WTF Is Wrong With America And Gun Control?
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killick
But I like it!
Ha - our sgt did that on the range during basic training - a bit of a bitch to clean off a .50 gpmg barrel...
Our gun laws (Canada) aren't so much ancient as insane... Especially in bear country... And I get that city laws kinda need to be different from country laws (open carry in bear country is different from shopping at safeway in Toronto, for example)...
Our gun laws (Canada) aren't so much ancient as insane... Especially in bear country... And I get that city laws kinda need to be different from country laws (open carry in bear country is different from shopping at safeway in Toronto, for example)...
Farid
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I absolutely love going shooting, but I've always been too afraid of getting my license as I'm afraid of being a MMJ patient and a gun owner. If I didn't live in MA I wouldn't be so hesitant. Our gun laws here are pretty weird. Glocks are banned, but you can own one if it's preban. The magazine restrictions are pretty strict as well, but again, you can buy preban mags. I'd like to see some common sense gun laws like requiring an removable external safety on guns like Glocks when they're being stored, instead of just outright banning them.
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I notice there is another gun thread so I won't disrespect them and talk about this. They are the gun enthusiast thread which is different from this thread.
I have posted something similar in another thread. I just want to get this off my chest because it's been bothering me.
I go to a farmer's market for cannabis. They have their markets on Saturdays. Originally they wanted to have their market on their farm. The neighbors complained to the right people and they were forced to close it down. Then they wanted to have their market at the county fair grounds. Well the fair grounds wouldn't allow them to have it there because it was cannabis and not OK.
I go past the fair grounds on my way to the cannabis farmers market. They were forced to have their market at their dispensary which is too small and there isn't enough parking. At least once a month they have gun shows at the fair grounds. Which in my opinion doesn't have enough laws regulating them. Why would gun shows be allowed but not a medical farmers market? It just doesn't make sense to me, I just shake my head.
Access to medical cannabis and products will be difficult to get come July 2016 but I'm sure the guns shows will be continued at the fair grounds. Often without much thought and are they really following the laws?
I live in WA state and the laws vary from state to state.
I have posted something similar in another thread. I just want to get this off my chest because it's been bothering me.
I go to a farmer's market for cannabis. They have their markets on Saturdays. Originally they wanted to have their market on their farm. The neighbors complained to the right people and they were forced to close it down. Then they wanted to have their market at the county fair grounds. Well the fair grounds wouldn't allow them to have it there because it was cannabis and not OK.
I go past the fair grounds on my way to the cannabis farmers market. They were forced to have their market at their dispensary which is too small and there isn't enough parking. At least once a month they have gun shows at the fair grounds. Which in my opinion doesn't have enough laws regulating them. Why would gun shows be allowed but not a medical farmers market? It just doesn't make sense to me, I just shake my head.
Access to medical cannabis and products will be difficult to get come July 2016 but I'm sure the guns shows will be continued at the fair grounds. Often without much thought and are they really following the laws?
I live in WA state and the laws vary from state to state.
kellya86
Herb gardener...
This is why the rest of the world steriotypes you all as southern gun toting rednecks with no intelligence.
How many more of your children will be massacred before you realise things need to change.
It's makes me angry that the most powerful country in the world is also the most nieve.
I know your a young country but you really need to grow up.
Your average citizen does not need an assault rifle for any reason. Your not getting invaded.
How many more of your children will be massacred before you realise things need to change.
It's makes me angry that the most powerful country in the world is also the most nieve.
I know your a young country but you really need to grow up.
Your average citizen does not need an assault rifle for any reason. Your not getting invaded.
Melting Pot
Sick & Twisted
Beretta sub compact Px4 40 cal is my cary everywhere piece.
My most fun to shoot Benelli M4 by far my fav 12g & stndard weapon for US Marine's
Full auto P90
Barret 50
Larrs 45 mag
Scarr 308 not full auto or would of been higher on list.
Good friend has quite the collection we like to blow off some rounds ( steam) Lol
My most fun to shoot Benelli M4 by far my fav 12g & stndard weapon for US Marine's
Full auto P90
Barret 50
Larrs 45 mag
Scarr 308 not full auto or would of been higher on list.
Good friend has quite the collection we like to blow off some rounds ( steam) Lol
Gonzo
Slightly Stoopid
I actually started that thread without realizing that this one already existed.
I am a firearms enthusiast but still believe in sensible gun laws.
The gun show loophole is definitely one that should be closed as well as mandatory waiting periods expiring. Even these common sense approaches seem unable to get traction though. Politicians need to be reminded who it is they represent.
I am a firearms enthusiast but still believe in sensible gun laws.
The gun show loophole is definitely one that should be closed as well as mandatory waiting periods expiring. Even these common sense approaches seem unable to get traction though. Politicians need to be reminded who it is they represent.
ragnorak71
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they know whom they represent, it is not their fault that the public are stupid enough to think they are the ones being represented
we just vote in new overlords for 5 years, the rest of the shit stays the same
we just vote in new overlords for 5 years, the rest of the shit stays the same
1DMF
Old School Cheesy Quaver
I've always got a loaded gun in my pocket, no wait that's not a gun, I'm just pleased to see you
Melting Pot
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Thats fucking hilarious...
kellya86
Herb gardener...
Sorry melting pot. I'm not bashing guns here, just the laws surrounding them. I truly believe the no one needs an assult rifle. They are made for one thing, not hunting and not target sport.
I have a collection of legal firearms, I live in the uk where we have sensible laws about guns. There is no chance of a kid taking an m16 to school here.
Yet people can still hunt and target shoot. Why would I need a weapon primary designed for mowing down humans.
@1DMF, I think that's called a derringer
I have a collection of legal firearms, I live in the uk where we have sensible laws about guns. There is no chance of a kid taking an m16 to school here.
Yet people can still hunt and target shoot. Why would I need a weapon primary designed for mowing down humans.
@1DMF, I think that's called a derringer
OF
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Do you really think that's the majority opinion of citizens here? "Common sense" gun laws have been proven time and time again to be anything but. They don't lessen crime, the facts show. Honest folks are already honest, criminals already ignoring laws they don't like and are unlikely to change. They get smuggled/stolen guns. They don't buy from gun shows or gun shops.
Politicians might be corrupt but they're not stupid. If the poll numbers showed it possible (because voters supported it) do you really think they would hesitate?
Do you really think we can keep drug dealers from getting guns in a world awash with heroin? You only need to smuggle a gun once, you need to move fresh drugs every day?
I think it's really a matter of a lot of good folks coming to different conclusions than you. They fear registration since the nearly universal experience with such lists is they are used to take guns away. Our own government even got into this. They used Nazi compiled lists to go door to door at the end of the war, I had a Gunsmith friend (now long dead) that had just such a .22 rifle. He bought it from a GI who was given it by a German citizen literally as the crews were clearing guns from the next block over.....he'd rather give the rifle his grandfather gave him as a child to 'his enemy' than have it destroyed.
Don't say 'it can't happen here', it just hasn't yet?
Aren't you in the UK? Not America, let alone the US? You don't have such rights under the Constitution there? Hasn't nobility traditionally controlled arms in the hands of the subjects (both ways, mandating peasants arm themselves and practice martial arts when it suited them)? Different rules here, no subjects.
While nobody needs to be permanently armed (remember we arm all our police, park rangers, EPA officials and a bunch of similar Government employees here) of course. Take for instance the UK, no guns? Yet over twice the rate of criminal assault with hands and feet? To people there have more hands and feet than here? It's not a tool that is the problem, it's the (criminal) actions of some folks.
Consider our Florida experience a while back. Small time armed robberies and especially RAPE became all the rage. The State started training women to pack and defend themselves, 20,000 in the first pass. Word got out as dangerous innocent victims started interfering with the program. For a brief time they started targeting rental cars and out of state plates (no permits....), but that didn't last. Took 'the percentages' out of being a criminal, they moved on. Having the occasional victim shoot back is a buzz kill for them. "Foxes prefer rabbits with no claws".
There is abundant, peer reviewed, research showing concealed carry of guns by law abiding citizens actually makes real communities safer here. The most dangerous places to live in the US (like Chicago, say) have the nations most restrictive gun laws.......lest you jump to the wrong idea here, the murders came before 'the common sense gun laws' (that are failing). Studies show changing local laws and allowing CCW (Carry Concealed Weapons permit) lowers existing violence overall. Banning guns just gives the drug dealers a safer workplace, really.
And I try to remain conscious that I'm fairly safe where I live. For instance, there are single mothers with little money living in conditions I'm not willing to with children to protect from very real threats. Who am I to interfere with her efforts?
OF
kellya86
Herb gardener...
@CarolKing, I can't believe that, I had you down as a cool controlled type. Your posts are always so calm and calculated. And you always seem to be the voice of reason.
We have knifes in the uk but iv never got so angry iv considered grabbing a knife. Actually saying that I have a huge throwing knife which has made it into a few doors before in anger. But never ever at a human.
If you can switch in anger and take a life I think you shouldn't be a member of society.
@OF sounds like a cop out too me, what something is too hard to fix so just give up.
We have knifes in the uk but iv never got so angry iv considered grabbing a knife. Actually saying that I have a huge throwing knife which has made it into a few doors before in anger. But never ever at a human.
If you can switch in anger and take a life I think you shouldn't be a member of society.
@OF sounds like a cop out too me, what something is too hard to fix so just give up.
h3rbalist
I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I wouldn't take a life. I'm very non violent. Some people though if they get really angry are more apt to use a gun if it's handy. Not "just regular folks"but people that have them in their cars and on their bodies. I get that people need to protect themselves. Some really angry, insane people go to extremes and shouldn't have access.
Melting Pot
Sick & Twisted
I always look at it like 4×4, 4 wheel drive id ratther have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
@kelly86 it was just the statement that had me laughing.
I'm disabled recent Ohs I cant defend my self the way I used to be.
Ive been in many heated situation's where I had to warn I'm armed if you continue it will not be pretty.
As far as Assault riffles their are idiots everywhere and in all aspects of life i dont need anyone looking out for my best interest. Im fucking sick of it.
Do this do that dont do that who the fuck are you to tell me what the fuck i can have what i cant have and how to do it.
Just another piece of our freedom were being denied.
With all that said we need some kind of change taking my guns and my rights isn't one of them...
If you take our guns the only who will have is cops & crooks.
@kelly86 it was just the statement that had me laughing.
I'm disabled recent Ohs I cant defend my self the way I used to be.
Ive been in many heated situation's where I had to warn I'm armed if you continue it will not be pretty.
As far as Assault riffles their are idiots everywhere and in all aspects of life i dont need anyone looking out for my best interest. Im fucking sick of it.
Do this do that dont do that who the fuck are you to tell me what the fuck i can have what i cant have and how to do it.
Just another piece of our freedom were being denied.
With all that said we need some kind of change taking my guns and my rights isn't one of them...
If you take our guns the only who will have is cops & crooks.
Farid
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I am very pro gun rights, but that isn't the best argument. By that argument, we should all be allowed to have weaponized anthrax.
My problem with gun laws is that they are written by people with no knowledge of firearms. Calling a weapon an assault rifle because it has a pistol grip or other cosmetic features is absurd.
So we all agree the US will never be invaded because we all have too many guns and they would be insane to attempt it?
The answer then is to take away the guns because they are not being needed?
Apply that logic to schools and I can't help think that when my daughter starts school soon, I would feel better if the teachers there were highly trained and equiped to protect kids...
That might make it so any whacko shooter would be "crazy" to do anything so stupid, at a school..
Omg I think I just agreed with Ted Nugent.
The answer then is to take away the guns because they are not being needed?
Apply that logic to schools and I can't help think that when my daughter starts school soon, I would feel better if the teachers there were highly trained and equiped to protect kids...
That might make it so any whacko shooter would be "crazy" to do anything so stupid, at a school..
Omg I think I just agreed with Ted Nugent.
1DMF
Old School Cheesy Quaver
Don't you mean blunderbuss cheeky!
They call that a 'bad shot'!
@OF
I hope you aren't taking what Ben Swan said in relation to Piers Morgan? : http://blog.skepticallibertarian.co...e-uk-really-5-times-more-violent-than-the-us/
USA is also called 'land of the free', yet incarcerate more of its population than any other country.
Personally I'm glad it's not easy to get hold of a gun, as I'd have no problem blowing Tony Blair's head off (or George W. Bush's for that matter!)
OF
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Nope, didn't see it. I'm talking from past experience.
I did, many years ago, spend some time in the UK. To be honest I felt safer 'back home' than with the Cockney Lads I was drinking with. Getting beat up (including having some other citizen 'put the boot in') was a common theme. Both ways.
Did you know honest citizens here shoot seven times more bad guys than the cops? 'Cops are never around when you need them', but victims are usually right at hand. Interviews in prisons show time and again bad guys fear armed citizens far more than armed cops. Cops play by rules, threatened citizens often just shoot.......and the bad guys know it. IMO that's the important message, and guys thinking of harming others the important target of that insight. We hold our mass shootings in 'gun free zones' you know, evil people aren't stupid (at least not all).
The Swiss, with their high rates of social responsibility, own a LOT of assault rifles, right? What's the story there? If the intimate object (the guns, real assault rifles (full auto) in this case, not the semi autos mislabeled ARs for political effect) in wide spread ownership in the hands of good guys was the real problem, why not there? We were warned by those who would take away other's guns (notice how many of them have armed guards (often at public expense) and live in gated communities) warned us loud and clear that Florida would become "the Gunshine State" (a play on words for their state motto, 'the Sunshine State'. Blood in the streets, schools shot up, the lot. Never happened. We have experimental evidence to use, no need to resort to emotional opinions.
The UK has a subset of the freedoms we enjoy I think, therefore also has a subset of the problems they bring. We have poverty, lots of folks in prison for crossing the lines, and still folks are wanting to break in. Paying thousands of dollars they don't have to be smuggled across the border. I'm happy to be a responsible citizen here. And I'm guided by our national origin and experience. Ever read what the Founding Fathers had to say about individuals owning guns? Wise guys, you know.
BTW, we 'cook the books' on gun crime here too. If two drug dealers kill each other, since they know each other they get put in the family gun deaths score. Seriously. We also count young people up to 24 in some cases as 'children' to make those numbers into better sound bites. And we include suicides often. Go figure. The real numbers are out there, but.........
Thanks for the link, I hadn't see it.
OF
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