Volcano

[macbill]

Incidentally, Volcano South, who started this thread, has a great tutorial on "how to make "Easy Valve" bags (so you don't have to buy them pre-made)" here on site.

http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=445

Many thanks to Volcano South for that great tip.

 

[JeffK1893]

Personally, after using various models of vapes, my cano is my vape of choice 99% of the time. I agree with you completely- the cano is a great and quality vape. Its functioned completely after 2+ years of use.

 

[Big Dick Baller]

Its suck that the pictures of the tutorial aren't still availiable..

 

[lwien]

Personally, after using various models of vapes, my cano is my vape of choice 99% of the time. I agree with you completely- the cano is a great and quality vape. Its functioned completely after 2+ years of use.

I see that you also own the Ion. What is it about the 'Cano that you like better?

 

[Konrad_Zuse]

You know you can get higher with fresh herb if you go up to at least 420f?

With ABV a lot of thc is oxidized into cbn due to the high heat and excess oxygen that has gone through it but if you mix the abv with some new bud it will add to the stone(body affects) from the cbn.

Listen everyone if you vape below 392f, a lot of good chemicals are being left behind such as beta-carophyllene which is good for the immune system and gives relaxing affects and in the case thc are being oxidized as time goes on so if you vape at a later time you won't get more out of it.

You should start low and go higher to prevent smoke from the burning of lower temperature oil but certain vaporizers aren't good with holding temperature so you may still get combustion but if you own a volcano this shouldn't be a problem.

Yeah, but there's a trade off being that as soon as you hit 382f, you're startin' to get some of the bad stuff along with the good stuff and the higher up you go, the more of the bad stuff that your gettin', eh?

That's why you start low then go high, the burning of the volatile low temperature oils are what make the benzenes and tars. That is why you vape at different temperatres that prevent burning of each chemical while still getting high.

Plant fibers burn at a higher temperature than the oils we want so if you go low to high you don't have to worry about negative chemicals being made as long as you stay under 440f.
The study that showed the benzene, carbon monoxide, and tar being made saw the beginnings of these at around 385f and it is due to the volatile oils being burned at these high temperatures. If they would've started off lower and made a gradual raise no carcinogenic compounds would have been made due to no burning of oils occuring plus a high amount of oils and positive chemicals would have been released but the study was taken at the beginning of the vape craze and it still is new so in time more info will come out about what I'm stating so if you have an accurate temp vape I think you should be happy you have it and use it at it's fullest ability and not just start and stick with medium range temperatures. You should get the whole spectrum so you can get all the health and high from cannabis and get it fast as opposed to eating which takes longer.

Idk where you're getting this info from, but it seems like complete garbage to me. 200C/392F is where you start getting all the crap, 230C is combustion. The only thing you're really getting above 200C is cbn, and cbd, which as we know is what gives the couch lock, and all that other stuff. I don't understand why people vape above 200? I vape 170-200, which in my vape is about 168ish-198ish I'm guessing, since I pack the elbow in my E, which isn't conducting the heat, but it's conventionalizing it . Besides the fact if you vape low and go higher is bs. The flashpoint of THC is 149.3C, the boiling point is 158C, why would you go all the way past 200C, and get all this crap you are trying to avoid? I've vaped lower, and gone higher, my vape still combusts at 230C, and that's the fact, you cannot say you don't, or have not, because you do. You can change the temps of combustion, it happens. As for the "whole range" some people don't like being a lazy bum, I love the energetic highs I can, from my range, I don't want to be siting around doing nothing. I have tons of abv left over, and I will be eating it, or revaping it in another vape.

The thing most people don't understand is the fact that you're buying a "vaporizer" to "vape" not combust. To those who actually go above 230C, do your thing, but I'm here to be healthy, great taste, and feel great, not burnt popcorn, and feel like crap, I find I even burn out more at a higher temp.

Happy vaping,

~Konrad

 

[coma-boy]

... you're buying a "vaporizer" to "vape" not combust ~Konrad

Best post ever!

 

[CountVapeula]

my vape still combusts at 230C, and that's the fact, you cannot say you don't, or have not, because you do.
~Konrad

hi konrad,

i have to disagree on this. you can't compare your experience on an extreme to a volcano. i own both and using the xtreme on ~230C (packing the elbow) gave me combustion a few times(with my old v-tower). but using my cano on the highest/same setting (230C) it NEVER combusts. most reliable, efficient and steady vape ever (call me fanboy) ;-) no combustion at all using the cano!

cv

 

[Raf007]

yep, combustion is not possible with a cano.

 

[Konrad_Zuse]

my vape still combusts at 230C, and that's the fact, you cannot say you don't, or have not, because you do.
~Konrad

hi konrad,

i have to disagree on this. you can't compare your experience on an extreme to a volcano. i own both and using the xtreme on ~230C (packing the elbow) gave me combustion a few times(with my old v-tower). but using my cano on the highest/same setting (230C) it NEVER combusts. most reliable, efficient and steady vape ever (call me fanboy) ;-) no combustion at all using the cano!

cv

230C is combustion, your cano might turn up to 230C, but the temp of the bud is most likely NOT 230C. The digital temp is most likely the heater, and the bud temp is probably a little less, I do not know, but if it doesn't combust then it isn't 230C. It's like saying that the flash point of thc isn't 149.3C or the boiling point is 157C. Unless you have some funky air pressure chaning shit, but w/e. Well, I would have hoped the 700$ cano would be all of the above, but that's your opinion on that.

 

[32paths]

Luchiano,

I think your logic is flawed that the negative compounds are somehow boiled off at the lower temperatures, thus making anything past 200C somehow safe. If this were the case, Benzene, Ammonia and other carcinogenic compounds would have shown up in the tests at the lower temperatures you are suggesting.

Point of that matter is this, going above 200C is unnecessary and quite frankly is an unworthy risk.

 

[lwien]

Luchiano,


Point of that matter is this, going above 200C is unnecessary and quite frankly is an unworthy risk.

Yup. 194C is my tops.

 

[Hippie Dickie]

I think your logic is flawed that the negative compounds are somehow boiled off at the lower temperatures ... [these] compounds would have shown up in the tests at the lower temperatures

no, well, it seems to me Luchiano is saying that the source of the negative compounds is evaporated, not burned, and therefore they are gone and so don't create the negative compounds when the temperature is higher.

 

[coma-boy]

Yep, no need to ever go over 195C on a Cano.

185 is fine for pure-sativas or first-run-throughs, then up to 190C. (195C if you wanna squeeze a little extra out).

But really 190C is all you need.

 

[luchiano]

I think your logic is flawed that the negative compounds are somehow boiled off at the lower temperatures ... [these] compounds would have shown up in the tests at the lower temperatures

no, well, it seems to me Luchiano is saying that the source of the negative compounds is evaporated, not burned, and therefore they are gone and so don't create the negative compounds when the temperature is higher.

Thank you. Someone understands what I stated.

Also, there is a reason to go past 200c and that's beta-carophyllene. This chemical is good for the immune system by keeping inflammation down which in the long run keeps you getting high off of very little herb and staying high for longer. This is why having a diet high in anti-inflammatory compounds allow you to feel very little pain which when talking about cannabis extends the high. Think of the cb2 receptor compounds.

Combustion is not a universal term for plants because some chemicals combust at different temperatures than others so to say 230c is the combustion for all isn't true especially when we know essential oils burn at lower temperatures than others and these are what make tars and carcinogenic compounds when they are burned at high temperatures.

Different vaporizers not having stable temperatures is another reason why I stated to use only the volcano or another vaporizer with a stable temperature when doing the method I recommended because most vaporizers have temperature readouts that aren't really the temperatures and the bowl actually burns.

Lastly, where is everyone getting these numbers on THC boiling points because I only started seeing these numbers in the past 2-3 years when more vaporizers started coming out heavily but before that is was known that the boiling point was 200C at 0.02 MMHG which came from the Merck index. Now I'm seeing these low temps and the source has never been verified. Don't get me wrong you will get some THC as time passes from 185C or 190c but it won't be efficient than it would be if you go at 200C or higher. Plus if the heat is in contact with THC for too long a lot of the THC will degrade into CBN due to oxidation which means you won't get as high and you wasted some THC which means not getting the full benefit of vaporization. Now I will admit you will still get a nice high because the vapor is lacking particulate matter from the plant fibers and is mostly the chemicals we want but imagine how high you would be if you get most of the chemicals in this pure vape form.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caryophyllene
beta-carophyllene
Boiling point:262-264 C; 129-130 C (14 mm Hg)
Anyway here's more on beta-carophyllene:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080720222549.htm#

"The hemp plant contains over 450 different substances, only three of which are responsible for its intoxicating effect. They activate the two receptors in the body CB1 and CB2. Whilst the CB1 receptor in the central nervous system influences perception, the CB2 receptor in the tissue plays a crucial role in inhibiting inflammation. If the receptor is activated, the cell releases fewer pro-inflammatory signal substances, or cytokines. The scientists have now discovered that the substance beta-carophyllene, which composes between 12 and 35 percent of the cannabis plants essential oil, activates the CB2 receptor selectively.

Unlike the three psychoactive substances, however, beta-carophyllene does not latch onto the CB1 receptor and consequently does not trigger the intoxicating effect. Due to the various effects of cannabis, we had suspected for quite some time that other substances could come into play besides the psychoactive ones, explains Jrg Gertsch from the Institute of Pharmaceutical Sciences at ETH Zurich. However, astonishingly we didnt know what substances these were until now.

 

[Hippie Dickie]

Good article in Wiki ... i've been adding a lot of cinnamon to my porriage lately (organic only) and now i know why.

Okay, but 262C is like 503F ... i'm glad i just replaced the teflon tubing holding the thermocouple probe with PEEK, which is good to go up to 700F ! Although i only go as high as 410F (in the bud) to get the proper rich-brown color for the vapor poop. Much above that and it goes blackish.

 

[luchiano]

Good article in Wiki ... i've been adding a lot of cinnamon to my porriage lately (organic only) and now i know why.

Okay, but 262C is like 503F ... i'm glad i just replaced the teflon tubing holding the thermocouple probe with PEEK, which is good to go up to 700F ! Although i only go as high as 410F (in the bud) to get the proper rich-brown color for the vapor poop. Much above that and it goes blackish.

Yeah but some will still be released just not efficiently as it would at those temps but I say still vape because might as well get something right away instead of throwing it out or waiting to use it at another time plus there might be some other chemicals that we don't know about yet that contributes to the high and our health in the long run that vape within the 200C-230C range or near it.


The study on vaporizing actually found some carophyllene in the vapor and from what is sounds like they used a lower temperature than I'm recommending so imagine how much is in it when you raise the temperature.

This is why eating the ABV with some some nuts or avocado(eat the food then just toss the ABV in your mouth with some liquid without tasting) is effective to get all of the benefits of the herb because being that you vaped a good amount of the low temp chemicals it will hit you right away and then when you eat the rest right after vaping it will keep the high going due to the carophyllene keeping the inflammation low which means you can experience more pleasure and when you vape later on in the day you will get a good high due to you body being reved up from the earlier ingestion.

http://www.maps.org/mmj/pr5.02.03.html
Study Shows Vaporizer Can Drastically Reduce Toxins in Marijuana Smoke

"The new study used a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer (GCMS) to examine the gas components of the vapor. The analysis showed that the Volcano vapor was remarkably clean, consisting 95% of THC with traces of cannabinol (CBN), another cannabinoid. The remaining 5% consisted of small amounts of three other components: one suspected cannabinoid relative, one suspected PAH, and caryophyllene, a fragrant oil in cannabis and other plants. In contrast over 111 different components appeared in the gas of the combusted smoke, including a half dozen known PAHs. Non-cannabinoids accounted for as much as 88% of the total gas content of the smoke."

 

[Beezleb]

Hey Luchiano,

Keep on keepin on, great stuff!

 

[Son Of A Pitch]

Hi luchiano
i find your posts very intresting, and have been thinking the same, about how low temp chemicals combust, when vaping on a high temp.
But could it not be that when plant fibre is exposed to high temps, that it will produce the extra toxins either way? I personaly dont think so and agree with your theory, but its just a thought to consider.

http://www.maps.org/mmj/pr5.02.03.html
Study Shows Vaporizer Can Drastically Reduce Toxins in Marijuana Smoke

"The new study used a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer (GCMS) to examine the gas components of the vapor. The analysis showed that the Volcano vapor was remarkably clean, consisting 95% of THC with traces of cannabinol (CBN), another cannabinoid. The remaining 5% consisted of small amounts of three other components: one suspected cannabinoid relative, one suspected PAH, and caryophyllene, a fragrant oil in cannabis and other plants. In contrast over 111 different components appeared in the gas of the combusted smoke, including a half dozen known PAHs. Non-cannabinoids accounted for as much as 88% of the total gas content of the smoke."

lets not forget this part

This study was not designed to measure the presence of toxic gases with low molecular weight, such as ammonia, hydrogen cyanide and carbon monoxide, which are known to be produced by marijuana cigarettes

http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:...xins+vaporizer+study&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

 

[chewyrails]

I bought my first two vaporizers within a week and a half of each other. The first one I ordered was the Magic-Flight Launch Box. The second one I ordered was the Volcano. The Volcano arrived first, and I love it. I'm not filthy rich at all, but the price was not a concern for me. I did research for months, and settled on the Classic with Easy Valve. I looked at the V-Tower Extreme, but the lack of a valve/nozzle on the bag was a downer for me, because the bag is the primary way I want to vape. I have no interest in whips. Also, based on comments that I read in various places about people breaking some of the Extreme's glass parts, I could see that happening to me. And even if all it takes is to be very careful with the glass parts, I don't want to have to worry about them every time I vape. I don't want to have to remind myself to be cautious and conscientious throughout a vaping session. I just want to sit back and relax, without any more worry than is necessary. The 'cano allows this. The only thing I have to be concerned about is taking the chamber off the top when I've filled a bag.

Part of my decision to go with the 'cano over the Extreme is that I live with my girlfriend, who loves weed as well, and I basically wanted a vape with as small a learning curve as possible, and a high convenience factor so that we could both get to using it quickly and easily. Always having to keep your thumb over the Extreme bag mouthpiece is not convenient, and having to learn proper techniques for the Extreme's other vaping methods is just not something that jibes well with the easy vaping that I wanted both her and I to enjoy. She is not the type of person who would care to read a lot about vaping techniques online, and I don't want to spend my vaping time teaching her how to use the Extreme; as I said, I jus want to sit back and take it easy. I didn't want there to be a point where I was vaping effectively and she was not. I want us both to be on the same page, enjoying the same level of efficiency and enjoyment. The 'cano has definitely served this purpose very well.

With the 'cano, I use only about 1/3 as much weed as I used before I had it... perhaps even less. And the bag with a closed nozzle is very important to me/us, because we pass it back and forth often. Beyond that, I find myself laying the bag down for a few minutes somewhat frequently to do or get something else, and it has occurred to me a number of times that having the Extreme bags, with no closed valve, would be a pain in the ass at these times. Since these times happen somewhat frequently, no closed valve would be frequently annoying. There is nothing that annoys me about the 'cano.

Obviously, everyone has their own tastes, but I would without hesitation recommend the Volcano to anyone.

I love the MFLB, too. With both it and the 'cano, my vaping needs are more than satisfied. I love them both for different reasons, as each can do what the other can't.

 

[PsiDoc]

Has anyone tried vaporizing JWH-018 in the Volcano? How did it go? What was the procedure?

Alternatively, if you've freebased something in the Cano, how did you do it?

 

[smoknaces]

i've got a digi volcano with the classic valve system and i love it. I think anyone who doesnt believe that the volcano is the best unit in terms of vapor delivery is probably in denial of some sort.

I do have other vaporizers and although the volcano isnt my daily go-to vape, it definitely serves its purpose when its me and a few buddies kicking it in.

Also, i feel the effects of my medication a lot more with the volc as opposed to other vaporizers. It could simply be the amount of herb used

 

[lwien]

i've got a digi volcano with the classic valve system and i love it. I think anyone who doesnt believe that the volcano is the best unit in terms of vapor delivery is probably in denial of some sort.

I do have other vaporizers and although the volcano isnt my daily go-to vape, it definitely serves its purpose when its me and a few buddies kicking it in.

Also, i feel the effects of my medication a lot more with the volc as opposed to other vaporizers. It could simply be the amount of herb used

Ok, I have a question. If you believe that the 'Cano is the best unit in terms of vapor delivery, how come it's not your daily go-to vape ?

 

[JohnDeere]

I have only limited exposure to vapes, but in my experience I like the volcano best as far as consistent controlled results with absolutely no combustion.

That being said, noisy balloons and .25g - .5g per load for a chronic like myself are two major downsides.

 

[P0KERF1SH]

I had an original Volcano and then bought the digital version with the lazy valve when it came out. I loved both of them however the digital is no better than the classic. Then one day I stumbled onto this forum and read about all these other vapes I had never heard of. I bought a PD and realized I was wasting a ton of very expensive herb. I sold the Volcanos and figure I just needed cut my losses. I will say the V was way better for groups and I probably should have kept one of them.

 

[coma-boy]

I think anyone who doesnt believe that the volcano is the best unit in terms of vapor delivery is probably in denial of some sort.

Too true. The only reason that everyone doesn't love Canos is the price. Although you'll hear all sorts of alternative reasons from those in denial.

After an exhausting couple of weeks trying many, many alternatives, I can conclude that nothing else comes close.