Discontinued VRIPtech Heating Wand

[ShadowVape]

Dang 25.7% Dutch Treat sounds like a treat indeed! Thanks Niall for holding it down sounds like you're dialing in nicely nano-macro. You should only need to crack the seal from time to time if you're still milking it up and just need to take a breath or answer an interloper's question ha! Why does wifey always have a question for me mid-Vrip? If you just crack the seal you can still keep the glands melty so when you seal back all the way you're back off to milking it faster. Also be aware faster pull rate = lower apparent temp and slower pull rate = higher apparent temp --- armed with these techniques you can milk it perfect to your liking. We know it works, but we're still doing A LOT of testing.

And best to turn it down for extended stand-by mode and leave it horizontal on a heat proof surface instead of inverted in a stand or mug although the stand or mug are great for faster heat ups or typical in and out usage for sessioning. Also, some prefer the higher stored heat from a stand heat up to get it going faster with a more rapid pull from the jump instead of a slower milk-up. It's your session, your ritual and preferences we're just providing the tools so really no wrong or right just preferences.

For sure we'll honor the original warranty as long as it wasn't abused. The glass would be beyond warranty by now, but the electronics/element are protected for a year from original purchase. Just ask whoever you bought it from to give you the original catalog sales receipt if you can or if not just tell Shadow at info@vriptech.com Mark said we had your back on FC.com and you'll be sorted if any issues. Stoked you've found your way to VRIP Flavor Country!

 

[stickstones]

So I tried some Jaegermeister topped off with some Aculpulco Gold kief and almost overdid it like with concentrates. Most powerful bowl ever!

I've got my high temp technique down...now on to the lower temps. I've also started using it on my bubbler like all my other vapes so I can more easily compare results. I really dig this vape!

 

[nano-macro]

Dang 25.7% Dutch Treat sounds like a treat indeed! Thanks Niall for holding it down sounds like you're dialing in nicely nano-macro. You should only need to crack the seal from time to time if you're still milking it up and just need to take a breath or answer an interloper's question ha! Why does wifey always have a question for me mid-Vrip? If you just crack the seal you can still keep the glands melty so when you seal back all the way you're back off to milking it faster. Also be aware faster pull rate = lower apparent temp and slower pull rate = higher apparent temp --- armed with these techniques you can milk it perfect to your liking. We know it works, but we're still doing A LOT of testing.

And best to turn it down for extended stand-by mode and leave it horizontal on a heat proof surface instead of inverted in a stand or mug although the stand or mug are great for faster heat ups or typical in and out usage for sessioning. Also, some prefer the higher stored heat from a stand heat up to get it going faster with a more rapid pull from the jump instead of a slower milk-up. It's your session, your ritual and preferences we're just providing the tools so really no wrong or right just preferences.

For sure we'll honor the original warranty as long as it wasn't abused. The glass would be beyond warranty by now, but the electronics/element are protected for a year from original purchase. Just ask whoever you bought it from to give you the original catalog sales receipt if you can or if not just tell Shadow at info@vriptech.com Mark said we had your back on FC.com and you'll be sorted if any issues. Stoked you've found your way to VRIP Flavor Country!

Thanks for the reply. I have it dialed in pretty nice now. I'm using a very tall and wide bore straight sided bong so high pull rate is what gets it milking after the warm up of the biomass and the glass.

I have been doing the heat settings for standby just as you said. I wish the heater long life!

Cool on the warranty. It was in perfect shape and not abused, and I don't expect a warranty on glass.

I'm getting the perk water tool soon from the user I got the vape from, so I will have an optimal experience. As if it already doesn't work well, right,?

The Dutch treat is gone but have some killer super silver haze that smells a bit like bubblegum and sweet fruit at the moment. It helped me through the nausea of this cold/stomach bug I'm getting over.

Edit: I did a tiny mod by placing a fine screen over the glass screen to both prevent debris in the honey oil in the stem and to improve heating speed with the slight reduction in airflow. It hits just as good three notches down from max where I like it, but starts producing vapor much sooner. First pull instead of third pull.

The screen was leftover from the firefly vape I returned since it didn't suit my use patterns. Just had to trim about 0.5 mm off the edges to get it to sit flat and fit properly

 

[nano-macro]

Quick gif of me hitting the vhw with vcb

http://gfycat.com/PopularDecisiveAmericanshorthair

 

[Hot Dog Day 187]

I'm a bit confused when looking at the order page, you need at least one of the bowls as well as the heat wand to get a working setup. that's okay, but is there really a $80 minimum on the bowls?
im careful with my vapes but still manage to break glass somewhat regularly so the idea of a $80 bowl is a little scary!

 

[nano-macro]

I'm a bit confused when looking at the order page, you need at least one of the bowls as well as the heat wand to get a working setup. that's okay, but is there really a $80 minimum on the bowls?
im careful with my vapes but still manage to break glass somewhat regularly so the idea of a $80 bowl is a little scary!

There is a combo with wand and bowl for $240 and if either the upper or lower piece breaks you can replace the individual half for less than $80

 

[nano-macro]

Any hints on technique for the Perk water tool with vhw? My 20" tall wide bore bong works way better and doesn't starve me of air as I fill it up. The vapor just doesn't seem to form as well with the perk piece and I was hoping it would be better since it was designed for this system.

 

[lazylathe]

Decided to take my VRIP off the classifieds!
Been hitting it all night and it is absolutely perfect!
Since getting my new grinder i find it has changed my experience with a lot of my vapes!
All positive!!

 

[organic weed]

Hello people, I've just bought one VRIP but I have an exchange with a forist and he told me that wand has silicon gas offgassing. The wand from what I understood is attached to another piece with silicone and if you run the wand at mid-high to high temperature, within 1 months the silicone is gone... is that true? That woud be a hige bummer... does anybody had any similar experience?

 

[stickstones]

@lazylathe I would never let mine go! I try to only use it on special occasions, but now I find I'm breaking it out more often and especially when I want a monster rip! That massive bowl hits me like no other...

@organic weed - I don't see how that could be possible. This is the purest air path I have in my collection.

 

[ShadowVape]

Good to have you dialed back in lazylathe and absolutely with a mostly convective vape like VRIP a good grind increasing the surface area of the glands exposed to the heat flow will make a night and day difference! Jason King of Cannabible fame was never fond of grinders as he thought they "ate" the glands (you do lose some) so would favor packing a bowl in the VRIP, vaping on it accepting your first pulls wouldn't milk as nice yet be more aromatic (mostly ,terpenes), crunching up your packed and now slightly dried out bowl with a poker for the second pull and then getting to the milked up full spectrum goods without losing any glands to a grinder. Here we just grind to go milky on the first pulls and clean the grinder goo from time to time and fight over who gets to pack it on top of their bowl!

What up organic weed? Not sure who the forist you're talking to is or how much experience they have with the VRIP kit or how well they read the instructions, but there are some important contextual considerations to the statement he made.

First, the silicon tip seal (either the legacy one made from clear medical grade silicon hose cut to a ring or the new 4.2 "patch" tip seal that was originally viton and then replaced with a higher temp medical grade silicon) is an EXTERNAL seal so not in the path of your convective hot air or extracted vapor flow. They are both "boiled" to remove any of the vegetable oil used as a release agent during manufacturing and to minimize off-gassing due to heat to a little CO2 and water that will only come off on the first few uses at operating temps (harmless but you can smell it if you have a sensitive nose the first few times you heat the wand up).

Second, either tip seal we offer is optional now with the new 4.2 VCBs so you can run it glass on glass with no tip seal at all and many customers do --- you'll just likely have to run a slightly higher temp because the seal isn't perfect and you have to hold the wand straight whereas with either seal you have a more forgiving hold angle and it will still seal.

And third, the only way someone is melting through silicon tip seals in one month is by leaving the wand on a high heat setting inverted in our stand or a coffee mug or similar AGAINST the instructions which clearly state to only use a stand or mug with an inverted wand for faster heat ups and typical sessioning, i.e. in-and-out usage (there is discussion some pages back on how to best use the stand). If you leave it in there on high heat the stand will hold the heat in as it is intended to do for faster heat ups or a little extra heat on the first pull, but over an extended period of hours without being moved the temperature will climb to above what the silicon is rated to hence the potential for it to dry and crack at an expedited rate --- this wearing of the silicon tip seal will usually take a year or more of regular usage before needing to be replaced (some discoloration will take place on the clear legacy seal and microcracks will form on the red 4.2 patch seal) as long as the instructions are followed and the stand is only used for heat up and during sessions or low heat stand-by mode / no heat storage. It's a good idea to follow these instructions not just to minimize the tip wear, but also to play it safe that heat isn't going to back up into the housing and damage the board where the contacts mate which is something we've seen on clearly abused wands that where hacked for extra heat and left inverted for extended periods --- we changed the housing plug to a higher temp material to prevent this from happening a couple generations ago, but still recommend against extended periods inverted at full heat.

Also, to be clear the replacement cost is very little on these seals and again any off gassing that takes place externally when brand new is CO2 and water --- that's right...in fact this material is approved for implanting in the human body it is so clean! I'll resist making any "enhanced" boobie jokes at this point. All that said, we would never want it internal to the heat or vapor flow no matter how clean the material which is what makes VRIP so different from other devices...our internal path is all glass! Neutral polarity and ultra pure glass for the fullest spectrum extractions and deliveries possible!

Hope that clears that up! Feel free to hit us up at info@vriptech.com if any more questions regarding the tip seals or anything else and if anyone has "accidentally" forgotten to remove their wand from their stand while it was on full heat a few too many times (it will take a handful of errts at least) and dried it out prematurely feel free to hit us up we're usually good for a mulligan comp on the first round.

Thanks for the contribution StickStones --- I say make every session a special occasion!!! Warming up my wand now to chase the morning smoothie with some Nebu Tangerine Haze....Give Thanks!

 

[ShadowVape]

Any hints on technique for the Perk water tool with vhw? My 20" tall wide bore bong works way better and doesn't starve me of air as I fill it up. The vapor just doesn't seem to form as well with the perk piece and I was hoping it would be better since it was designed for this system.

Sorry missed your question nano-macro --- the PerK is designed to have more resistance than many other pieces to pace the pull for better milking of clean, but full spectrum vapor with the lowest temp possible on the wand. Some customers don't like this and do prefer less resistance which you'll get on most nicer pieces intended for smoking. Also, if you're running ice one tip that could help make a big difference is to be sure to have an ice and ice melt cup handy so that while you're sessioning you can pour off ice melt and replace ice for best results. When the PerK chamber becomes too full it does hurt the pull. Best results are to keep the PerK chamber about half full by pouring off ice melt throughout a session. A little extra work, but ice is so nice....especially complementing double moisture conditioned full spectrum vapor! The beauty of our system beyond the vapor quality is that you can simply retrofit just about any tube or bubbler out there for the best value in luxury vapor and for best fitting your pull preferences.

 

[organic weed]

@ShadowVape gatcha... I kind of understood but I will read it again when I'll get my Vrip so I can understand better.

One question to you. I am very serious here. Can we develop our own FC technical standard for vape? Like: a vape can only use this and that material in this and that quantity and should do this and that. No low grade plastic, etc...

Basically we should set the industry standards. We are a few thousands here... And if a product gets negative ratings in FC, then the product is pretty much done... We know the market and the products and what we want. Why can't we, the consumers, set the standards? Why shall we also wait for somebody from top tell us what to do?

The cannabis movement is all about doing things for the people. WE ARE THE PEOPLE

 

[ShadowVape]

I'm with you organic weed I've been going back and forth with "reviewers" for years over how a more intelligent and standardized approach to reviews that included materials and actual inhaled vapor quality considerations among other considerations would get VRIP more stoked on stoking them on demo kits to review after giving too many out and getting nothing or a review that failed to include what are some of the most important considerations IMHO. We all know we can get huge rips of tasty vapor with the VRIP kits let's talk some technical differentiation though...please, pretty please.

The idea of an industry group that would establish standards, or at the very least for the present, list vapes by not just whether they are plug-in or portable, flower or oil or both, but by material and design considerations i.e. what is the element made out of, what is the extraction chamber made out of, what is the delivery path made out of, what is the housing made out of, what kind of control mechanism is used, how old is the company and rate by review scores for quality of vapor extracted as well as mode of usage, durability, accuracy of temp, customer service responsiveness, value etc. is long overdue. FC would be a great place to link from, but I'm not so sure the platform to build it --- FC is an non-standardized, by the people review and support group that would benefit the existence of such a reference point though for sure. A yet to be formed third party entity is what you need. You'd need a standardized and un-corruputable reviewer (maybe who also lead a team of the same crossing different demographics like you see with a lot of consumer product reviews) with some serious bandwidth and a healthy sponsorship from every company wanting to be included paying an annual membership and agreeing to provide new kit when appropriate for review and documentation. Kind of like a UL for Vapes that includes the considerations that mean the most to those that consciously inhale the most....not just those that inhale without much consideration. It could become a very meaningful entity in the long run given the value of the industry.

StickStones is it possible I hear another higher calling? You've got VRIP's vote and my membership dues commitment!

 

[organic weed]

Man right on... If we are serious about this, I'd ask B&S (volcano brand) and visit them -- I'll be in Europe for 2 months in about 2 weeks -- and see what they think about the idea. Then we can move to other key brands like the Verdamper, etc and start forming a small group of companies. Let's say 5. We organize a first meeting somewhere to brainstorm and kick start the idea.. What do u think?

 

[stickstones]

StickStones is it possible I hear another higher calling? You've got VRIP's vote and my membership dues commitment!

I've had conversations about similar projects in the vape industry and think it is a great idea. It's probably not financially viable until some big companies get involved, though. Right now we are dominated by a bunch of small shops that need to keep costs down, and it's a lot of work to do something like this.

As for now, the only vapes I know of that have submitted themselves to independent lab scrutiny are the Volcano and MiniVap, both of which got good ratings. The funny thing is, there is more in those air paths than just glass and/or stainless steel, so I have no worries about a vape like the VHW! Some things just make sense and don't need lab verification.

 

[nano-macro]

Sorry missed your question nano-macro --- the PerK is designed to have more resistance than many other pieces to pace the pull for better milking of clean, but full spectrum vapor with the lowest temp possible on the wand. Some customers don't like this and do prefer less resistance which you'll get on most nicer pieces intended for smoking. Also, if you're running ice one tip that could help make a big difference is to be sure to have an ice and ice melt cup handy so that while you're sessioning you can pour off ice melt and replace ice for best results. When the PerK chamber becomes too full it does hurt the pull. Best results are to keep the PerK chamber about half full by pouring off ice melt throughout a session. A little extra work, but ice is so nice....especially complementing double moisture conditioned full spectrum vapor! The beauty of our system beyond the vapor quality is that you can simply retrofit just about any tube or bubbler out there for the best value in luxury vapor and for best fitting your pull preferences.

I just tried some alteration to my heat levels and warm up time with the perk and vhw. I seem to have figured out the water levels through practice with an e-nano with the perk. I got it flowing well and adapted my breathing technique with slightly higher heat in this cooler weather we're having.

I vaped two bowls and have a nice feeling going. I enjoy the perk water tool very much with the nano, and now with the vhw as intended.

 

[ShadowVape]

I think just a repository where the different models are listed with important design / use features objective and subjective cataloged would be a good start. The "standards" will come when ones already in place (FDA Class II Medical Device) are applied --- or some similar set of standards. It's a lot of work no doubt.

Good to see you're getting dialed nano-macro! Dialing in your rate of pull relative to potentiometer setting is the key to mastering the VRIP more than anything else. We know it works, but we're still doing a lot of testing!

 

[nano-macro]

I think just a repository where the different models are listed with important design / use features objective and subjective cataloged would be a good start. The "standards" will come when ones already in place (FDA Class II Medical Device) are applied --- or some similar set of standards. It's a lot of work no doubt.

Good to see you're getting dialed nano-macro! Dialing in your rate of pull relative to potentiometer setting is the key to mastering the VRIP more than anything else. We know it works, but we're still doing a lot of testing!

Do you have schematics or adjustment instructions and potentiometer variable values? My pop is an electronics specialist, so maybe he could get it dialed in even better

 

[Khantagious]

Do you have schematics or adjustment instructions and potentiometer variable values? My pop is an electronics specialist, so maybe he could get it dialed in even better

I don't know how much it would actually help to know the actual potentiometer value in ohms, because as Shadow said, it 's all about the interaction between the temperature of the wand (which *is* a function of the resistance of the circuit) and the way that you are holding it (which *can't* really be measured quantitatively). It's just a feel thing, it's about getting the muscle memory of your hands dialed in more than the potentiometer itself. Practice makes perfect, and fortunately it is the type of practice that is a pleasure to do!

 

[nano-macro]

I don't know how much it would actually help to know the actual potentiometer value in ohms, because as Shadow said, it 's all about the interaction between the temperature of the wand (which *is* a function of the resistance of the circuit) and the way that you are holding it (which *can't* really be measured quantitatively). It's just a feel thing, it's about getting the muscle memory of your hands dialed in more than the potentiometer itself. Practice makes perfect, and fortunately it is the type of practice that is a pleasure to do!

My pop and I just like technical details to understand what is being adjusted and how it relates to performance and draw rate, etc.

 

[stickstones]

I'm stoked at how fast I can get in and out of a session with the vhw. I've got some second tier herbs that require two or three bowls to get there with most vapes, but the vhw bowl is big enough I can pack whatever amount I want in there and do it all in one bowl. Start to finish last night was a monster session that didn't take more than seven minutes. Every time I use this vape I love it!

 

[ShadowVape]

Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving! Good questions nano-macro we've had a very difficult time getting technical details from the heat tool manufacturer (remember we basically retooled an existing tool with a different element and modified board components/settings which wasn't their original design or intended use). So we basically just have to test ourselves (we know it works, but are still doing a lot of testing...wand warming up now for some KandyLand I'm about to grind MOF) and like Khantagious said there are so many variables beyond the actual potentiometer measurements such as pull rate and frequencies, density of bowl pack, moisture content of herbs, ambient temp (the colder the ambient temp the more heat you need), user preference for vapor or hybrid vapor/smoke qualities, etc that what really matters is one....maybe two "human sensor measurements" IMHO.

Namely the flavor/body qualities of the vape (VRIP if proper) taken and the load carcass/ABV color as an approximate and relative indicator ---- if it's over browned and the vape was smokier than you like you know to turn it down a tad and/or pull a bit faster; if it was just yellowed and barely dried with whispy vapor that never condensed up as thick as wanted you know to milk it slower and/or turn it up a tad. Dead center perfect VRIPS are relative to your preferences and will come with just a few practice rounds usually, but really can be achieved in more than one way is the key understanding. This is.one of the really cool things about a modular "tools" approach. Some users like to use the stand or a mug which adds yet another variable by holding heat in to the inverted mug so that when you pull it out there is extra heat (qty dependent upon how long it's been in there) to get it going faster and then the thermal curve fades back to where you have the potentiometer set. Simple analogue control relying on the Human Sensor feedback loop was the idea with the VHW....all that thermal mass in that hunk of glass that is the cover really stabilizes and holds the heat well so you've just got to figure out where you want to set the potentiometer relative to your ritualistic preferences. Most users run the potentiometer between 80% (seal it - pause, milk it up to get it going keeping the wand tip sealed in the upper intake) to 100% (pull faster with not much if any milk-up and cracking the seal between wand and upper intake during breath pauses so as not to burn) heat settings. It's your ritual we just provide the tools that give you the options!

Anyone having any difficulty dialing in or who just has questions looking for visual answers is invited to hit us up to schedule a Skype session where we'll walk you through some VRIPs...we can't grind and share our flowers with you (we would if we could), but we can show you the techniques we like to use and from there you should be able to figure out your own preferences for how to best pledge allegiance to your Flavor Country.

Love it Stickstones thanks for the session time context; we get a lot of inquiries from potential customers worried about how long a VRIP session is going to take relative to other systems out there. If you plug the wand in so it's preheating while you fill the water tool with water and ice and grind the flowers, by the time the bowl is packed and you're ready to go so is the wand. This simple strategic process really negates the drawback of the heat up time, and the size of the extractions and deliveries possible negate the need for another vape for hours in most instances. Go big, go aromatic and make every session a special occasion session!

 

[PPN]

It seems I will hit a Vrip for the new year, awesome!

 

[ShadowVape]

Right on PPN just let me know if any help needed dialing in or if anything else you can email ShadowVape at info@vriptech.com or get me direct at headvripper@vriptech.com or DM here.

Warming up the wand for some high temp Tangerine Haze VRIPs to jump start my sleep deprived head! For whatever reason I've been running high temp with a faster pull lately reminiscing the old one-hit snap through bong rip days I guess. This morning I'm going to get "Snapt" into Flavor Country....