WTF Is Wrong With America And Gun Control?

[kellya86]

Why do they need guns to defend themselves. Bunch of pussies. In uk we just have a fight, face to face and move on. Maybe get stabbed. It takes a coward to stand 100m away and pull a trigger. Sums up America really. All the firepower is to compensate for the fact they are weak.
I wonder how Americans think the rest of the world see them, do they think we all look up to them thinking wow they are so powerful and great.
In reality they are portrayed to us as stupid, unhealthy, gun toting rednecks. This is what family guy and south park show us. As they are the only American shows on uk tv that take the piss out of America.
You are not the world police. Far from it.

And as for 911. Your own government is more to blame than any foreign threat. Where was the bin laden family on 911?

 

[CarolKing]

I think South Park and Family guy are a satirical look at America. I hope others aren't getting their opinions by those two shows. I agree America shouldn't be acting like the World police. We need to let these countries deal with their own problems. I always wonder about the the United Nations what the hell do they accomplish? It seems like they could have more a part in trying to help some of these countries resolve some of their issues.

I'm sure plenty of people from other countries get pissed at how America thinks they can ride in on a white hat and solve all the countries problems. It's not always done for good reasons either. Think about Iraq we wanted their oil. Before the Iraq war I wasn't so jaded. I am angry that we let so many woman and men go to their deaths. Many came back without body parts and brain traumas. You can blame Bush for that one.

I feel that at times America gets involved because they truly want to help others that are in need of help.

America needs to think about how we can live in a safe country and allow some gun rights for its citizens. We need to get a handle on the mental illness in this country. We've become so used to school shootings here. It's become a national epidemic. We shouldn't get used to hearing about a mass shooting. It should horrify us every single time it happens.

 

[kellya86]

I feel that at times America gets involved because they truly want to help others that are in need of help.

You seem to be very wise and I agree with almost all your posts. But this, I'm afraid I do not agree with. It's just a front so they can carry on trying to rule the world and own all its assets. I don't think America thinks of anyone else. Or cares. I know this first hand as I used to work in the American defence industry. And I know that America care about no body but itself. Signed the secrets act so that's as far as that goes. But I am under no illusion that America cares about anyone but itself.

 

[1DMF]

United Nations what the hell do they accomplish?

Exactly, they are meant to be the world police, bloody useless!

USA should not be on the front line defending the western world, NATO & UN is meant to be for that and its about time the UN got off its arse and actually did something for once!

I think South Park and Family guy are a satirical look at America

Really, and there was me thinking Family Guy was a fly-on-the-wall documentary, highlighting the average American family and their values.

Where all coppers are bent, all next door neighbours are sex pests and most yanks are fat retards, with a gay baby and and an ugly daughter. (though a rather hot wife?)

That's like USA thinking all brits are like carry on films

Edit:- ^^^ Actually you'd still think that watching Family Guy, does anyone in the UK have a decent set of gnashers? according to FG, NO!

 

[kellya86]

Ha it's funny how they portray the English. And they have a point about the teeth. In one of the few countries where dental care is free if you can't afford it, there is no excuse. But just watch an episode of Jeremy kyle and see the state of some people. I have good teeth but know people who don't. No excuse.

 

[Joel W.]

Your own government is more to blame than any foreign threat.

. Now you are making me feel like I don't have enough guns.

Yes, my Ar is not used for hunting,( it can be) it has one purpose. It has been to the gun range a few times and hopefully that is the last time I ever have to look at it.

I don't believe "emergency services" will be there when I really need them most..

Edit: When the history channel started airing the road warrior movie, I started buying guns again.

 

[kellya86]

See that's sad to me that you have no intention of using your weapon for any sort of sport or just fun at a range. It's purely there to kill any intruders.
If no body had guns then you wouldn't need guns to defend yourself. And if your argument is to stop any possible future government oppression, you will need more than your ar.
I will admit I love shooting and own a few weapons. But only single shot rifles and co2 handguns. As that's all that's legal here. I would struggle to carry out a massacre with my weapons, but still get to enjoy shooting.
If I had to defend myself for some reason in my home I would not go for the guns. I'd grab a bat or knife. As the guns are not powerful enough to caus any real harm.
I think the UK has it right.

 

[Joel W.]

Sometimes just having it is enough to stop someone from doing something stupid, be it my government, intruders or whatever.

I prefer to shoot air rifles. There is zero kick, superior accuracy, extreme power and they are whisper quiet.

 

[howie105]

See that's sad to me that you have no intention of using your weapon for any sort of sport or just fun at a range. It's purely there to kill any intruders.
If no body had guns then you wouldn't need guns to defend yourself. And if your argument is to stop any possible future government oppression, you will need more than your ar.
I will admit I love shooting and own a few weapons. But only single shot rifles and co2 handguns. As that's all that's legal here. I would struggle to carry out a massacre with my weapons, but still get to enjoy shooting.
If I had to defend myself for some reason in my home I would not go for the guns. I'd grab a bat or knife. As the guns are not powerful enough to caus any real harm.
I think the UK has it right.

The web is free and you can have any opinion you want, for whatever its worth.

 

[robm321]

The UK may have it right, but I enjoy the freedom to choose. I like how it is here. But then hasn't America always been rebellious against government taking away freedoms compared to the UK? I like freedom of choice regardless of what the cost. I'd rather government employees not parent me and tell me how to live my life.

Just my opinion. These discussions are interesting, but they never really change people's minds I've noticed.

 

[Joel W.]

I think these threads can change minds. I go back and forth personally. I know I can't argue logically with the sheer numbers here in the US and more guns sounds absurd to me.

I don't want to sell my guns as they could fall into the wrong hands. I do like the buyback programs if they actually get destroyed but I am not passionate about guns, like most Americans.

 

[bella]

So, how do you make a country with a massive gun culture embrace gun control? Where do you start? I am interested to hear from people who love their guns and don't want restrictions. How would they go about stopping such massaces? Is any level of gun control acceptable?

It's easy to say 'ban the guns' but very hard to actually carry out such a plan in a country that is full of guns and gun enthusiasts.

 

[grokit]

I think these threads can change minds. I go back and forth personally. I know I can't argue logically with the sheer numbers here in the US and more guns sounds absurd to me.

I don't want to sell my guns as they could fall into the wrong hands. I do like the buyback programs if they actually get destroyed but I am not passionate about guns, like most Americans.

I'm right there with you. I like guns, and am good at shooting them. But I really don't anymore, and just owning them even if its just a couple is still a big responsibility. I'm probably going to put mine on consignment downtown at some point, when I get around to it. I go back and forth too!

So, how do you make a country with a massive gun culture embrace gun control? Where do you start? I am interested to hear from people who love their guns and don't want restrictions. How would they go about stopping such massaces? Is any level of gun control acceptable?

It's easy to say 'ban the guns' but very hard to actually carry out such a plan in a country that is full of guns and gun enthusiasts.

Enforcing existing laws, federal database/background checks, close the gun show loophole.
Easy!

 

[CarolKing]

You could sell your guns and by more vaporizers.

 

[bella]

@grokit so why aren't these things being done? I'm not trying to be a dick or have a go at you, i'm genuinely interested. It can be difficult for us non-americans to make sense of how these things work...

@CarolKing i like the way you think

 

[grokit]

@grokit so why aren't these things being done?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2015/1005/Hillary-Clinton-gun-plan-Is-it-feasible

 

[kellya86]

If your reluctant to change gun laws because it would be to difficult then stop trying to change the rest of the world and address your own issues first. What you can't control your own gun laws but you want to control the middle east. Your all to happy to stick your nose in to everything else exept your own problems. I hate the American government. Lying bunch of hypocritical pricks. Think you are better than everyone else. Well the next 100 years belongs to China. So move over yanks, your time is over. That's another thing. You want to tell us all to be Green and save the world but you won't say shit to China about their industrial revolution causing the majority of the problem.
I'm not having ago at American people here. Just your government. Saying it's imposible to change the laws is a cop out. It was impossible to find weapons of mass distruction in Iraq, but you still tried.

 

[bella]

@grokit thanks for the link!
Is this what you think is going to happen? What do you think the response would be?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

We got fencing around the house (6 feet) and a dog with a mean bark. Still, we've had people hop over and steal stuff twice now. One was an expensive $1800 torch setup, another was tons of recycling (cans and stuff) located literally 2 feet from a door to our house (that was locked anyways). That + coyotes and wild dogs is why we have guns. We're not the only ones, neighbors around also have had stuff stolen from them, and even out of RV's in their driveways. They too have stuff.

re: China, their GDP has been growing in part due to the ghost cities they keep building and can't fill. Lots of people from that way are buying up pricey and prime locations in the US (NYC, SF, etc) as investments.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/07/20/what-will-become-of-chinas-ghost-cities/



I know some states are surprisingly lax about private sales of guns and stuff. I wouldn't be opposed to implementing some sort of national system to verify buyers. You have to go through hoops here in California, wait 10 days, checks, etc. before you can purchase.

Where was the bin laden family on 911?

I'm not sure if you're aware but the rest of the bin Laden family basically disowned Osama bin Laden before he did any of the terrorist shit. The bin Laden family also happens to be the biggest construction firm in the world. The FAA and FBI knew they were leaving days after it happened, they screened every one of them... And while I don't want to start some flame war, I noticed you're in England...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/06/britain-s-horrific-vip-pedophile-cover-up.html

Y'all got some sketchy individuals in power as well (to be fair some have died)...

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy...search_the_mountain_of_evidence_for_a/c9hrii2

 

[1DMF]

Y'all got some sketchy individuals in power as well (to be fair some have died)...

Interesting on the reddit link it says...

THE LINCOLN, NEBRASKA SCANDAL
From here on out the post gets more surreal. These child abuse and pedophile rings are not by any means limited to Europe. Rather, the United States has perhaps the biggest child trafficking epidemic in the world. "

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Interesting on the reddit link it says...

THE LINCOLN, NEBRASKA SCANDAL
From here on out the post gets more surreal. These child abuse and pedophile rings are not by any means limited to Europe. Rather, the United States has perhaps the biggest child trafficking epidemic in the world. "

And you bet the cartels are behind part of it. They nailed another couple of Mexican Mafia members doing stuff here in my hometown last year. They're out as far as top of the east coast, some of them.

The last post contains this:

"For example, I have not even touched pedophile rings in the United Kingdom, of which there are many well documented cases I hope that every single person who reads this post will be spurred to do further research, and help bring to light the child holocaust that is happening under our noses. I will end this post with a list of questions for further thought."

So there's a lot more information out there to be obtained. It's everywhere. It's so fucked up.

Buuuuut we're getting kind of off-topic (and that was my fault I think -___- ) so you can pry this shotgun from my cold dead hands

 

[lwien]

I'm not having ago at American people here. Just your government.

You SHOULD have a go at the American people for it is we that put these pricks in office. Our government, for the most part, is nothing more than a reflection.

For me, I abhor fundamentalism regardless who practices it, be it Muslims, Christians, constitutionalists, and yes.........Amercian fundamentalism.

The whole issue in regards to gun control is how the second amendment is understood, and how it's understood today is NOT how it was understood even just 30 years ago let alone when it was originally drafted. The way I see it, unless we can change how we interpret it, then the amendment itself needs to be changed.

 

[grokit]

10 Disturbing Facts Most Americans Are Too Fearful To Face

 

[Crohnie]

Did you know it wasn't until 2008 that the Supreme Court ruled that an individual right to keep and bear arms existed? Before District of Columbia vs. Heller, the default interpretation has been that there was a collective right for the militia (citizen army) to own firearms "necessary to the security of a free state." Notice how it does NOT say necessary for the security of citizens against a "tyrannical" government. The SCOTUS decision was 5-4 in favor of an individual right.

I agree with their decision. Although the US no longer has citizen army/militias, can any reasonable person believe that the founding fathers of the 18th Century only meant for members of the militia to be able to keep and bear arms and no one else? That said, no right mentioned by the US Constitution is absolute...not even the 1st Amendment right to free speech. Even though it states that the right "may not be abridged" One may not slander or libel, or incite violence with speech. The 2nd Amendment states that the right to keep and bear arms "shall not be infringed". If there are reasonable limits on free speech, why can't there be reasonable limits on bearing arms?

 

[Joel W.]

There is no Militia today because we are not being invaded at home now.

.If we were invaded today, there would be a citizen Militia later this afternoon.

My guess says the enemy most likely will be carrying automatic rifles.

Should we use muskets again? They won't be.

Edit: If I was going to invade a country, I would pick a country where legal guns do not out number it's citizens. It's been 203 years since the first and last invasion here.