Mr. Me2
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Where does he get all those wonderful toys?...On the road again:
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Dynavap VapCap
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GreenHopper
20 going on 60
This wouldn't be too hard for me to do. I already drill a 10mm hole through the wood.That would definitely work but what I actually want is another @phattpiggie stem based on an 8mm SS tube with the WonG joint overlapping the Omni MP by about 65%.
I know it's a lot more money/effort than a silicone adapter but I have a feeling I'm gonna be using this setup for years to come.
I haven't mentioned it to Phatt's yet and don't know if it's possible or if he is even willing to do a stem like this. Also I only decided I wanted this after is latest list was closed so I'll have to wait for the next list, but I'm in no rush.
EDIT: forgot to draw the carb hole but obviously that would be required for the Omni variable air flow system to work.
You have now, Blackwood against the Ti would look nice but in any wood the joint is going to have to be changed so the final part of the taper isn't such a thin wall.
I like the idea of an all metal version but I've not got a metal lathe, yet. And the taper could be done as you've drawn it.
If the feeding frenzy has tailed off a bit perhaps there could be a chance @VapCap could get a metal one done.
Or if he hadn't beaten me to it, I was going to suggest @Winegums would be the man.
Just to add to the wood and toxicity things, as @WoodVillain suggested try looking in The Wood Database.
I have said to customers if they are at all susceptible to anything then they should be cautious, it's normally dust and saps that are going to cause problems but it wouldn't do any harm to do a bit of research.
If you are at all worried then avoid the species that could cause concern, I'm sure most properly dried wood coated in a wax would be okay but I would hate for anyone to go all Nutty Professor.
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Summer
Long Island, NY
What does WonG joint mean? You definitely want a wood stem?
And what does shot gun it mean in the following context?
"I usually draw covering the carb hole at first till I feel smoke then shot gun it." He's not blowing into someone else's mouth which is the meaning of shot gun.
So much lingo I don't know.
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GreenHopper
20 going on 60
Actually your stem is what my Omni condenser is currently sitting in.
That should work
Blackwood ends, maybe some of that dear antler you once mentioned in the middle
An all metal one would be good too @VapCap
could also engrave a couple of O-ring channels for a perfect seal.Thanks guys, appreciate the input.
@phattpiggie I've still got that MFLB Indian Summer base in mind as well, just been too lazy to properly draw up a schematic but I will in time for your next list.
@Summer
WonG = Wood on Glass, as in a wood stem on a glass joint.
The wood has a stainless steel core running through it.
Don't have wood allergies which is a massive surprise seeing as I have allergies to Moo Juice, grass, pollen, dust mites, perfume, etc...
I have heard the term shotgun also refered to as taking your finger off the carb.
VisiblyVaped
Well-Known Member
WoodVillain
Backwoods Rated
On the lid of the green tube it says cooljarz . com... So i went to the site...
Most items have minimum quantities that make it unrealistic for the end user but i did order a sample pack for $9 shipped. Figured i should share that. Pretty good deal i think...
12 different containers, 1-60 dram.. 10 claim to be child resistant... 2 are tubes...
Just search the word "sample" on the site if curious...
Most items have minimum quantities that make it unrealistic for the end user but i did order a sample pack for $9 shipped. Figured i should share that. Pretty good deal i think...
12 different containers, 1-60 dram.. 10 claim to be child resistant... 2 are tubes...
Just search the word "sample" on the site if curious...
Summer
Long Island, NY
Actually your stem is what my Omni condenser is currently sitting in. That should work Blackwood ends, maybe some of that dear antler you once mentioned in the middle
Oiy, GrassHopper, now you've got to choose between 2 artisans.
So am I right in saying 'a vong as in nonavong but it a wong because it's a wood stem on a glass joint?' I know that the wood has ss running through it as I've seen @Winegums pics. But I don't get what you mean by glass joint. You've got the tip & the ss lined, wood stem so why glass anything?
I need to be educated.Am I correct in that Dynavap doesn't line there nonavongs w/ ss?
I understand that it's wholesale pricing, but the child-proof containers look nice. Link if interested.
Well, that could easily make sense in context. I"ll give you the last sentence of what I quoted is ... well, actually I'll give you both sentences:
"I usually draw covering the carb hole at first till I feel smoke then shot gun it. I take long slow draws usually still drawing in till the cool down click."
Now, what I want to know: Having only done minimal reading on the subject, the consensus seems to be that the trichomes (sp.) act immediately, there's no need to hold the toke; in fact, it's less healthy for your lungs, but, I don't know if it's habit, or the innate, joint-smoking mentality that you get higher, or that I just like holding it in; which I do. Anyway, is it preference or is it just plain wrong when vaping? Interested in what you guys think. I'd start a poll for us vc users if I knew how to. I think it would be interesting. @GreenHopper, we know how your good diagram skills are, want to devle into the world of polls.
I didn't think so. 
WoodVillain
Backwoods Rated
This is the sample pack i ordered. https://cooljarz.com/products/flipz...p-top-extract-weed-and-pre-rolled-sample-pack
Smokey McVape
Well-Known Member
@VisiblyVaped - the adjustable ratio is only applicable if you use the carb. For hardest hitting vapor cover the carb.
Agent_Age
Well-Known Member
Man I've been hanging out for my coco omni vong for a few weeks now. Has been in australia since the 5th but still no sign of it. Was hoping to be hitting it over the weekend. Ah well I'm sure it will arrive Monday.
No fault of dynavap, just the way it is when you live rural.
It will be my first dyna, and the anticipation is Killing me
No fault of dynavap, just the way it is when you live rural.
It will be my first dyna, and the anticipation is Killing me
GreenHopper
20 going on 60
Oiy, GrassHopper, now you've got to choose between 2 artisans.
Nah, I'm gonna get more work done by both
I'm going away for a week or so (if my skin holds out that is) and when I get back I'm gonna ask @Winegums to help me out with the OmniWonG <-- I made that up but I like it
So am I right in saying 'a vong as in nonavong but it a wong because it's a wood stem on a glass joint?' I know that the wood has ss running through it as I've seen @Winegums pics. But I don't get what you mean by glass joint. You've got the tip & the ss lined, wood stem so why glass anything?
Am I correct in that Dynavap doesn't line there nonavongs w/ ss?
Correct it's a wooden stem designed to fit into a glass joint on a bubbler hydro tool.
I first started reading about the term GonG (Glass-on-Glass) when reading about bongs/bubblers. It related to a glass mouthpiece or adapter connecting to a glass joint on a bubbler.
Then I discovered that SonG meant Silicone-on-Glass and is used when describing a silicone adapter that fits in a glass joint.
DynaVap came up with the VonG (VapCap-on-Glass) term.
And finally WonG which is Wood-on-Glass.
The Glass joints are the 14mm or 18mm joints that are welded onto a bubbler to allow for the input (Vapouriser, Dab Nail, Bowl, ash catcher, etc...) and the output joints (mouthpiece, whip, etc...).
Here is a pic of my MFLB with a @phattpiggie stem on the INPUT JOINT which I refer to as a WonG as it's a Wood-on-Glass connection (technically it's acrylic but let's not split hairs
) and an @Oregonglassblower custom glass mouthpiece on the OUTPUT JOINT which I refer to as a GonG as it's a Glass-on-Glass connection:
Correct, none of DV's stems are glass lined. All their wooden stems are just wood with no stainless steel or titanium cores. Because the VapCaps use condenser it's deemed unnecessary to line the wood as the condensers should stop reclaim buildup on the wood. In practise I find where the tip meets the wooden stem I tend to get build up so I prefer stems that are lined with stainless steel to make cleaning easier.
@GreenHopper, we know how your good diagram skills are, want to devle into the world of polls.
I've not created my own poll yet but I believe all you need to do is start a new thread. In the process of doing so you'll be resented with a form to define the threads title, initial post content, tags and optionally a poll:
and then
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stark1
Lonesome Planet
WONG : "Wood-on-Glass connection (technically it's acrylic but let's not split hairs )"
@GreenHopper we so love acronyms let's create a new term "AONG" => Acrylic on Glass, that should have
some ppl scratching their, Grasshopper.
?
PS I'd settle for a SONG (Silicone on GlasS) FOR MY VapCap
)"@GreenHopper we so love acronyms let's create a new term "AONG" => Acrylic on Glass, that should have
some ppl scratching their
, Grasshopper.?PS I'd settle for a SONG (Silicone on GlasS) FOR MY VapCap
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GreenHopper
20 going on 60
I like PonG! If it get's too hot it'll make a pong for sure!
Could go really open and opt for TonG (Thing-on-Glass)
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flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
wo’ batlhvaD (For the honor of the Empire!)
klingon blue glass vapcap stand
LOVE this thing. Great work! Now need to find something like this to do the same with.
nah...i don't have a heater from pipes yet...and I feel like an asshole for it
And orientation....i think I like the carb more open when I'm up and moving as opposed to a more restricted draw when I'm sitting back or laying down sipping on it.
I also like the ability to load it and draw while I adjust to find that sweet spot...which is handy when the condenser starts to get dirty and the draw isn't quite the same.
You need to get a Pipes heater. Not just because it will be great for you, but I'm dying to see your vid review of it!
There is much discussion on this all over FC since inception. Also, a few complete threads (I added a few links in below). Don't think there has ever been total consensus (in threads at least), with much squabbling back and forth whether holding hit in is worth it or not.
I've come to the conclusion that seems what most thinking and experimenting people have come to... Effects from trichromes (or more accurately here THC) and other actives you're vaping are absorbed pretty quickly, though effects on brain and body can take a few minutes to set in. But, your lungs need fresh air (the oxygen? seems to be what most think) to mix with vapor for absorption. I think this is because your lungs probably aren't going to absorb vapor itself, we kind of trick them into doing so with mix of fresh air.
Once all of the fresh air is absorbed, your lungs stop absorbing, so any vapor left will just sit there until exhale, then be blown out. You will add to your buzz by holding it in, but IMO this is just oxygen depletion - same as holding your breath too long - enhanced a small bit by vapor being present.
IME to get the most out of your vapor, re-breathe (several other terms for it). Hit your VC (or preferred vape) and hold the hit for 5 - 10 seconds. Then breathe out a bit (1/3 of what's in lungs? This is my amount, but whatever you're comfortable with), and inhale some fresh air. As your lungs absorb this fresh air/oxygen they will also absorb some of that vapor still left in your lungs. Do the same as much as you like until no visible vapor being exhaled. I usually only do 2 - 3 re-breaths at most.
Again, a lot of loose theory here and not much scientific data I'm aware of to back it up, but it works amazingly well!! It may take a few tries to get it down, but isn't too difficult. If like most, you'll probably find you get twice as buzzed from same number of hits/loads - or just as buzzed with half as many hits/loads. Great for conservation - especially when stash is low and "that guy" isn't replying to calls/texts, if you're short on time or in a situation where trying to be discrete and want to get there quickly and not re-load too much.
This works great with VCs and every other vape I've tried it with. Give it a whirl and let us know what you think. OR, maybe a new thread (specific to VC?) on this may be even better?
EDIT: Think there are even more than these, but here are a few threads that explore holding hits in. Think I kept them in chronological order of when thread was started.
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/holding-your-draw-toke.185/
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/holding-in-your-hits.14539/
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/holding-hits-in-diy-experiment.1590/
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vapor-recycling-breathing-technique.16857
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/are-clouds-of-vapor-counterproductive.18198/
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/how-to-get-the-best-hits-from-your-vaporizer.18270/
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SO, i was looking around at cooljarz.com site (thanks @WoodVillain ) and noticed they have sample packs for each category on their site..
so i you liked the "Sealz" models (threaded airtight jars) you could order a sample pack of various "Sealz" containers.. if you liked those locking ones (@Summer ) you can order just a sample pack of "Lockz" also.
so i you liked the "Sealz" models (threaded airtight jars) you could order a sample pack of various "Sealz" containers.. if you liked those locking ones (@Summer ) you can order just a sample pack of "Lockz" also.
Great information, perspective and tips as always! Just to add a thought- a very crucial factor regarding absorption of actives is where exactly the actives, and vapor, are.LOVE this thing. Great work! Now need to find something like this to do the same with.
You need to get a Pipes heater. Not just because it will be great for you, but I'm dying to see your vid review of it!
There is much discussion on this all over FC since inception. Also, a few complete threads (I added a few links in below). Don't think there has ever been total consensus (in threads at least), with much squabbling back and forth whether holding hit in is worth it or not.
I've come to the conclusion that seems what most thinking and experimenting people have come to... Effects from trichromes (or more accurately here THC) and other actives you're vaping are absorbed pretty quickly, though effects on brain and body can take a few minutes to set in. But, your lungs need fresh air (the oxygen? seems to be what most think) to mix with vapor for absorption. I think this is because your lungs probably aren't going to absorb vapor itself, we kind of trick them into doing so with mix of fresh air.
Once all of the fresh air is absorbed, your lungs stop absorbing, so any vapor left will just sit there until exhale, then be blown out. You will add to your buzz by holding it in, but IMO this is just oxygen depletion - same as holding your breath too long - enhanced a small bit by vapor being present.
IME to get the most out of your vapor, re-breathe (several other terms for it). Hit your VC (or preferred vape) and hold the hit for 5 - 10 seconds. Then breathe out a bit (1/3 of what's in lungs? This is my amount, but whatever you're comfortable with), and inhale some fresh air. As your lungs absorb this fresh air/oxygen they will also absorb some of that vapor still left in your lungs. Do the same as much as you like until no visible vapor being exhaled. I usually only do 2 - 3 re-breaths at most.
Again, a lot of loose theory here and not much scientific data I'm aware of to back it up, but it works amazingly well!! It may take a few tries to get it down, but isn't too difficult. If like most, you'll probably find you get twice as buzzed from same number of hits/loads - or just as buzzed with half as many hits/loads. Great for conservation - especially when stash is low and "that guy" isn't replying to calls/texts, if you're short on time or in a situation where trying to be discrete and want to get there quickly and not re-load too much.
This works great with VCs and every other vape I've tried it with. Give it a whirl and let us know what you think. OR, maybe a new thread (specific to VC?) on this may be even better?
EDIT: Think there are even more than these, but here are a few threads that explore holding hits in. Think I kept them in chronological order of when thread was started.
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/holding-your-draw-toke.185/
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/holding-in-your-hits.14539/
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/holding-hits-in-diy-experiment.1590/
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vapor-recycling-breathing-technique.16857
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/are-clouds-of-vapor-counterproductive.18198/
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/how-to-get-the-best-hits-from-your-vaporizer.18270/
It wants to be inside the actual lungsl all that is still queuing up in the throat to get into the football stadium
is not going to be absorbed. So your actual inhalation technique, specifically how deep you get the vapor, whether you get all of it into your lungs and how long you are then able to keep it there comes into play.It helps if you can finish your hit, whatever size, and then continue to inhale. I know you know all this Flotntoke and a TON more than me about all things vapes I am sure.
My lungs are large though and despite my crazy allergy and respiratory problems, I have excellent breath control and technique for vaping. So I can usually get the whole hit deep down into my lungs and hold it there. There is no question there is a significantly stronger effect for me to hold the vapor for 5 to 10 seconds, or even longer, then to exhale after less than 5 seconds.
I have had to ration and conserve my weed supply for years, and have always observed an unquestionable correlation - whenever I stopped holding my hits in for as long, I would go through twice as much weed and not get nearly as buzzed.
The re breathing technique is an excellent method for increasing absorption in a more comfortable and surely healthier manner. I realise I probably do this unconsciously when I vape to generally get the most effect. Consciously, I always just make sure to get the hit deep down into my lungs and hold it there for at least a few seconds, normally 5 to 10, and then do some comfortable re-breathing.
If weed supply was unlimited, I would exhale sooner for pleasure sake. Managing my allergies 24/7 entails deep essential oil inhalation, holding in. If I dont get the essential oil I inhale deep enough into my lungs, and/or dont hold it in (really the most crucial bit, but a bit like the chicken and the egg!) l then the result, and level of relief I get, is just a pittance compared to inhaling deep and holding for 10 seconds plus.
Totally different things. Im not trying to absorb peppermint oil, I want the menthol to be in longer contact with the mucus that fills my lungs from allergies and infections.
But somehow they share a principle in a roundabout way.
I do think it is possible however to get a very high level of absorption from the initial inhale, if deep enough and held down for 10 secs or so. As long as you take a lungful of air in with it there should be enough oxygen etc for the process. Just not the most pleasant way to go throught the day though. Also it is on the exhale that I really notice the flavour of the weed, if I dont hold it too long. The longer I hold my hits, the less I notice any flavour on the exhale, not to mention that the exhale is significantly smaller and less visible from a 7 to 10 second hold.
Does this suggest that more terpenes and probably other molecules continue to be absorbed with a longer inhale, but still fairly rapidly?
I only noticed this just recently after a fresh harvest of nice medicine, which should see me through the next 12 months at least without thought of ration.
So I have been exhaling sooner so as not to discomfort myself, and wow have I been noticing the flavour so much more than with a longer hold!
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GreenHopper
20 going on 60
DynaVap will be at Dope Cup Colorado!
flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
Great information, perspective and tips as always! Just to add a thought- a very crucial factor regarding absorption of actives is where exactly the actives, and vapor, are.
It wants to be inside the actual lungsl all that is still queuing up in the throat to get into the football stadium
It helps if you can finish your hit, whatever size, and then continue to inhale. I know you know all this Flotntoke and a TON more than me about all things vapes I am sure.
My lungs are large though and despite my crazy allergy and respiratory problems, I have excellent breath control and technique for vaping. So I can usually get the whole hit deep down into my lungs and hold it there. There is no question there is a significantly stronger effect for me to hold the vapor for 5 to 10 seconds, or even longer, then to exhale after less than 5 seconds.
I have had to ration and conserve my weed supply for years, and have always observed an unquestionable correlation - whenever I stopped holding my hits in for as long, I would go through twice as much weed and not get nearly as buzzed.
The re breathing technique is an excellent method for increasing absorption in a more comfortable and surely healthier manner. I realise I probably do this unconsciously when I vape to generally get the most effect. Consciously, I always just make sure to get the hit deep down into my lungs and hold it there for at least a few seconds, normally 5 to 10, and then do some comfortable re-breathing.
If weed supply was unlimited, I would exhale sooner for pleasure sake. Managing my allergies 24/7 entails deep essential oil inhalation, holding in. If I dont get the essential oil I inhale deep enough into my lungs, and/or dont hold it in (really the most crucial bit, but a bit like the chicken and the egg!) l then the result, and level of relief I get, is just a pittance compared to inhaling deep and holding for 10 seconds plus.
Totally different things. Im not trying to absorb peppermint oil, I want the menthol to be in longer contact with the mucus that fills my lungs from allergies and infections.
But somehow they share a principle in a roundabout way.
I do think it is possible however to get a very high level of absorption from the initial inhale, if deep enough and held down for 10 secs or so. As long as you take a lungful of air in with it there should be enough oxygen etc for the process. Just not the most pleasant way t9 go throught the day though. Also is in fact on the exhale that I really notice the flavour of the weed, if I dont hold it too long. The longer I hold my hits, the less I notice any flavour on the exhale, not to mention that the exhale is significantly smaller and less visible from a 7 to 10 second hold.
Does this suggest that more terpenes and probably other molecules continue to be absorbed with a longer inhale, but still fairly rapidly?
I only noticed this just recently after a fresh harvest of nice medicine, which should see me through the next 12 months at least without thought of ration.
So I have been exhaling sooner so as not to discomfort myself, and wow have I been noticing the flavour so much more than with a longer hold!
Yeah... was kind of afraid of this. Was why I tried to keep it simple and relevant to VC as much as possible while responding to specific question in post above. It's the kind of info that is worthwhile here, but almost irresistible to many to get into the full discussion.
So, maybe a new thread is needed? Or, posting to and reviving one of the 6 I linked above, or the several more others that already exist. This discussion has the potential to derail much more than this, so please be aware and post appropriately. I go OT as much as anyone, but this one can be a MoFo and would hate to be the one who started a 5 page OT run.
MANY THANKS!!
