Discontinued Zion vaporizer

[thekarmawhore]

It might short momentarily, until it was dry enough to not be shorted, which by the way doesn't bother the electronics. We've shorted this thing every way to Sunday and she keeps on ticking. Electronics are bulletproof, and design layout wise I bet you could run liquid through the heater portion as long as you cared to so long as you let it dry out again before using.

 

[Madcap79]

With the preorder option, do batteries and the charger come with it or do I need to purchase it separately?

I assume separately. Ordered just the unit. I'll try to find some good batteries to use. Can't wait!

 

[MrPeanut]

Batteries and chargers are sold separately.

 

[ChippyMalone]

Well, it does seem that naming is obligatory

I'm going to continue with a theme I've got going and name mine after my bong and my E-Nano.

I'm going to call it "My Zion".

 

[DieHard]

Well, it does seem that naming my obligatory

I'm going to continue with a theme I've got going and name mine after my bong and my E-Nano.

I'm going to call it "My Zion".

Damn that's brilliant!
Do you mind if I try that?
My Errlectric... Hmm has a nice ring to it.

 

[ChippyMalone]

Damn that's brilliant!
Do you mind if I try that?
My Errlectric... Hmm has a nice ring to it.

"The" and "My" are interchangeable first names for a little variation.

 

[cybrguy]

In fact some water has been accidentally blown back into Courtney, which emitted a loud steamy hiss of complaint.
So yeah...she swallows.
What, too soon?
your pal,
thekarmawhore

Ah ha ha ha. Good one. So you are saying that a little water incursion would not be a concern. That is pretty impressive, and good news. Not because I expect to get it wet, but just as an indicator of bulletproofness.

Someone mentioned AAs above. The Zion use 18650s, which are significantly larger than AAs. They are standard, tho, not proprietary.

So I spent another night testing out Ellie and getting too high, for science. There is no doubting her effectiveness, or cooperation in my quest for easy and efficient buzzativity. Been moving the screen around to size loads, and I find if I want I can load just one good hit if that is what I want to do, while usually I am loading 3 or 4 worth and just taking them one at a time. I've used the longer stem and find it does cool a little more, but not a HUGE difference as it is only an inch longer. I can see how a longer stem would cool even more. Tho, no hits so far have been so harsh as to REQUIRE water cooling, I still intend to do it, because.

I have not combusted, tho at full power I HAVE singed loads a little, mostly trying to be efficient. Obviously the taste near the end of this kind of behavior is not very good, but that is expected. The flavor at low temps is WONDERFUL. This is my best vape for flavor by far. While I can get good flavor with my lotus, Ellie is MUCH better with temp stability than a torch based vape, even when good at it.

The interior diameter of the male2males I have (dhgate extras) are slightly too large to hold the one screen I have so far, so water testing will suffer unless I figure something out before getting new screens. I didn't get at first (Doh) why the dome "rimmed" screens would work well, but I get it now and will order some today. I thought the rim would need to be inside the joint.

I'll be back to testing tonight. I'll try to answer any question if any are posed. I am enjoying my new friend Ellie...

 

[Shit Snacks]

Ah ha ha ha. Good one. So you are saying that a little water incursion would not be a concern. That is pretty impressive, and good news. Not because I expect to get it wet, but just as an indicator of bulletproofness.

Someone mentioned AAs above. The Zion use 18650s, which are significantly larger than AAs. They are standard, tho, not proprietary.

So I spent another night testing out Ellie and getting too high, for science. There is no doubting her effectiveness, or cooperation in my quest for easy and efficient buzzativity. Been moving the screen around to size loads, and I find if I want I can load just one good hit if that is what I want to do, while usually I am loading 3 or 4 worth and just taking them one at a time. I've used the longer stem and find it does cool a little more, but not a HUGE difference as it is only an inch longer. I can see how a longer stem would cool even more. Tho, no hits so far have been so harsh as to REQUIRE water cooling, I still intend to do it, because.

I have not combusted, tho at full power I HAVE singed loads a little, mostly trying to be efficient. Obviously the taste near the end of this kind of behavior is not very good, but that is expected. The flavor at low temps is WONDERFUL. This is my best vape for flavor by far. While I can get good flavor with my lotus, Ellie is MUCH better with temp stability than a torch based vape, even when good at it.

The interior diameter of the male2males I have (dhgate extras) are slightly too large to hold the one screen I have so far, so water testing will suffer unless I figure something out before getting new screens. I didn't get at first (Doh) why the dome "rimmed" screens would work well, but I get it now and will order some today. I thought the rim would need to be inside the joint.

I'll be back to testing tonight. I'll try to answer any question if any are posed. I am enjoying my new friend Ellie...

Great little write up cybr, just making me more and more antsy for mine haha

Couple questions re temps: when you singe, and when you do a one hitter bowl, where are you on the temp dial?

 

[cybrguy]

I was all the way up. I'm thinking I would have to be at least nearly all the way up to singe it, but I'll try tonight and see if I can do it earlier.

Forgot the bowl part. I haven't tried that a lot yet, cause I usually am gonna want more soon so more in the bowl is fine, but it didn't seem to matter where I was on the dial, it would work like a more filled bowl. More experience necessary.

 

[little maggie]

Batteries and chargers are sold separately.

If anyone finds a low cost charger and batteries please post a link. I'm not sure what batteries to get.

Also does anyone know if the Haze charger will work with Zion batteries?

 

[DieHard]

If anyone finds a low cost charger and batteries please post a link. I'm not sure what batteries to get.

Also does anyone know if the Haze charger will work with Zion batteries?

Link to Nitecore D2

 

[cybrguy]

Just to be clear, it really isn't a temp dial. It is a power indicator, indicating how much power is applied. That doesn't necessarily relate to a particular temp as that will depend on other factors as well.
So the dial is relative power applied. And it was all the way up when I singed. And I am fairly certain there will be times when I want that extra power.

Link to Nitecore D2

That's what I'm using. Especially for testing phase it is nice to have numbers over lights.

 

[stickstones]

If anyone finds a low cost charger and batteries please post a link. I'm not sure what batteries to get.

Also does anyone know if the Haze charger will work with Zion batteries?

The Haze charger works for the four batteries I got that my nitecore charger works for. I think I like it better than the nitecore.

 

[little maggie]

Link to Nitecore D2

Will the batteries on that page- efest- work for the Zion or is there something specific I should be looking for.

 

[thekarmawhore]

Ah ha ha ha. Good one. So you are saying that a little water incursion would not be a concern. That is pretty impressive, and good news. Not because I expect to get it wet, but just as an indicator of bulletproofness.

~snip~

Exactly what I'm saying.

No concern at all, though to err on the side of caution I wouldn't recommend the shoulder shrug/keep on truckin' method that I employed, rather, it would be much better to wait and make sure everything was dry before continuing.

your pal,
thekarmawhore

 

[DieHard]

Will the batteries on that page- efest- work for the Zion or is there something specific I should be looking for.

I'm not sure. I'm buying a pair with my Zion. Just don't need another charger.

 

[KeroZen]

@little maggie : I made a post about batteries somewhere in the last 5 pages. You need at leat 20A continuous discharge to be on the safe side, flat top (no button), either protected Li-Ion or IMR. For now I recommend the VapPower 2500 mAh IMR's as I'm pretty sure they are very good for this application.

Just to be clear, it really isn't a temp dial. It is a power indicator, indicating how much power is applied. That doesn't necessarily relate to a particular temp as that will depend on other factors as well.

Exactly. We tried to express it several times already but this vaporizer is not temperature regulated. It's like a log vape and the "power button" would be akin to a variable voltage power supply.

The temperature regulation is done entirely by the user, and surprisingly it's possible to be relatively 'accurate' just by using a proper timing and judging the vapor temperature hitting your throat.

Lately I've been using Ashton at over 75% power right from the start and for the entire session. It's a great experience in many ways but at the same time (and as expected) it's harder to manage (although maybe with some practice...)

At low power, you need more preheating and you need to take longer hits (cons) but the temperature rise is slow enough to be able to maintain the bowl/load temperature in a narrow range, meaning you can extract selectively and it's closer to a temperature regulated vape (pros)

At high power Ashton is uber fast, it needs very little preheating if any and you get your first vapor hit way faster than in the previous paka-test result I posted (I didn't count but with fully charged batteries it's not that far from an "instant convection hit") but the side effect is that you get a quickly fluctuating temperature, and you end up extracting a larger "band".

I don't know if this was clear or not... A compromise would be to set the power very high to get your first hit, then progressively reduce to your sweet spot. I think this is what @MrPeanut is doing with great success.

 

[thekarmawhore]

The temperature regulation is done entirely by the user, and surprisingly it's possible to be relatively 'accurate' just by using a proper timing and judging the vapor temperature hitting your throat.

A good trick I came up with is to use "kissy lips" on the end of the stem to perform the inhale. My lips are much more sensitive to temperature than my throat and lungs seem to be and this trick lets me know right away when the draw stream is too hot to be healthy.

Beware of "lipstick" though, the phenomenon where the stem sticks to your lip as you pull away, which is often immediately followed by "stemshatter", the phenomenon where the stem hits the hard floor and breaks into a million pieces.

Tilt on and tilt off like you're drinking a bottle of beer and you'll never have an issue.

your pal,
thekarmawhore
comin' at you with hot tips

 

[cybrguy]

I think this vape is going to be a great example of "roll your own". There are many ways to get to the same (right) place. That may also make it a little hard to tell folks how exactly to hit it.

Easy to get the job done, more difficult to describe exactly how. No matter how you do it its gonna work.

Edit: Jeeze, I'm not sounding like a fanboy, am I?

 

[Shit Snacks]

Ah yes my mistake, shouldn't have called it a temp dial. I like power dial, yeah its like the LSV, I know what to expect. Lot of variability with this design, a big part of the fun, adds more dimensions than say a Firefly that has no power dial at all.

Also regarding lower-power (temp) hits, @KeroZen you don't have the mica right? So your experience with using lower temps isn't quite the same as @cybrguy and @MrPeanut correct? Bc isn't a big aspect of the mica's inclusion for better low power performance?

The initial high power hit and then lowering should be a fun method as well, so many ways to play, I am certain I will end up out my mind during testing as well... How can one resist?

 

[grokit]

its like the LSV

And the ssv & dbv, obviously. But also like my other favorite plug-ins, my sublimator v.1 and versa infinity. Because of this, I don't think having temperature feedback in the heater circuit is all that important

 

[RastaBuddhaTao]

So as you may remember back in the thread @MrPeanut discovered the Zion is also an e-cig too. So I stuffed a wad of coffee filter paper from the hotel in a clean stem and added a couple drops of e-juice. I then proceeded to walked through security at the music festival blowing clouds. With the popularity of mod building it's not uncommon to see big e-cig mods like the Zion. So I guess you could say Hiding in plain sight... although I did a few "hey what's that thing" Lol

The Zion being a convection vaporizer doesn't have the nichrome wire cooking the juice like a traditional vaporizer. This prevents the user from getting the brown contamination that occurs with a conventional e-cig. Just another way the Zipn is both revolutionary and versatile. Although @pakalolo was not happy with me when he initially tasted root beer in Jessica

 

[pakalolo]

Although @pakalolo was not happy with me when he initially tasted root beer in Jessica

So true, although it was mostly that sweet PG/VG taste. That turned out to be a good thing eventually because it demonstrated that such a contaminating flavour isn't permanent. It was fading fast when I did my first combustion test and that wiped it out completely (not that I recommend that method of eradicating unwanted flavours). The burnt taste was easy to get rid of too.

 

[cybrguy]

good to know. Certainly increases the likelihood that I would try flavor...

I think RBT mentioned that he might include some flavor in the future...

Later: So, serendipitously (I assume), one of the magnets that holds the cap is well placed to hold a stir stick while Ellie is open and being used.

 

[RastaBuddhaTao]

There was some discussion about the CE certification required for the eu I seem to remember, but there was hope that non eu regulated countries can order.
Shipping options prevent that at the moment

International shipping option has now been added to the web store.