Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.
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ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
handsdampf:g G
Wow!
What a difference!
Just took 3 strains and mixed them = {BUBBA KUSH; CACTUS COOLER; BIG SUR HOLY WEED}
LOADED the HERCULES
SWEET OMG "It WORKS"!
I can't do it again because my wife say's I smell like POT!
PURE GOLD with the SHORTY until I give the HERCULES another go.
Tomorrow I can test the 2 grams of DTT OG HASH waiting to enter the HERC Chamber.
One thing is for sure I'm medicated beyond need!
I have two of these?
Smoke Shop Stir Stick!
friedbanana8
Well-Known Member
I just got mine yesterday and i was having the same problem. It would work with bud kinda, but the oil wouldnt vape at all. I had seen a video of a person just putting the herb in around the rod, so i knew how to do that, but I had no idea where to put the wax. After searching all over the place for instructions on how to do this, i just decided to try putting it inside the the little cartridge that came inside my 7.4 hercules. I didnt vape at all and the wax wasnt melting either; i tried it with the lid on and off. So i was pretty fustrated looking for info on how to use the hercules, as its no easy task to find information on the hercules. I then decided to throw in the rest of my wax into a 5.0ohm cartridge that was provided along with the instruction on how to do so. It would vape a little, but only near invisible clouds. This morning, i decided to give it another try, and again no vapes, then the blue button started to flash, which i had read on vaporpedia meant it was low on charge. so i plugged it in to charge and 6 hours later tried again and now its vaping. I havent tried the hercules yet as im insanely high off just two hits from the 50hm cartridge; ima wait a little to retry the hercules.
As you can see most of the information i required for using the product was attained anywhere else but the vendor. They should provide an instruction booklet for us inexperienced folk. Im new to vaping is all i got to say and it should be taken into consideration when selling a product that people will not know how to use something they've never used before, dont ya think? just before posting this was the first time i read any information on how to fill the little cartridge... post
. The first thing that popped into my head when i bought the hercules was " where the hell is the instruction booklet," i thought somebody had jacked me for it lol as the box looked a little worn. On a side note, when using the 5.0ohm cartridge, i instantly here a sizzling noise when i press the button. is that normal????
friedbanana8
Well-Known Member
i just got a trophy because bob loblaw liked my message... lol damn i feel so special now, IM THE KING OF THE WORLD!
Atomsk
Floating In My Tin Can
So you're saying the Herc, with just wax, gives off that heavy pot reek that stays in your clothes?
Anyone want to weigh in on how many hits the Herc gives with .3 wax?
Also, if you don't have a Hammertop, do you have to manually hold down the button the entire time you're using the Hercules?
Yeah, I agree that D9 needs to get it together in terms of instruction pamphlets. A lot of time goes in to R&D there should be just as much time equating how to use what they've developed. I guess that's what FC is for in the mean time.
As to your sizzle, it may be some air bubbles, but more likely it's your concentrate. The sizzle is probably due to a bad purge; butane (if that's how your wax was made) escaping. It's normal in that respect.
To your other troubles vaping: The 5 ohm is the easiest to get working IMO. What's hard is knowing how to keep it working. Sounds like you just had air flow issues w/ the first time you tried your 5ohmer. When you heat the carts, it's best to start from the bottom third of the cart upwards.
For the Herc, you're supposed to put the wax in the cylindrical cartridge that comes off just below the delrin mouth piece. From what I gather, you have to give it about a minute to heat up. Should be working great after that.
friedbanana8
Well-Known Member
Yeah thanks for the tip bro, ill make sure to do that when i fill my next cartridge. its got a learning curve to it, but ill probably have it down in 2-3 cartridges. Its hitting great now, the sizzling sort of stood out to me. So will such a substance cause any damage to the persei itself? Or am i good to go?
And are you saying you DONT have to put it in the little pop out cartridge with a lid; i think its called a tank?
TommydCat
Well-Known Member
This is the sort of number that should be "down to x" instead of "up to x", imo..
Atomsk
Floating In My Tin Can
There's definitely a curve, and it's hard to find since you don't know how proper airflow in the carts is supposed to feel. If you're having a little trouble removing the initial clog from loading, try warming up the center a bit and pulling gently from the top.
The damage w/ indecently purged concentrate occurs mostly to your body, butane isn't great to inhale. A bad purge may also indicate plant matter in your wax and that would be what damages the Persei, or namely, any Omicron cartridge you fill with that wax. Over time the plant matter ruins the silica wick. This is a problem the Hercules solves as you don't necessarily need clean-burning wax, it does everything with little to no complaint.
I am, in fact, saying that you do load the wax (& also hash?) in to the tank. You load about .3 per tank, pop it back in to the heater, then let the Herc heat up for a minute. A minute is what G said to do in the Hercules testing vid.
Fully agree. I'd rather have a baseline number as well. Not the most hits ever achieved, but the average you should receive given the wax is the grade you'd want to use in the Omicron carts.
This number does depend on user, how long and hard you puff on Herc. Anyone wanna do some good research in the name of science and measure how many hits they can take from .3 wax where:
1) The suction involved can be rated at "gentle-to mild." The same suction you might use for drinking through a straw.
2) The time per draw is from 5-7 seconds.
3) The wax used is well purged and is the consistency suggested for Omicron carts.
4) The test subject remembers the hit count and does not, instead, get completely enthralled in two episodes of Sponge Bob (hey, it happens).
Had me scared for a second, buddy!
You and your ash catcher have single-handedly convinced me to pick up a Bender asap. But what do you mean complete or not?
OF
Well-Known Member
I know this will not sit well with some, and for sure it's not conventional wisdom, but I just don't think the above statement is really all that accurate. The stuff is just not that dangerous:
"This product is considered to be non-toxic by inhalation. Inhalation of concentrations of about 10,000
ppm may cause central nervous system depression such as dizziness, drowsiness, headache, and
similar narcotic symptoms, but no long-term effects."
http://www.hovensa.com/pdf/butane.pdf
If you look into it a bit, you'll find out Butane is the number one abused gas in the UK. Seems they don't sniff glue there like good little juvenile delinquents here, instead they huff truly heroic levels of the stuff to no permanent ill effects. Toxic concerns have to do mostly with asphyxiation. IMO the relatively trivial levels left in BHO aren't going to move the needle.
Note that 8 hours exposure to 1/10 of the intoxicating level is allowed. It's considered OK to live and work around it, breathing it normally, without ill effect.
I'm sure there will be other Members who strongly feel otherwise, but I suggest a bit of research might put some folks minds at ease?
OF
Atomsk
Floating In My Tin Can
Thanks for that, OF. I never did look in to it well, just assumed.
I agree with the above, but I'd like to add that butane content is still something you want to consider in your concentrates, whether you're shopping for cart-friendly oils, decent medicine, or just something to kick up the jazz in your day.
You shouldn't be paying a price for BHO-extracted wax if what's really giving you the effect is the butane used to extract the Thc/a, CBD/a, etc cannabinoids. In small to medium doses of butane side effects include euphoria, altered perception, & disassociation, which are similar effects to what you want from pot.
The question with badly purged concentrate is whether you want the high to come from the herb or the butane. If it's the latter, just buy some Ronsons and don't you dare smoke a J simultaneously.
druminfected
Well-Known Member
Can't wait to do my own personal tests to it as well! I've been saving up lots of goodies just for the new Hercules as well as different types to see how well it does with them all! Looks like full melt would even work in a Hercules I must say. D9V 4 life!
If you go to the delta9vape site, click on the tab that says "instructions" on that page they're PDF instructions for the D9V products to help you out
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
The Ash Catcher has put my water path on a new level of opulence!
The BENDER I enjoy to the all time max!
My daughter has me watching FUTURAMA Episodes with her.
The BENDER character I can relate to.
So funny!
I can get away with my stealthly way of medicating with my wax carts (2.4) no problem.
However the HERCULES with Flowers gets me so medicated and the taste is not as pleasant as it is with the BENDER.
My wife wonders why I smell like weed from the HERCULES?
WAX is awesome with the HERCULES.
Love the flavor profile in regards to wax.
Then again I don't know if it is completely rebuilt or do I have it Jury Rigged?
The shell is new however I'm using the core from the first batch.
I would not pass any judgement until all the parts are correct!
The HERCULES is powerful however I have not used a portable device that taste as good as the BENDER.
I'm so stoked on the BENDER that I wish I could just vape with it all day long.
Tomorrow or maybe before bed this evening the BENDER with the ASH CATCHER is the call!
Also I need to figure out the water fittings needed for the HERCULES.
In the meantime I will have a 2.4 cart set with .6 grams AFGANGOO Honeycomb Brittle with my SHORTY with a AW 18350 until I get a few thing sorted out!
OF
Well-Known Member
You're quite welcome, of course. I think we all tended to assume it's bad stuff. I got curious since it's a pretty common gas, really, so I looked into it. I'm for sure not saying to ignore it, and no doubt concentrates with it still dissolved are a bummer to use, I'm just saying I'm not sure we should fear it like we do?
I also disagree a bit with the 'small to medium doses' part. The effects above (the same 'makes you stupid' ones I cited further up) are happening at 10,000 PPM. That's a whole frigging percent! Nothing small or medium about that. That's a huge level to get those effects. Kids put plastic bags over their tiny little heads to get there. Grabbing this here handy envelope, turning to the blank back and taking pen in hand, let's say we seal up the ten by 12 foot room you're in? That's 8x10x12 or 960 Cubic Feet. At 1.2 ounces per, there's 1152 ounces of air in there, one percent would be 11.5 ounces, a little over a whole (big) can of Butane. The tiny fraction of a gram in poorly purged goods is trivial by this standard I think?
I think in small to medium doses (say even a few grams loose in the room with you) there's no practical effect at all.....even if your weed is really bunk.
OF
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
Just dropped the ASH CATCHER on my limestone floor!
Dang it!
Looks like the BENDER upside down on my BLACK LEAF BUBBLER until I get a new one.
I will rig some screens.
I was worried that my POLLEN PRESSED KIEF Flower Blend 1.8grams of a wasted energy.
However I discovered a way to use this well.
Here's my formula:
1. 0.175 gram POLLEN PRESSED Mixture
2. 0.500 gram TOP SHELF FLOWERS
Chop/Cut & Stir
Load mixture into BENDER
VAPE AWAY!
Careful because it's easy to become over medicated.
The YIELD is ridicules!
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
condolences on the breakage! glad it wasn't the bender
(as i'm sure it cost more)
i like mixing concentrate and herb.
(as i'm sure it cost more)
i like mixing concentrate and herb.
ataxian
PALE BLUE DOT
I'm a rookie having an amazing experience with all this gear!
Mixing is new and experimental!
Good thing the ASH CATCHER was cheap!
The BENDER is my baby!
friedbanana8
Well-Known Member
SO are we still waiting on the new hercules to be released, i just received mines a couple days ago, im wondering if i should have waited for the new version...
And for instructions i was talking about the hercules, they dont have any PDF for the hercules, all those PDF's that are under the "instruction" tab come with the actual persei unit, however the hercules does not come with any instructions at all
just realized i have ultrafire batteries.. not amr.
whats the difference between the two?
do the red batteries last longer? produce more vapor? or is it just a personal preference over the trustfire/ultrafire(idr which it is and im too lazy to check at the moment) Since ill be getting the herc when it comes out i'd like to know so i can order a couple batteries at the same time.
if it makes any difference towards answers i only use the shorty in the ss kit w. the one small battery or the med. from the ss kit w. 2 of the small batteries & a double top.
whats the difference between the two?
do the red batteries last longer? produce more vapor? or is it just a personal preference over the trustfire/ultrafire(idr which it is and im too lazy to check at the moment) Since ill be getting the herc when it comes out i'd like to know so i can order a couple batteries at the same time.
if it makes any difference towards answers i only use the shorty in the ss kit w. the one small battery or the med. from the ss kit w. 2 of the small batteries & a double top.
OF
Well-Known Member
You're welcome. FWIW I used to favor ETOH as a solvent (figuring I use a lot more for other uses.....) but lately have been using CO2 extracts. But BHO is safe from a Butane standpoint the way we use it I think. Past blowing up the neighborhood, of course, but that's a whole other topic I really no very little about (except to stay way way away.....).
Yes, they are much better for high power use. AW brand IMRs only if you're serious about it.
And thanks for the honesty, most guys just assume they're entitled I guess?
OF