and since water is the more inviting source to receive that heat rather than air, then wouldnt the cartridge be able to release that heat at a faster rate with water surrounding it? i've only studied the first law of thermodynamics in a general sense. We were discussing thermochemistry as a part of the broader field of thermodynamics. We have yet to discuss the other 2 laws; not until i get into general chem part 2 next semester. Im right now in part 1 general chem. I appreciate you setting me straight on the gas laws. i have a test next week so thats a good sign that i need to review the section a bit more.
 

TommydCat

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WTF you folks smoking? LOL

If you pull the Nibbler X off with the metal piece in the bottom, you're definitely creating a vacuum inside as you displace the volume of the cartridge with air at least partially drawn through the mouthpiece cause water to backflow into the inner chamber. Pretty simple - the bottom should pop off very easily (but not so easily it just falls off - which is the problem I first had) - work the rings in until it doesn't grip so hard. I've never had a water issue if the bottom pops out while removing the glass.

Now, on my Bender, the bottom fits in very very tightly so much that it feels awkward trying to press it back in (like you're risking cracking the glass).

Speaking of Bender, do you use the cotton? (Makes it a bit harder to stir) I'd actually prefer knocking out the web and using an Arizer elbow screen since it already fits that size and catches everything. Yes, I know it's stainless steel and not glass, but grinding anything that's fairly dry seems to suck up crumbs without the cotton.
 

friedbanana8

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WTF you folks smoking? LOL

If you pull the Nibbler X off with the metal piece in the bottom, you're definitely creating a vacuum inside as you displace the volume of the cartridge with air at least partially drawn through the mouthpiece cause water to backflow into the inner chamber. Pretty simple - the bottom should pop off very easily (but not so easily it just falls off - which is the problem I first had) - work the rings in until it doesn't grip so hard. I've never had a water issue if the bottom pops out while removing the glass.

Now, on my Bender, the bottom fits in very very tightly so much that it feels awkward trying to press it back in (like you're risking cracking the glass).

Speaking of Bender, do you use the cotton? (Makes it a bit harder to stir) I'd actually prefer knocking out the web and using an Arizer elbow screen since it already fits that size and catches everything. Yes, I know it's stainless steel and not glass, but grinding anything that's fairly dry seems to suck up crumbs without the cotton.

People were saying that the nibblerx helps cool down the cartridge, and some people disagreed. Im with the ones that agree. When i go to touch the 5.0ohm cart after hitting it by itself for 10 seconds straight its hot to the point where i can barely touch it and then i have to wait about a minute for it to cool down again. With the nibblerX i feel that it doesnt reach that temperature and it cools down faster. Of course im human and im high as fuck after that hit, so my mind could be playing tricks on me i admit, but after giving it some thought i felt i had an argument going with the gas laws, but my answer was debunked by OF. That vacuum effect that you are referring to would only last for as long as the split second it takes you to pop that thing off and at that point you would no longer have the nibblerX on the cartridges hottest point, so there wouldnt be all that much of a difference in heat release.

EDIT: Oh and im smoking some gooooood shit; california knows how to party
 
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