Discontinued ThermoVape Evolution
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OF
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Of course you can be if you wish, but IMO there's noting to worry about. Delrin is the 'go to' plastic for serious uses for a very long time. It's exceedingly stable, inert and tolerant of abuses (heat, shock, electric discharge, solvents and so on). They machine automotive gears from the stuff. It has practical limits, it melts at something like 180 degrees C. Since the outside of the heater body can get hotter than that it's not going to be all that useful there, so they went to PTFE which is much softer but good to much higher temperatures than we need. The gas has cooled well below 180C before it gets to the Delrin mouthpiece. In fact, you can remove it and hit the PTFE part but it gets kinda warm after a bit. We're talking closer to 50C than anything else I bet.
Generally, Delrin is better for most of these sorts of parts. Better designs will use it unless there's a good reason to do otherwise.
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OF
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Congratulations, sounds like you've got the rules down pat. Yes the most you can get is 2.5 Amps at 6 Volts which is only 15 Watts. You'll probably get zero as many of these guys shut down as I understand it. Some just go to lowest voltage and sit. I forget what mine does, but one thing it doesn't do is work here.
Persei should do fine, V2 won't at least not until the upgrade is out. My favorite is the factory power supply. Rock simple, all the Amps the law allows.
OF
It looks like i missed this, sorry about that.
The cut-out im referring too is the one that only lets the device turn on for ~10 seconds. You can do it but you have to juggle keeping the core fired.
Tim
SnidelyWhiplash
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Arrrrr mine didnt show up with USPS, no 420 Santa for me 
Ill just be cryin-an-a-suckin on my solo. Hehehe.
Ill just be cryin-an-a-suckin on my solo. Hehehe.
OF
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Arrrrr mine didnt show up with USPS, no 420 Santa for me
Ill just be cryin-an-a-suckin on my solo. Hehehe.
Now Snidely, don't be that way. Try to be grateful for what we do have. People in China don't have TVs at all, ever. No chance of delivery next week, nothing to look forward to (although they may be making the solos..........).
OF
I just took my first 4/20 rip of the day, and I chose to do it with my brand spankin' new Evolution. One thing I love about these TV products is that they're so stupidly simple in their modular design. I'm no rocket scientist, but I quickly had my T1 cap off, realized that I need the thingie from my Revolution ("thingy" is a technical term that some of you lesser educated folks may not be aware of), screwed it on, then screwed on my Evolution. Less than a minute and I was ready to vape. I loosely packed a bowl and hit it. The free draw (less restriction than the T1 or a PD for example) threw me for a loop, but I figured out pretty quickly how get vapor about equal to the T1 and PD. I got more hits out of it than I expected (about 8 good rips) and the flavor was tasty for most of the load. I think it's actually easier to use than the T1 based on my initial impressions, so I give it two big 
so far.
More testing is obviously needed, so I've got some grinding and batt charging to do....
so far.More testing is obviously needed, so I've got some grinding and batt charging to do....
OF
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Great Stu. Testing here going great as well. I agree it's easy to get going and the 'no stir' part is nice as well. I'm not getting as many hits as you, but that's subjective.
I'm working on the LV version first, but it's mighty impressive. The Standard is supposed to be the same, only faster? How cool is that?
OF
I'm working on the LV version first, but it's mighty impressive. The Standard is supposed to be the same, only faster? How cool is that?
OF
For me, this device is easier to pull visible vapor from than the T1. I don't know why (seems counterintuitive to me), but it sure seems that way so far. Maybe it's just killer new bud that I picked up? I dunno.
Love the no-stir aspect, too. Towards the end of my bowl, the unit was getting very hot, especially on the chicken switch.
@OF, how do you load and unload yours? I don't have a good technique for loading and unloading so far, but I'm sure I'll figure something out.
Love the no-stir aspect, too. Towards the end of my bowl, the unit was getting very hot, especially on the chicken switch.
@OF, how do you load and unload yours? I don't have a good technique for loading and unloading so far, but I'm sure I'll figure something out.
OF
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I load from the palm of my off hand. Dump a big pinch in and scoop it up with the mouth. But I also tried a layer of bubble in the middle.....hint there, nod nod, wink wink....
I also found that swapping the battery between bowls for a cold one helped keep the handle cooler. I've even done it between hits. Just charge both when you're done if you can't keep track.....
OF
havealight101
Norski
OF, do you think that blue 18650(orig pers. Batt) is safe? I remember it was exnayed due to lack of double 2.4 configuration.
TIA
Happy Holidays to all! Happy to have a botanical vape again!
TIA
Happy Holidays to all! Happy to have a botanical vape again!
VAPORIZER22
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For the moment I am using a tooth pick to unload the bowl. Seems to work fairly well.
jambandphan03
in flavor country
Got my Evolution LV just as I had to go do some running around, and just now getting to sit down to try it out. I am attempting to run it on 3.7v (aw 16340 550mah) lil'chuck battery mod with no cut off. I scooped up some ground herb (sorry, don't have a way to weigh it), loosely filled the chamber, put the cap on and gave it about 10-12 sec warm up. Then started to very gently take a slow steady pull. I got a good burst of flavor, but almost no visible vapor. I am also using a piece of clear tube topped with my pureflow filter connected to the mouth piece. Visually, no vapor so far, but I have taken several pulls and can taste it, starting to feel it.
My first observation is that this is a device for people with patience, and not looking for big fat, impressive, milky hits. I noticed too that the white sleeve gets really loose as it heats up.
Decided to take the pureflow/clear tube off and just hit it with the original mouth piece for the remainder of this first load. Getting much stronger flavor, and more of a sense of vapor on the inhale with out the pureflow in line. I am definitely feeling the medication, and it is a slow creeper. This seems to me the most stealthy portable vape so far, due to the lack of clouds, but still getting medicated. Getting much stronger vaped taste now. The Evo is starting to get pretty warmed up now too. Starting to get some visible vapor on the exhale. The taste is just amazing, and it is reminiscent of hitting the solo on setting 3, only less restriction on the airflow. I am very impressed with how conservative it is.
Not sure how long of a battery life I should expect from these little AW batteries, but I just drained the first one with a fresh charge after a dozen or so 8-10 second pulls, and waiting on another one that is still charging. These may not be the right capacity batteries for this purpose.
So onto my ego style pass through battery. I am pumping the button about every 5 seconds, it is quick to heat up, and the button is getting hard to hold down due to the heat, but I am starting to get more visible vapor, and after another 5-6 pulls on the ego battery, the first load is finally starting to taste like popcorn, but is still not as dark as the abv I usually dump out of my solo stem after 5-6 pulls.
So I can see now why you might want to have the battery that comes with the kit, if it does not get too hot to hold the button long enough to make it through a single load. Ego style works, pumping the button, but it gets really hot being so close to the heating core, and being such a small body.
I might just have to get the actual battery that goes with this unit after all, but wanted to see how well it works with what I already have on hand before spending more money. I can also see that the Evolution stays hot for a bit after use. The plastic sleeve does keep it safe to touch, and buffers the heat quite a bit, but on bare skin, it feels pretty hot.
Dumped out the first load and it pretty evenly toasted, but not as dark as what I am used to dumping out of other vapes, there may still be some life left in that first load, and I am plenty medicated.
So I agree with the other posts, it is very deceiving at first. You don't get the full hit sensation, but soon after a few tries, the medication sets in, and I am very medicated off of what I used to load in my tiny one hitter when I was smoking, or about 1/2 of what I would load into the solo stem. Out of curiosity, I took off the plastic sleeve and just put my pureflow directly into the heat chamber. It works, but gets hot very fast. I would not recommend that it is used in this way, but had to try it out anyway.
Now that I have a feel for it, I am going to load it up again, and start out on the ego battery, and see how the results differ. I think the AW batteries I started with just didn't have quite enough power to fully run the Evolution at it's peak performance.
WOW, ok, yeah, that mod I started with did not have the juice behind it like this ego does. My first hit on a cold, fresh load, ego passthrough/battery was much more impressive than the first try with the lil'chuck. Good to know. Much stronger flavor, and more visible vapor, but still no clouds. I am getting plenty medicated though. Interesting little vape indeed. I'm going to go enjoy the rest of the second load... be back later.
My first observation is that this is a device for people with patience, and not looking for big fat, impressive, milky hits. I noticed too that the white sleeve gets really loose as it heats up.
Decided to take the pureflow/clear tube off and just hit it with the original mouth piece for the remainder of this first load. Getting much stronger flavor, and more of a sense of vapor on the inhale with out the pureflow in line. I am definitely feeling the medication, and it is a slow creeper. This seems to me the most stealthy portable vape so far, due to the lack of clouds, but still getting medicated. Getting much stronger vaped taste now. The Evo is starting to get pretty warmed up now too. Starting to get some visible vapor on the exhale. The taste is just amazing, and it is reminiscent of hitting the solo on setting 3, only less restriction on the airflow. I am very impressed with how conservative it is.
Not sure how long of a battery life I should expect from these little AW batteries, but I just drained the first one with a fresh charge after a dozen or so 8-10 second pulls, and waiting on another one that is still charging. These may not be the right capacity batteries for this purpose.
So onto my ego style pass through battery. I am pumping the button about every 5 seconds, it is quick to heat up, and the button is getting hard to hold down due to the heat, but I am starting to get more visible vapor, and after another 5-6 pulls on the ego battery, the first load is finally starting to taste like popcorn, but is still not as dark as the abv I usually dump out of my solo stem after 5-6 pulls.
So I can see now why you might want to have the battery that comes with the kit, if it does not get too hot to hold the button long enough to make it through a single load. Ego style works, pumping the button, but it gets really hot being so close to the heating core, and being such a small body.
I might just have to get the actual battery that goes with this unit after all, but wanted to see how well it works with what I already have on hand before spending more money. I can also see that the Evolution stays hot for a bit after use. The plastic sleeve does keep it safe to touch, and buffers the heat quite a bit, but on bare skin, it feels pretty hot.
Dumped out the first load and it pretty evenly toasted, but not as dark as what I am used to dumping out of other vapes, there may still be some life left in that first load, and I am plenty medicated.
So I agree with the other posts, it is very deceiving at first. You don't get the full hit sensation, but soon after a few tries, the medication sets in, and I am very medicated off of what I used to load in my tiny one hitter when I was smoking, or about 1/2 of what I would load into the solo stem. Out of curiosity, I took off the plastic sleeve and just put my pureflow directly into the heat chamber. It works, but gets hot very fast. I would not recommend that it is used in this way, but had to try it out anyway.
Now that I have a feel for it, I am going to load it up again, and start out on the ego battery, and see how the results differ. I think the AW batteries I started with just didn't have quite enough power to fully run the Evolution at it's peak performance.
WOW, ok, yeah, that mod I started with did not have the juice behind it like this ego does. My first hit on a cold, fresh load, ego passthrough/battery was much more impressive than the first try with the lil'chuck. Good to know. Much stronger flavor, and more visible vapor, but still no clouds. I am getting plenty medicated though. Interesting little vape indeed. I'm going to go enjoy the rest of the second load... be back later.
OF
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Only reason I can think is to have a stand alone vape or more batteries? You can run the Standard Evolution in your current unit, but you might be happier buying the adapter (switch housing) that's more smooth on the outside? There's a photo somewhere above of the unit seated inside the heat core body from the T1 (heat core and Evolution carts have the same threads).
OF
Peloton
Vapes Hard
Thanks for all the info. I'm interested to hear how using a bigger eGo passthrough works. What mAh is your passthrough battery, and is the Evo working via usb power through a computer or whatever?
OF
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IIRC right the problem with them was they had the over current protection cutting in when the load current went up? They were still safe but they'd shut down.
In general, protected batteries are safe. As are some of the chemical types (like NiCd, NiMHl, and the IMR series LiFe cells. The ones that blow up are unprotected LiIon cells, and generally in series packs as I understand it.
I did that too, works great. But I also found out if I don't load it too full I can just tap the mouth on a hard surface to knock it loose usually.
I think this is going to become a popular topic around here with some. We're pushing the technology here, guys. The e-cig guys never considered 20 Watt loads, they'd be thinking fire not smooth running. Typical maximum current numbers are like 2 and 2.5 Amps, half of what we want for the LV and still an Amp shy for the Standard. There's also the problem of traditionally regulating down to 3.3 Volts so e-cigs would hit the same as the battery discharged. V1 and V2 start here for instance, even with fresh charges. Under normal loads (say 2.4 Ohms) that sags even further down a bit, make that 1.5 Ohms and V2 is under 3.0 Volts. That's just not going to heat the unit right even if there's enough current available. IMO it's not even worth trying the V2 on the LV Evolution, it's sure to disappoint.
Persei is designed to address this, as I understand is the next version of V2. Also the TV units of course (although the smallest with it's 10440 with it's wimpy 350 mAh capacity is a non starter). I think as this goes forward more and more of us will be looking into this high power thing and upgrading hardware that's been an old friend up to now?
OF
havealight101
Norski
Thanks much, I'm about to do some solid testing. Will report once I get'er down.
jambandphan03
in flavor country
I think my ego is 900mah, if memory serves... at the very least it would be 600mah, I don't think there are ego batteries lower than 600mah out there as far as I know. Yes I have it connected to my computer via usb cable, but I don't think that is running it, it just trickle charges the battery as you use it. It DOES work, really well, if you don't mind a toasted thumb or finger from holding the button down once it heats up. I bit the bullet, and ordered a second EVO-LV KIT, to get the battery. I am that impressed after 2 loads with this thing, that I was willing to buy a second chamber and battery set up. It is not a cloud maker, it is a quiet, stealthy vape that medicates. I am curious now to see how the actual battery it is meant to be used with measures up compared to the ego I have or the mod that proved to not have the juice to run this thing for very long. I'll know in a few days.
QUESTION: will the body of the 3.7v Evolution also work with the 2- 3.0 batts making it 6v? I know better than to put my LV on a 6v, but would be nice if I can run my REV on the same battery. I opted for the 3.7 kit because I have the LV dart.
mmmmmmm hash sandwich sounds yummy, I think I'll give that a try, then off to bottle a batch of home brew...
What a good 4/20!! 
QUESTION: will the body of the 3.7v Evolution also work with the 2- 3.0 batts making it 6v? I know better than to put my LV on a 6v, but would be nice if I can run my REV on the same battery. I opted for the 3.7 kit because I have the LV dart.
mmmmmmm hash sandwich sounds yummy, I think I'll give that a try, then off to bottle a batch of home brew...
What a good 4/20!!
OF
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Eureka!
Now time for some more testing.... hash sandwitch style.
Damn, we missed some? I knew we should have checked under all them dirty socks......
Next time we'll know better.
Enjoy your snack.
Yes, no problem. Just be sure you get the right batteries for it. Btw, I'd get another 17670 battery to have in standby, IIRC the kit comes with only one?
OF