Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

[toros23]

I started with around .9 and a friend told me I was nuts. The taste was not so great and was not getting good vapor. Melted it all out and just loaded .5 of the same stuff back into the same cart and performance and taste was much improved. Then loaded another .3 and all is well.

If you are loading more than .8 or .9 to start with, you might want to rethink it. I was also advised to heat the sides of the cart to make sure everything melts down. Might be a good idea to wait for others with more experience to chime in.

 

[OF]

.4ohm carts and extra mouthpieces. I got them and loaded 1 with co2 oil and 1 with a dry flaky wax... Both of these were hitting with thinner vapor... They would hit though, just took more inhale time and draws. I then loaded 1 with a wax that was really waxy.. and 1 with a nectar wax that was somewhat crumbly.. Both these melted down into the carts ok but, they took about a day to even start producing vapor. And ever since it has always been very thin after maybe 30-60 seconds of trying to prime the carts(more than needed with the shatter).

Howdy, welcome to the Forum. Sorry you're having problems.

It sure sounds to me like you've got a loading problem. Specifically I think the cart is too cold when the goods melt down. Barely melted concentrate is hitting a cold tube and stalling out with an air bubble under it (and the wicks basically dry). It should not be taking more than a few seconds to get going, otherwise it's dry burns?

You can try remelting it in the cart, I've had some success with that but it's also a good way to overheat the seals and loose them. To do that, hold the bottom 1/3 or so of the cart in your fingertips and keep it upright and rolling back and forth as you heat the center to 2/3 point with your lighter as best you can. You want it plenty hot, up past the point of fumes coming off the top perhaps, but keep the part under your fingers where the seals are (the first 1/2 inch of the cart) cool enough to comfortably hold onto.

To avoid this, when loading, carefully and fully heat the center section before moving up to the funnel and the load. You want the center to the the hottest part of the cart. Done right you should feel the hot oil drop down to the bottom through your fingertips. This way the liquid oil soaks into the wicks before cooling the first time and is ready to feed on the first hit.

You'll like Persei I think, but it's not magic. Electrically it's the same deal to the cart. You'll still need to get a well loaded cart to make it go well.

Best wishes,

OF

 

[Atomsk]

Thinking about purchasing a Hercules cart off a guy on CraigsList, but he says he doesn't have the receipt. He says he got it from Warp9 (which is another name for Delta9?) and I was wondering if anyone knew how that would work out in terms of getting the replacement Herc parts? Would I qualify for them or not?

ataxian, that is a genius set up, I have a couple of those female adapter pieces from my DIY Mason Jar rig, I might just do that when I get my Hercules. I love how you can use your ashcatcher for both Bender and Hercules.

Anyone with a nibbler x think it would be really worth just waiting for it D9V to ship?

Speaking as someone who does not own a NibblerX but who utilizes a tubing waterpath, I have to say you should stick w/ NX. Not only is it intended for the Omicron carts with safe use in mind, it's terribly convenient comparatively and pure glass is the best way to taste your vape. If ease of use, quality, and aesthetics are big on your needs list, NX is the way to go.

Thanks for the quick reply. I have tried anywhere from .5-1g. How much do you load?

I agree w/ toros23, keep it under .6 at all times. That amount is recommended by G and you can track it by weighing your cart out before fill.

I've been getting results loading .5-.6, using a mini-torch with the flame almost touching the cart starting at the top of the first 1/3 of the cart then moving upwards to the fill tool. You never want the cart so hot you can't touch it, this'll ruin the seals.

Once you have the initial load go down the fill tool, let it sit and cool for a couple of minutes, then come back and repeat the heating step just in case anything is stuck on the sides. Let it sit again for a couple minutes so that all the wax has time to pool and harden in to the ceramic bowl.

After that, I try to draw from the cart. If you find resistance, which is normally the case, just draw very gently until it snaps and provides airflow. After I have airflow, I start vaping and the draw improves each time. If you find it still has heavy resistance, don't be afraid to hold the button down a little longer on your 2.4's. I've held for up to 12 seconds without leakage. Once you hit about .3 in your cart you'll want to load another .3. Good luck.

 

[OF]

After that, I try to draw from the cart. If you find resistance, which is normally the case, just draw very gently until it snaps and provides airflow. After I have airflow, I start vaping and the draw improves each time. If you find it still has heavy resistance, don't be afraid to hold the button down a little longer on your 2.4's. I've held for up to 12 seconds without leakage. Once you hit about .3 in your cart you'll want to load another .3. Good luck.

Excellent advice, IMO. Once you have the wicks wet heating with 2.4s is pretty safe indeed. A 'perfect load' can get oil all the way though the system, causing minor flooding in the furnace body (the pull resistance). Nice if you get it, but not necessary as long as there's no trapped air below the load.

The reheating is a good idea, provided you don't over do it.

It's one of those things that becomes easy and natural once you figure it out. Just think about what you're trying to do.

Regards,

OF

 

[ataxian]

Hello all!
First time posting on FC. I have done lots and lots (months) of reading however, and love the knowledge base that resides here. I come here for seeking advice and some reassurance. Not sure if I will succeed but I shall try.

About a month ago I purchased my omicron v2 and was unfortunately sold a display model from a local head shop (didn't think much of it at the time). I loaded the cart it came with, which i believe had been dry fired a hundred times in demo. I loaded that with a shatter which produced mild vapor and EXCELLENT flavor, the effect was also great once i got enough vapor out of the cartridge. That continued for about 2 weeks when the cart seal failed and started sucking concentrate back up the air hole... bummer (haven't reclaimed because i wasn't sure if the bad seal had ruined the concentrate, it tasted really bad after the seal went)

Any who, I had already ordered a 5 pack of 2.4ohm carts and extra mouthpieces. I got them and loaded 1 with co2 oil and 1 with a dry flaky wax... Both of these were hitting with thinner vapor... They would hit though, just took more inhale time and draws. I then loaded 1 with a wax that was really waxy.. and 1 with a nectar wax that was somewhat crumbly.. Both these melted down into the carts OK but, they took about a day to even start producing vapor. And ever since it has always been very thin after maybe 30-60 seconds of trying to prime the carts(more than needed with the shatter). The other cartridge was DOA. Soooo I am feeling like i just tied up over 200 dollars in carts that barely even get me medicated, after trying for 10-20 minutes sometimes and switching carts and whatnot... I am not by any means an expert with concentrates, but am generally very quick at learning the ins and outs of all new things i have tried. I just feel more discouraged by the day, to say the least.. And yes I have talked to G, and watched all videos and read all instructions on how to load and use the device I have!!!

Anyways I have already ordered a Persei off the website because i have seen and heard much greater success stories with these units vs the omicrons. So I am just exhausted and trying to gather info on what type of vapor i could produce with which type of materials and also which type of rigs (ie persei vs omicron, Diff voltages and Cartridges for flavor and vapor) What I am ultimately looking for is to preserve flavor and get a good vapor production so i don't need to take so many long thin draws to get the same effect. I swear I have read lots and have picked up bits and pieces, but after just dropping over 200 I am hesitant to order anything else with out some sound advice or some enticing evidence... Soooo I would really appreciate any input that is coming from experienced and satisfied users of this product. Sorry for talking on and on...

P.S. I am really waiting on the Hercules V2 as I feel that will solve my problems with the carts.. maybe

Sorry about your struggles!

I was very unhappy with my PERSEI the first two months I owned it.
It comes with the 5.0 cart which runs on the 2 x 18350 setup or 7.4V.
Not knowing any better I loaded $70.00 of PURE GOLD in it.
At first it tasted so good I was stoked.
However the next day I had a leaky cart and the taste was horrible!
I went on this site looking for answers.
This gentleman who goes by the Avatar "OF" coached me through the correct way to handle my PERSEI and got me using the 2.4 carts and the 1 x 18650 battery setup.
I was so pleased that I bought a second PERSEI so I could configure various medical needs.
Batteries I knew nothing about until members on this site taught me.
Carts? I now use the 5.0 without issue however the 2.4's work really well for me and are still my personal favorites.

The BENDER has become my ROLLS ROYCE of VAPORIZERS.

There is a learning curve and when it effects your pocket book it hurts.

I'm having a lot of success with my set ups however their are many who still struggle.
I feel bad for them however once you connect with the system it grows on you!
These are my typical medicines for my system:

 

[U.P. TECH]

HERE YEE HERE YEE!!!!!!!!

G is out sick, but he left us a message of good news. For all the OG persei users-owners(none serial numbered) Delta9vapes will be exchanging the non-numbered heads/tops with the newest tops. Also these owners will receive a $30 store credit which can be used towards any item on Delta9vapes site..

1. you need to send in your top(s) with your tube.
2. include your contact info(complete)
3. Include online account info(email) for store credit


Any questions you guys have, please call the office and ask for Gary in customer service. 818-849-6133

 

[TommydCat]

Just ordered a Nibbler-X and some other goodies!

Does D9/UP have any sort of program for folks with the Omi 2.0 top? Basically the only thing stopping me from going the route with the new 3.7v battery kit + HVD instead of selling it (for the money, I'd rather get a second Persei if I get stuck with a current-limiting top)

 

[friedbanana8]

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Excellent advice, IMO. Once you have the wicks wet heating with 2.4s is pretty safe indeed. A 'perfect load' can get oil all the way though the system, causing minor flooding in the furnace body (the pull resistance). Nice if you get it, but not necessary as long as there's no trapped air below the load.

The reheating is a good idea, provided you don't over do it.

It's one of those things that becomes easy and natural once you figure it out. Just think about what you're trying to do.

Regards,

OF

just bookmarked this page, There is a lot of good info in these last couple posts!

 

[Bob Loblaw]

yea, i hope for OF's sake he has that all down somewhere he can just copy paste. this is a frequent and informative post

 

[OF]

yea, i hope for OF's sake he has that all down somewhere he can just copy paste. this is a frequent and informative post

Nay, not so. If you look closely, each answer is spontaneous and unrehearsed. Seems those with questions won't get organized and ask the exact same ones and giving an answer 'close enough' (IMO) only results in more questions.

Much easier for at least one of us this way I think?

OF

 

[ataxian]

For those who have a hard time with the carts:
Keep to the BLONDES!
Can't do FLOWERS tonight, however at moments like these the PERSEI never fails me.
This WAX doesn't hurt either!
2.4 cart at 3.5 volts.
0.5 grams 0.2 gram additions

 

[MaxVapor]

That continued for about 2 weeks when the cart seal failed and started sucking concentrate back up the air hole...

I have found there are 2 types of leaks/clogs.

#1. Bottom failure. This is when the seal (made of rubber) that closes the bottom of the cart gets melted. Usually this is caused by getting the bottom too hot during loading, or just running it too long/hot when hitting. In these cases you will usually get some (or a lot) of sticky residue on the bottom of the cart and the electrical contact from the battery (depending on how thin the oil is) . Sometimes I have found that the leak is small and being careful not to heat too much will allow me to continue using the cart, but usually need to clean after each use (see below). Often though the cart is ruined once this happens.

#2. Flue clog. This is when too much oil gets drawn through the heater and some (or a lot) gets up into the flue that the vapor comes up in. Often it's just a little and a gentle pull can pop it (thus referred to a "pop clog"). This generally does not ruin the cart, and once cleaned (if necessary) can be avoided by drawing slower when taking hits/using thicker concentrate.

** WARNING: BE GENTLE WHEN FOLLOWING THESE PROCEDURES **

Cleaning, (Vitollo and OF can take credit as these methods are theirs I believe) If a few gentle pulls won't pop the clog I use a sewing needle with pointy end stuck in cork. For bottom clog heat the eye end of the needle and gently insert it about .5 inch into the bottom hole of the cart. Gently pull it back out sort of scraping the sides with the eye as you do. Heat the needle to melt whatever stuck to it, wipe it off, and repeat until the inside feels clear. For flue clog use the same procedure (down the flue from the top) and very gently push the needle down until it won't go further. I get the needle good and hot for this as it will melt some of the concentrate back down into the heater. I usually get a big rip just after performing this.

Taking some care not to be rough, I have never ruined a cart with these techniques.

 

[StepInToSpace]

HERE YEE HERE YEE!!!!!!!!

G is out sick, but he left us a message of good news. For all the OG persei users-owners(none serial numbered) Delta9vapes will be exchanging the non-numbered heads/tops with the newest tops. Also these owners will receive a $30 store credit which can be used towards any item on Delta9vapes site..

1. you need to send in your top(s) with your tube.
2. include your contact info(complete)
3. Include online account info(email) for store credit


Any questions you guys have, please call the office and ask for Gary in customer service. 818-849-6133

So what is better with the newest tops? Other than being new, is there any reason to upgrade heads?

 

[OF]

Cleaning, (Vitollo and OF can take credit as these methods are theirs I believe) If a few gentle pulls won't pop the clog I use a sewing needle with pointy end stuck in cork.

It's Vito's fault! He said it first (even if he did use alcohol at first) and the cork is his idea.....I'm using a pin vice.

I also use a 'sailmaker's needle' (larger sewing shops have them, often as one of several in a set, to sew canvas). They're bigger in diameter and longer than the ones the wife uses to sew buttons back on.

I also pull the needle out and wipe it clean and put it back a few times until it comes up clean.

You can also use copper wire, but where's the fun in that (although a piece of it in my wallet has bailed me out a few times).

OF

 

[tharealmclovin]

Any word on the Hercules replacement heater cores?? How is testing going???

 

[khof]

Just got my nibbler x in the mail! It is awesome, it makes the Persei a whole new device!!!!! I have one question for other nibbler x owners though...are there 2 inner o-rings on the metal attachment part and 2 outer o-rings? Mine came with 2 on the outside but only 1 on the inside and it makes the nibbler x kind of floppy when attached. If anyone could check I would greatly appreciate it! Also, the 1.5 cartridges I ordered seem to have been re-design. When you look down through the top the little bridge piece now extends sideways as opposed to just vertically across.

 

[OF]

I have one question for other nibbler x owners though...are there 2 inner o-rings on the metal attachment part and 2 outer o-rings? Mine came with 2 on the outside but only 1 on the inside and it makes the nibbler x kind of floppy when attached. If anyone could check I would greatly appreciate it!

Yes, mine has two inside, about where you'd expect them. I'm sure if you ask D9 will send it to you?

OF

 

[ataxian]

Just got my nibbler x in the mail! It is awesome, it makes the Persei a whole new device!!!!!

Just when I thought that I got it all dialed I have more things to get!

The "NIBBLER" looks like a really nice addition to the PERSEI!

 

[khof]

Just when I thought that I got it all dialed I have more things to get!

The "NIBBLER" looks like a really nice addition to the PERSEI!

IMO it's almost a necessity. 1.5/2.4 carts taste amazing with the nibbler x attachment!!!!

 

[khof]

Whatever happened to this:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-universe-adapter-for-herbs-and-concentrates.5772/page-34

 

[Jayslc]

Howdy, welcome to the Forum. Sorry you're having problems.

It sure sounds to me like you've got a loading problem. Specifically I think the cart is too cold when the goods melt down. Barely melted concentrate is hitting a cold tube and stalling out with an air bubble under it (and the wicks basically dry). It should not be taking more than a few seconds to get going, otherwise it's dry burns?

You can try remelting it in the cart, I've had some success with that but it's also a good way to overheat the seals and loose them. To do that, hold the bottom 1/3 or so of the cart in your fingertips and keep it upright and rolling back and forth as you heat the center to 2/3 point with your lighter as best you can. You want it plenty hot, up past the point of fumes coming off the top perhaps, but keep the part under your fingers where the seals are (the first 1/2 inch of the cart) cool enough to comfortably hold onto.

To avoid this, when loading, carefully and fully heat the center section before moving up to the funnel and the load. You want the center to the the hottest part of the cart. Done right you should feel the hot oil drop down to the bottom through your fingertips. This way the liquid oil soaks into the wicks before cooling the first time and is ready to feed on the first hit.

You'll like Persei I think, but it's not magic. Electrically it's the same deal to the cart. You'll still need to get a well loaded cart to make it go well.

Best wishes,

OF

I loaded .8 of wax In a 5 ohm cart hit awesome bug only lasted 3 days. I thought I would get alot more out of that considering how expensive it is. Does the 5 ohm not last as long as 2.4? Any suggestion would help

 

[OF]

I loaded .8 of wax In a 5 ohm cart hit awesome bug only lasted 3 days. I thought I would get alot more out of that considering how expensive it is. Does the 5 ohm not last as long as 2.4? Any suggestion would help

One of the reasons we keep recommending 2.4s is just that, modest stable feed. It's easier to control things than any of the other combinations, and yet you can, with skill, get lots of vapor from them on demand.

On average I'd say 3mg hits are typical. 300 to the gram. If I push it a bit and go for heavy hits I run more like .005 to the hit, 200 to the gram.

Most guys find a few to say a dozen hits is a good session, but it you're used to dabbing tenths (or more) on a nail it's going to take a lot of hits for the job.

There's nothing really magic about the vape, they can't invent THC where there is none. The best we can hope for is effective delivery of what THC is in there. That comes, I think, from two routes. First, little or no waste (leaks and the like) and secondly not delivering it at a rate faster than you can absorb it.....where 2.4s excel I think.

It's also important to remember there's still about .2 grams 'caught' in that cart, you only vaped maybe .6. Over 3 days, that's .2 per. What's your normal usage?

At any rate, I suggest you back it off a notch or two to 2.4s until you master the delivery of just the sort of hit level you want?

Best of luck,

OF

 

[Atomsk]

I loaded .8 of wax In a 5 ohm cart hit awesome bug only lasted 3 days. I thought I would get alot more out of that considering how expensive it is. Does the 5 ohm not last as long as 2.4? Any suggestion would help

Is it no longer heating? Is it leaking? If you can expand upon what you mean about it not lasting we can help you more.

With 5 ohms my most general guesses are either you held the button too long or that the cart probably burned out from an air bubble that let it heat without wax being fed / that the wax was running low and not enough was being fed. If these carts dry burn too long they're ruined, and with the 5ohm at 7.4v it's an easy mistake to make.

Was there any reclaim left in the cart? Were you using it heavily and holding the button down longer than 5 seconds without increasing airflow?

These are expensive products and you load them with expensive goods, so you gotta be careful. The Omicron carts have a learning curve and the 5 ohm is where that curve is set.

Try using 2.4's w/ 3.7v until you have a feel for how this system works. It's the advice I was given by OF and I'm glad I took it. Once you know what these things are capable of and how they function correctly, you can start playing around. Gotta know the rules in order to break them, ya know?

After you understand how your errl is being vaped, you can start doing it in ways that suit you without losing a cart. For instance, atm I'm using a 2.4ohm cart at 7.4v and because I'm doing it correctly and carefully, it's been hitting great for two weeks.

 

[friedbanana8]

I loaded .8 of wax In a 5 ohm cart hit awesome bug only lasted 3 days. I thought I would get alot more out of that considering how expensive it is. Does the 5 ohm not last as long as 2.4? Any suggestion would help

yeah that was my experience as well. i just got a persei a couple weeks back. i was told that the 2.4ohm carts are the best for beginners and so i ordered some and am still waiting on them to arrive. My understanding is that the 5.0ohm cart burned out, which easily occurs at 7.4 volts unless you know what you're doing. With experience you might be able to master the 5.0ohm, but from what ive read, the 2.4ohm are the best to start out with

the great thing about the persei is that you can hook up the double cartridgle head and really rip it

 

[OF]

With experience you might be able to master the 5.0ohm, but from what ive read, the 2.4ohm are the best to start out with

the great thing about the persei is that you can hook up the double cartridgle head and really rip it

To quibble with you just a bit, I'd say you will be able to master the 5.0 cart. At least you should if you stick with it. It's a skill set. As adults we learn such things one step at a time, building one skill on top of the last until you can play the piano. To hit the powerful carts to their potential without burning your oil or wrecking the cart (both plenty easy to do) you have to get some other stuff on autopilot.

Put another way, if you can learn to drive a car and talk to a passenger you can do this too.....if you stay straight enough.....

Otherwise, yup, I think 2.4s are the call and the double head is fun. At first it can be a challenge to get two carts performing the same, but that too becomes easier once you master the system. It's also harder, of course, to foul up two 2.4s than a 5.0 (basically the same power each time).

OF