i get what u are saying, but imo the sanely openness line is crossed by bringing up false facts without any proof or source.
no doubt, an interesting study with positive and negative hints for future research, but the statistical approach has its benefits (many discoverys base on that) and weaknesses like the depth of the data eg dosage - maybe the increased stroke rate had something to do with high doses...
? - the study has a time frame of 2007 till 2011 so it probably changed a bit since, oil pens and so on...
would be no trouble even with good old newton, same for the planet falling on the apple - but there is still the probabillity of a snake giving the apple to adam and eve before it falls
yes, senseless circular debate...no sorry that wasn't directed towards you - it's more a common stereotype that is used far too often to make false claims look credible, some people claim to have witnessed such things even at presidential debates
I disagree, even the bible is full of canna-inspiration (jump to MARIJUANA AS THE CHRISTIAN SACRAMENT).
I thought this was kind of a joke. But it's not. Apparently there's a lot of data to indicate that in ancient Egypt and Israel cannabis was used medicinally and recreationally. And there's references in the bible and talmud. But it's banned in both countries now. Interesting info grokit.What a great thread, been meaning to catch up on this finally doing it. But for now I will say that I am for sure in the camp that all cannabis use is medical, even if you don't know it at the time you're using it.
I disagree, even the bible is full of canna-inspiration (jump to MARIJUANA AS THE CHRISTIAN SACRAMENT).
I'll just leave this here for now
So is all opioid use medical? Just because something as medical effects, doesn't mean it's use can't be for recreational purposes ("recreational use"). Adding the word "use" to the terms "recreational"/"medical" indicated that you're referring to the purpose of its use.What a great thread, been meaning to catch up on this finally doing it. But for now I will say that I am for sure in the camp that all cannabis use is medical, even if you don't know it at the time you're using it.
I disagree, even the bible is full of canna-inspiration (jump to MARIJUANA AS THE CHRISTIAN SACRAMENT).
I'll just leave this here for now
I usually agree with your posts and I do agree about opoids. But apparently there is quite a bit of info out there- especially by biblical scholars- that indicate that cannabis was used within the culture and is in the old testament. I don't know if the specific posts grokit mentioned are the ones that talk about cannabis but they have been studied. And just because something was used by people thousands of years ago doesn't mean it is healthy. But it is in the old testament. I guess how one views that depends on how literally someone takes the bible. Which I don't.
I don't doubt that Cannabis was used in those times, or even that it might be in the Bible under different names, but I don't believe that those specific quotes were mostly about Cannabis.
It's very useful if used properly. In fact, it may be the oldest & most powerful medicine we know of
I think you misunderstood what I was getting at. I am not against opioid use, nor am I saying it doesn't have very useful medical potential. What I am saying, is that using it to get stoned isn't what I'd classify as "medical use". I'd consider that "recreational use" of a drug that has medical potential.It's very useful if used properly. In fact, it may be the oldest & most powerful medicine we know of
"Opium is mentioned in the most important medical texts of the ancient world, including the Ebers Papyrus and the writings of Dioscorides, Galen, and Avicenna. Widespread medical use of unprocessed opium continued through the American Civil War before giving way to morphine and its successors..."
Opiates are the only substance that will disconnect the mind from the central nervous system, and besides pain can they can be very helpful for anxiety, insomnia, and emotional support & balance. Precisely because it's really hard to get a prescription for opiates for any condition besides acute pain, some suffering people end up self-medicating with heroin. Their usage would be completely safe with medically supervised dosage, with less side-effects that ssri's or 'atypical anti-pstchotics', the two classes of drugs used for anxiety.
Right but alcohol is a neurotoxin, while cannabis has neuroprotective properties
I don't think there's any objection to people enjoying their meds. But I think it's a stretch to say that it has medicinal effects for every recreational user whether they know it or not.I understand your perspective @EverythingsHazy, but still wonder why medical use, and enjoyment of any substance has to be mutually exclusive. Why can't we enjoy our medicine? It makes me think of a certain flying nanny with her spoonful of sugar, cannabis is way better for you than sugar is, so, um ... what was I talking about again? It's been too long since I've last medicated, so I'll have to get back to you on that.
Right but alcohol is a neurotoxin, while cannabis has neuroprotective properties
Sorry for the late replies, still catching up!
Europe gives addicts a safe space to medicate, with medically supervised and controlled dosages that do reduce harm, much better than anything we've tried. Of course our methods are much more exploitative, and therefore profitable. What we do is over-correct every couple of decades so we can 'help' the patients caught up in the crossfire. If you're an opiate manufacturer you can't make a profit because the patents are all played out, but you have the most physically addictive drug known to humanity. So how about spinning off franchised pain management and addiction rehab facilities, there's much more profit in that. And of course all of the drug warriors need something else to hone in on now, with cannabis being legalized.237,000,000 opioid prescriptions in a year. What happened to the "do no harm" mantra? Way overkill and this does kill thousands
Opioids are one tool in the medical toolbox, and they have a place for serious serious pain etc.
The trouble is that many docs use it as a primary tool, where many conditions don't need this level of power and this level of fatal side effects.
On an average day in the U.S.: More than 650,000 opioid prescriptions dispensed.
Source: IMS Health National Prescription Audit1 / SAMHSA National Survey on Drug Use and Health2 / CDC National Vital Statistics System3
That is 237,000,000 opioid prescriptions in a year. What happened to the "do no harm" mantra? Way overkill and this does kill thousands
What is the strength of current med practice? Acute care;
Acute care is a branch of secondary health care where a patient receives active but short-term treatment for a severe injury or episode of illness, an urgent medical condition, or during recovery from surgery.
Our acute care is generally excellent. Installing heart stents is almost an outpatient task
Our preventative medicine is bad though. We seem to have the very little emphasis on prevention and cannabis is showing itself to be a superb preventative /wellness agent. This is where all med cannabis programs fall short and why we need full legal.
Try applying for a med cannabis program where you want to micro-dose for wellness, to tune your own ECS, so your body systems work toward homeostasis . Reject that app...
I received an email from our medical insurance company (Anthem) touting how awesome they are at fighting the opioid crisis.
I remember posting about this in another thread. I mentioned Marijuanas self defense mechanisms which I'd heard included attracting carnivores to it's vicinity w it's aroma/munchies to scare away herbivores. LOL, Another feminine trait, right?
