Discontinued Zion vaporizer

[KeroZen]

Hm well yes, in theory. Now did anyone test that Ryan implemented the reverse polarity protection correctly? The low voltage protection was screwed up at first, then we've seen bad resistors... wouldn't be too surprised if the P-channel FET is not hooked up as it should lol (early devices don't have it so it's not an option for us anyway)

Also, voltage being a difference in electrical potential between two points, if your two cells are unbalanced, say one is 4V and the other is 3.8V, if you reverse the second one so its positive is at the negative terminal, there would still be a voltage of 0.2V between the + and the - in the circuit. Too little to turn the OKR on but I don't know what that would do to the lowest cell in practice...?

 

[Shit Snacks]

Hm well yes, in theory. Now did anyone test that Ryan implemented the reverse polarity protection correctly? The low voltage protection was screwed up at first, then we've seen bad resistors... wouldn't be too surprised if the P-channel FET is not hooked up as it should lol (early devices don't have it so it's not an option for us anyway)

Also, voltage being a difference in electrical potential between two points, if your two cells are unbalanced, say one is 4V and the other is 3.8V, if you reverse the second one so its positive is at the negative terminal, there would still be a voltage of 0.2V between the + and the - in the circuit. Too little to turn the OKR on but I don't know what that would do to the lowest cell in practice...?

They should all have that protection, when he first re did the heater a bit and sent me hot Zig and cool Zen they both had the protection implemented. Storing backwards batts has been recommended as a storage solution when button could be pressed accidentally. Personally I would never throw it on bag bc of the knob myself, I prefer to ensure its up right and secure, for both the knob and the button

 

[mmafighterthe25]

When is this thing gonna be avaible to buy

 

[cybrguy]

Sadly there are no plans to make the Zion available to anyone not already in queue to receive it. The preorders (which includes any of the beta team who don't have one) will be fulfilled and that will be pretty much it. Some of us are hoping that there will be enough interest from others who end up wanting one that he may do another run at some time, but Ryan is moving on to the Splinter which should be more mainstream. Zions will become an enthusiasts vape with a very limited ownership.

Its very sad as many of us feel Zion is one of the best vapes on the market, but it just isn't practical or profitable for Ryan, so Milaana and Splinter will be his mainstream products. I think Splinter, which uses an ecig mod to power it, is going to be what causes folks to beat a path to RBT's door. It uses all he has learned from creating Zi and Mi...

 

[Farkas]

Its very sad as many of us feel Zion is one of the best vapes on the market

Amen to that. Love mine. Easy to use and hits like a sledgehammer. Microdosing with it is fantastic as well.

 

[P.A.M.]

@ $400 a pop ; surely someone wouldn't mind building them for a hobby if Ryan chooses not to build zion anymore. . It can't be that costly to build. I know I'll probably get a iHeat from Alan.

 

[cannabis.pro]

When is this thing gonna be avaible to buy

You could sign up for our Dispatch Newsletter at 420EDC, if there are any Zion that become available, we'll send out a blast when we put them up for sale to the list. No guarantee on availability.

Really looking forward to getting my hands on a Zion as I only had the opportunity to use one for a few sessions on a visit to RBT Labs. Shouldn't be much longer, RBT has parts coming this week.

 

[AJS]

Been using my Zion nearly exclusively since I got it. Used the Milaana once for a video (damn that thing is small in comparison) and the GH once on the way to the movies. Other than that it's all Zion.

I haven't had any issues with my heater automatically activating. I monitored it for a week and I think RBT is right that it'll only happen under extreme heat while also switching batteries. I avoid that as suggested and no problems so far. I'm no longer concerned. Maybe if I get my Zion super hot through a huge group sesh I wouldn't trust leaving the same batteries in if I left the house .. but I've yet to run into that situation. No worries here .. just a happy customer.

I paid $269 for my Zion which is cheaper than my Milaana and about same as my GH and I feel it's worth much much more. Couldn't be happier. My only concern is ... what do I do when my Splinter arrives? How do I decide which one comes out to play when they're essentially the same? Hmmmm. I'm sure I'll fall into a rhythm. I feel like I should sell my Milaanas but my Spalted is much too special to me. My backup will definitely hit the boxes tho and ship off to a lovely new owner. I just don't see much of a use for them...if I crank the temp up on either vape and pulse the trigger they're essentially just Milaanas ... ugh. For once ... I have the opposite of VAS. Instead of looking for vapes to buy I'm struggling to find the ones to sell. Welp.

 

[mucsusn]

Been using my Zion nearly exclusively since I got it. Used the Milaana once for a video (damn that thing is small in comparison) and the GH once on the way to the movies. Other than that it's all Zion.

I haven't had any issues with my heater automatically activating. I monitored it for a week and I think RBT is right that it'll only happen under extreme heat while also switching batteries. I avoid that as suggested and no problems so far. I'm no longer concerned. Maybe if I get my Zion super hot through a huge group sesh I wouldn't trust leaving the same batteries in if I left the house .. but I've yet to run into that situation. No worries here .. just a happy customer.

I paid $269 for my Zion which is cheaper than my Milaana and about same as my GH and I feel it's worth much much more. Couldn't be happier. My only concern is ... what do I do when my Splinter arrives? How do I decide which one comes out to play when they're essentially the same? Hmmmm. I'm sure I'll fall into a rhythm. I feel like I should sell my Milaanas but my Spalted is much too special to me. My backup will definitely hit the boxes tho and ship off to a lovely new owner. I just don't see much of a use for them...if I crank the temp up on either vape and pulse the trigger they're essentially just Milaanas ... ugh. For once ... I have the opposite of VAS. Instead of looking for vapes to buy I'm struggling to find the ones to sell. Welp.

Serious first world issues on your plate today

 

[AJS]

https://instagram.com/p/BaD4EUhgSOY/
Nothin special here just quick rip for anyone who wants to see!

 

[Healthierlifestyle]

My long awaited opinion and review after owning the zion after 1 month.

I originally was discouraged with news regarding the faulty wiring. With this information released, I Couldn't help but feel a bit skeptical in regards to #114 of my own. She still has no name and I am more than open to ideas for names! But anyways here's my review below.

For the first 3 days, I could not for the life of me get the technique of airflow/temp/bowl packing down for the life of me. This paired along with the news of faulty tech inside made me rethink in regards to whether or not the reason I am getting no vapor is that of my own technique or the vape itself.

On the fourth day it finally all started coming together! A quick preheat at the beginning of the session really helps get the ball rolling a lot quicker. What can I say about the zion that has not already been said. Definitely worth the wait. Having my crafty, vivant alternate, and Underdog log definitely helped me set and forget the fact that I was even waiting for this vape.

The vapor received from the amount of the herb put in is ridiculous. Just constant chucking of vapor from bowls no bigger than .15 if I was to guess. Not only was it an insane amount of vapor compared to when the same bowl was used in the crafty but the flavor on the zion is insane! Just delicious vapor throughout the entire session. I know find myself regularly reaching for the zion Before workouts or any vaping needs throughout the day. Quick and easy to use now. Definitely, a powerhouse for sure and I am glad to say I own one of these bad boys! Will work on getting images up as well for all those in need of a little zion porn.

Nothing but good words coming out of my mouth in regards to this vape.
Kudos to you RBT for your work!

And to those still waiting for their Zion's it's just around the bend ladies and gentlemen!

Cheers!

 

[Farkas]

Had another go last night. It's so easy to use and works so damn well. Thick vapor at my usual 75% power setting. Love this thing....

 

[AJS]

Sup

 

[KeroZen]

Oh my, this cannot be unseen! Two vapes actually having sex!!!

 

[AJS]

https://instagram.com/p/BaUd1KtAZtY/
Lil Zion action for you guys!

 

[IAmKrazy2]

Glad to see some happy customers, and some people with Zion's.

Splinter will be even more adjustable. The future of RBT heater tech. But this is the total package, beautiful from top to bottom. Zion will always rank as one of my favorites i believe.

 

[Healthierlifestyle]

Any recommendations for swapping out batteries? as in recommended Voltage to switch them out. I believe I read 3.7V in this thread somewhere but not too sure.

 

[KeroZen]

It's regulated so you don't get any drop in performance when the cells get low. You can discharge much lower, 3.7V is the nominal voltage of these cells. I go down to 3.4V.

 

[muunch]

Figured I'd ask Ryan about Zions, since most of the people here who were reporting progress have gotten theirs and we haven't heard much since the idle overheating issue.

He said an estimated2-4weeks for completion for Zion, but didn't give much besides that. I'm assuming the issue has been fixed but he seemed busy so I'll wait to hear more.

 

[AJS]

Wow guys. So I just did the powder technique with the Zion and holy fuck. Basically you pack a fat bowl, light heat hit it, then crumble the bowl into a powder. Hit again. And sweet Jesus. The vapor was so thick, like not a single thread of air was going through the herb without creating vapor. No dilution. Just pure pure thick fat vapor. Super lung buster. Checked the herb after. Still green/yellow without a single hotspot. Fuck me I love the Zion.

It's regulated so you don't get any drop in performance when the cells get low. You can discharge much lower, 3.7V is the nominal voltage of these cells. I go down to 3.4V.

I noticed a slight decline in performance. Checked batteries. They were at 3.74 or so. Maybe in my head .. but it's happened multiple times now. It seems to me there's a slight performance drop under 3.8...maybe type of batteries matter?

 

[Shit Snacks]

Wow guys. So I just did the powder technique with the Zion and holy fuck. Basically you pack a fat bowl, light heat hit it, then crumble the bowl into a powder. Hit again. And sweet Jesus. The vapor was so thick, like not a single thread of air was going through the herb without creating vapor. No dilution. Just pure pure thick fat vapor. Super lung buster. Checked the herb after. Still green/yellow without a single hotspot. Fuck me I love the Zion.



I noticed a slight decline in performance. Checked batteries. They were at 3.74 or so. Maybe in my head .. but it's happened multiple times now. It seems to me there's a slight performance drop under 3.8...maybe type of batteries matter?

There is supposed to be a voltage cut off at 3.7v to prevent over discharge of batts anyway (one of my betas actually cuts out at 3.5v, but they should be consistent at 3.7 now)

 

[AJS]

There is supposed to be a voltage cut off at 3.7v to prevent over discharge of batts anyway (one of my betas actually cuts out at 3.5v, but they should be consistent at 3.7 now)

Ah very true. I imagine it's like the Solo 2 in the sense it's regulated but but on the last bar there's a slower heatup.

 

[KeroZen]

Where did you get that 3.7V value? When we discussed this Ryan back then I told him it was way too high. Anyway it's not working in my two units. I got a drop in the alpha but that's because it regulates down to 6V and not 5V, so past 3.5V times two it's too low of a dropout voltage for the OKR (DC/DC converters operating in buck mode need Vin > Vout + Vdrop)

But yes there's that. My bad.

PS: for reference the e-cig mods cut between 3.1V (ex: evic VTC mini) and 3.4V... but that's a resting voltage, not the voltage under load. If Ryan really upped to 3.7V it's way too soon, that's the nominal voltage of these Li-Ion cells.

 

[AJS]

if Ryan really upped to 3.7V it's way too soon, that's the nominal voltage of these Li-Ion cells.

We put me to the test to drain mine below 3.7? Is this harmful at all? If not I'll do it tonight.

 

[KeroZen]

Yes that would be interesting for sure! They are specified by the manufacturers to discharge as low as 2.5V, but if you stop at 3.3V it's perfectly fine.