Cannabis Hardware (formerly NewVape) FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer
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Yet another shameless cross post from the vape chart thread:
I ran another test trying to dial in the max sustained temp in the bowl for a given temp. In this case I used 680°F.
I started with a fairly slow draw, then increased the speed by turning the choke valve about 1/2 turn. I wish I had an inline flow meter to give precise air speed, but alas I can only work with the tools in my toolbox. I then played around with the airspeed by decreasing a bit, increasing a bit until I found the "Goldilox" setting where the temp remained a steady 230°C.
So to summarize: If the air speed is too slow - or too fast - then the temperature will be lower than the max temp available for any given temp setting. Fun stuff to measure, but at the end of the day it doesn't play that great of a role in how the vape is used. All this testing has shown me that this is still somewhat more of an art than a science, but it's fun either way.
Yes, but I wasn't gentle about increasing the draw speed during that test.
Precisely.
Yes, the draw rate plays a very important role along with heater temp.
I ran another test trying to dial in the max sustained temp in the bowl for a given temp. In this case I used 680°F.
I started with a fairly slow draw, then increased the speed by turning the choke valve about 1/2 turn. I wish I had an inline flow meter to give precise air speed, but alas I can only work with the tools in my toolbox. I then played around with the airspeed by decreasing a bit, increasing a bit until I found the "Goldilox" setting where the temp remained a steady 230°C.
So to summarize: If the air speed is too slow - or too fast - then the temperature will be lower than the max temp available for any given temp setting. Fun stuff to measure, but at the end of the day it doesn't play that great of a role in how the vape is used. All this testing has shown me that this is still somewhat more of an art than a science, but it's fun either way.
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Sounds spot on to me since you can basically clear the water pipe with the showerhead still on the bowl. if you couldn't overpower the heater that wouldn't really work.
I actually really like being able to overpower the heater in this scenario. It gives you some "wiggle room" at higher temps, that way I can keep the temp high and pump up the thermal mass in the showerhead for fast extraction without much worry about overcooking the load, as I just draw a slight bit quicker towards the end which I'm doing anyways when I'm getting ready to clear the tube!
I actually really like being able to overpower the heater in this scenario. It gives you some "wiggle room" at higher temps, that way I can keep the temp high and pump up the thermal mass in the showerhead for fast extraction without much worry about overcooking the load, as I just draw a slight bit quicker towards the end which I'm doing anyways when I'm getting ready to clear the tube!
lazylathe
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Merry Christmas everyone!!!
I very seldom wake&bake but since today is Christmas, i thought why not!
Looked through my stash and picked some Death Bubba flower! Very potent and tastes amazing!
The i remembered i also have rosin and some shatter left in the fridge!
The Christmas wake&bake recipe:
1 bowl of flower
1 small dab of TrainWreck rosin
1 small dab of Great White Shark rosin
1 small dab of RockStar shatter
Drop the head on and start inhaling while applying a rather fat dab trio and cap immediately!
HOLY WHITE CHRISTMAS in my WT!!!
Amazing flavor, amazing cloud from my OGFP 16mm with quartz dish!
Hope everyone has a wonderful day!!
I very seldom wake&bake but since today is Christmas, i thought why not!
Looked through my stash and picked some Death Bubba flower! Very potent and tastes amazing!
The i remembered i also have rosin and some shatter left in the fridge!
The Christmas wake&bake recipe:
1 bowl of flower
1 small dab of TrainWreck rosin
1 small dab of Great White Shark rosin
1 small dab of RockStar shatter
Drop the head on and start inhaling while applying a rather fat dab trio and cap immediately!
HOLY WHITE CHRISTMAS in my WT!!!
Amazing flavor, amazing cloud from my OGFP 16mm with quartz dish!
Hope everyone has a wonderful day!!
Likes2vape
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Merry Kushmas 
My boys were up for christmas today, I think they only combusted just to take a step outside to enjoy nature, otherwise they were ripping on the FP, wraparound setup with double deckers in the sapphire halo, and then some flower+dab in the FP with SH for some convection flavor bombs. They were really impressed with their 3rd use. My stepson said he needs to look into one because he enjoys the vapor high a lot more now, I guess that seems like the natural progression for a lot of us. Some durban poison wax with some pineapple express terpenes added in, as well as some keep tahoe blue flower and clementine x bruce banner.
Of course I brought the FP with me, got a solution to those wobbly kick stands too
Crosspost from the Vape Temp Profile Charts thread.
The heater does get overwhelmed towards the end of each draw, with the effect becoming slightly more pronounced during the last couple of hits.
As a bonus here's a video of the test being performed. Warning: It's boring as hell.
So I decided to run this test today. Six draws with 20 second intervals for the heater to recover between them. The first five draws were for 10 seconds, while I let the final draw go for 20 seconds. Green arrows mark the start of the draw, red arrows mark the end of each draw.
The heater does get overwhelmed towards the end of each draw, with the effect becoming slightly more pronounced during the last couple of hits.
As a bonus here's a video of the test being performed. Warning: It's boring as hell.
Followup to prior post (xpost from chart thread)
I re-did the test using a partially choked valve which slows the airflow substantially. The first three draws are with the valve restricted (I used the "optimum" restriction that I determined in prior tests) and I opened it all the way up for the fourth draw for shits and giggles. The final draw was also restricted and was for a longer duration. Ignore the blank yellow box on the left...not sure how that got there.
Without using a flow meter, this stuff is still somewhat meaningless. I wish I could find one for a reasonable price to put this all in better perspective, but for now I'll have to be satisfied with "fastish draw" vs. "slower draw". It's clear that the wide open pump is too much for the heater to handle, but I doubt that normal hits from a human would come close to doing what the maxed out pump does.
Test vid:
The temps are so low because I ran that test using a wide open valve. In retrospect, this was probably not the best test to perform, but I was actively trying to overwhelm the heater, so I thought I'd crank it up to 11.
I re-did the test using a partially choked valve which slows the airflow substantially. The first three draws are with the valve restricted (I used the "optimum" restriction that I determined in prior tests) and I opened it all the way up for the fourth draw for shits and giggles. The final draw was also restricted and was for a longer duration. Ignore the blank yellow box on the left...not sure how that got there.
Without using a flow meter, this stuff is still somewhat meaningless. I wish I could find one for a reasonable price to put this all in better perspective, but for now I'll have to be satisfied with "fastish draw" vs. "slower draw". It's clear that the wide open pump is too much for the heater to handle, but I doubt that normal hits from a human would come close to doing what the maxed out pump does.
Test vid:
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LabPong
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Just gave a sweetheart a spin on the flower pot. She took a nice, easy, smallish hit. It was absolutely perfect and beautiful for a person's first time with the flower pot. For me this underscores how excellent of a vape this is. It really responds to how a user chooses to use it.
She will always look at the flower pot as something very special because of this experience. This is what FP users love. The moment you see that light flash in their eyes, then you know they know.
Good to hear this.....as I am weighing out the micro dose/taste use case with this in mind. Having a hot bulky setup is on the other end of the scale for me. My biggest concern before I purchase is about the controller/cord setup. The one from NV looks like it's very bulky and stiff. I would like to have a setup that was as stealth or minimal as possible. Which means a possible smaller and more flexible cord from box to heating element/handle.
What options would be good for the budget if I did not get the controller box from NV with the rest of the parts? Is it possible to use one of these control boxes to run a soldiering iron as well?
Thanks for any pointers....as I have little to no knowledge on this type of vape setup.
Not that I would want to turn anyone away from this epic vaporizer, but if you want something as stealth as possible this vape is probably not for you. In my experience a desktop vape requires a vape station. It's not like a Mighty where you turn it off and stick it in your drawer. The FP takes 20-30 minutes just to cool down.
The cord is pretty stiff but I can't see a thinner cord making it more discrete to use. It's only a few feet long so I don't think you'd want anything shorter. Overall the whole system is quite small for a desktop vaporizer.
LabPong
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Oh..gosh sorry...I did not word that well.
Yes I understand it is a station or large area setting vape. I should of said, more compact, flexible, less clunky handle and cord setup. Something like having a more relaxed or pliable cable so when moving from safe holding point to in use on the water unit......your not so apt to ketch something with the cable or have something knock the cable and then knock the handle off the holder or water unit.
That is sort of my biggest concern. But having a large desk with empty space under it will allow for me to make a custom holding tray/box deal below the desk top and allow for a more secure area for it to sit in when hot.
Yes I understand it is a station or large area setting vape. I should of said, more compact, flexible, less clunky handle and cord setup. Something like having a more relaxed or pliable cable so when moving from safe holding point to in use on the water unit......your not so apt to ketch something with the cable or have something knock the cable and then knock the handle off the holder or water unit.
That is sort of my biggest concern. But having a large desk with empty space under it will allow for me to make a custom holding tray/box deal below the desk top and allow for a more secure area for it to sit in when hot.
Are you going to build a custom cable? It would be cool if they were more flexible, my cable works good when it hangs off the side of something. If the whole cable is laying on a table like the pic above it starts acting kind of squirmy. I also think it depends on if your coil port on your PID controller is on the front or back.
lazylathe
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I think i have found SH nirvana! Unfortunately it does not use my EQ bowl...
I also find i go through a bit more material but the benefits far outweigh the extra herb!
Way more flavor on the first hit and more strength as well!
I am using the Panhead bowl with the double weave Ti screen.
A generous pinch, about 2mm of herb works, set at 610F.
It feels like a dab now from flowers but so much better!!
Low temp heavy hitter with full flavor!!
I also find i go through a bit more material but the benefits far outweigh the extra herb!
Way more flavor on the first hit and more strength as well!
I am using the Panhead bowl with the double weave Ti screen.
A generous pinch, about 2mm of herb works, set at 610F.
It feels like a dab now from flowers but so much better!!
Low temp heavy hitter with full flavor!!
LabPong
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My idea is to make a custom box/chamber for the controller and wand. Either way I mount them, best to have the cables pointing downward from connections. Controller would be close to the desk top on the under side. So maybe the stock NV controller will work ok because the cable connects to the back.
Vapetologist
HamsterDAMAGED
Careful, many have tried to bend or modify the coil itself so its not sticking straight out - they usually end up having to buy a new coil as they can't tolerate the manipulation sadly.
lazylathe
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Why not take the controllers apart and mount the switch and display unit on a 45 degree angled mount at the back of the desk? Route the cables according to where you sit and your WT arrangement.
Morty
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Hell yeah! Nice solution!
Not that I've had tipping problems w/ my Errlectric version, but peace of mind is always nice.And our SH's look pretty much identical at this point except the coil cover. Mine has a mixed green and red hue to it. All hail the oven!
Must try! Been living on the high temps. I need to experiment more w/ the low temps. I need to get a ShowerCap. Not sure if I'll go OG or the new Ti version. Searched the thread & didn't find any comparisons. More digging is needed!
Hey @lazylathe. The 13th is rapidly approaching!
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/supreme-vaporizer.317/page-159#post-1190226
Now we need to hold biohacker to the 3 SV3's w/ concentrate sandwiches hit at one time video! We can't let him back out of this one! Let's see if this guy really has 7.5L swimmers lungs!
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lazylathe
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Hell yeah! Nice solution!
And our SH's look pretty much identical at this point except the coil cover. Mine has a mixed green and red hue to it. All hail the oven!
Must try! Been living on the high temps. I need to experiment more w/ the low temps. Which means I need to get a ShowerCap. Not sure if I'll go OG or the new Ti version. Searched the thread & didn't find any comparisons. More digging is needed!
Hey @lazylathe. The 13th is rapidly approaching!
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/supreme-vaporizer.317/page-159#post-1190226
Now we need to hold biohacker to the 3 SV3's w/ concentrate sandwiches hit at one time video! We can't let him back out of this one! Let's see if this guy really has 7.5L swimmers lungs!
Actually i am moving on Thursday!! And i just checked that post...must have been medicated to willingly agree to hack my lungs out in the name of science! Oh well!! Once i get set up, it is ON!!
No need for the ShowerCap even at the low temps bro!
Thick, delicious tasting vapor!
buddingglasshead
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I'd go for the Ti cap since you can get a WA in the future and have it be compatible. Would you be using it for just flower? If so, I honestly don't feel the cap is needed. Maybe going for super low temps where you would need a good 10-15 second to actually start pulling vapor and could easily overpower it being at such a low temp.
I haven't been running my usually 550-575. Since I picked up a Milaana for a trip coming up, (and have a Zion on the way now...) I've been getting all the flavor with the Mi and finishing up the ABV at 710 with the SH. I've been meaning to be a bit more efficient with my medicine and this has been working really well. Also VAS stronk.... Already see other portables and desktops I'd like to get. NV SH and WA gave me no reason to have VAS but the Mi certainly gave it to me. I'm really enjoying how different it is in comparison and that makes me want to try even more! I feel now that I'm vaping only, I can really feel the difference between vapes and the effects they produce. Wouldn't be that way if it wasn't for the OG FP...
I actually just sold my 16mm OG FP set up with enail to a really good friend for a really good price. I ended up buying a WrapAround 16mm to give him a bit better of a dabbing experience. I tried the coil cover with it and just really feel like it didn't help except for making it look better and allowing me to lower temps a little bit and still have the same experience with flower, but not for concentrates. He's mainly a concentrate user, but I'm sure this will convince him otherwise.
Also bought myself the 20mm D-nail version, coil extensions, and another panhead bowl.
One thing I noticed on the site, and wanted to mention to @NewVape420
The standard coil nut is marked as 16mm coil nut now, but it's still the correct one to use with the 20mm WA and Dnail WA. This is confusing because the SH coil nut is marked as the 20mm coil nut. Made double take and checked my previous order to ensure I was purchasing the correct one (9174) so I'd have all three (SH, WA, and Dnail WA) functional and available to me.
Good day to all you wise(and otherwise!) F-Pot'rs! 2017 has been just a crazy insane (insane crazy?) year for pretty much everyone on the planet. We look back and it seems like just yesterday we were recovering from New Years Eve! Here we go again...
ANYWAY - we've made a change recently so I wanted to update you all. The 20mm Coil Wrap-Arounds now use the same 20mm nuts that the ShowerHead uses. It has the same 5 Holes going straight down, only the diameter of the bottom(nut) threading has changed. This applies only to the 20mm-Coil WrapAround. The 16mm-Coil and D-Nail versions did not change. The 16mm Nut will remain available for the other heads. So this is the 20/20:
Also for a short time we're including both heads in the big ShowerHead Bundle, so now that the nuts are the same, you'll get the ShowerHead top, along with the above WrapAround and a SiC dish.
Thanks and we hope everyone has a raging(but safe) NYE!
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buddingglasshead
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Thanks for the clarification! It looks like I'm all set since I bought the 16mm nut and Dnail 20mm. Although, that is still quite confusing calling it the 16mm nut when the 20mm dnail will still also use it. Is this also going to change in the future? Am I reading wrong and do I actually need the 20mm nut? Going to send an email off to sales@newvape.com since the order hasn't shipped for peace of mind.
Awesome deal to include that as well! Although, I much prefer having both on at the same time.
Thanks to my NV dual enail.
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Danksta
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Damn....and here I thought the @NewVape420 alert I got was going to be a post about GLASS BOWLS!
GRRRRRRR!!!!!!!
GRRRRRRR!!!!!!!
Square4Life
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LMAO! I was expecting/hopeful for the same thing!!!Damn....and here I thought the @NewVape420 alert I got was going to be a post about GLASS BOWLS!
GRRRRRRR!!!!!!!