Volcano Hybrid

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Dax said:
:lol:Well,I have a nice new Hybrid on it’s way to me.
Mainly convinced by the Merry feedback in this thread. So now it’s time to sell my Classic,that’s only about 2.5 months old.
The classic was kinda my first vape,after firefly 2,and I love the classic,but I need a whip,and faster heat,and the cool app.
I also have the wonderful Obsidian,which will definitely fit,so looking forward to it all :love:
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i think you will be very satisfied, the Hybrid is basically a Volcano on steroids, i wouldn´t wanna miss the fast heat up anymore, even using my Mighty i am like "wow, this thing takes long to heat up"

the Hybrid is nearly unbeatable when it comes to getting strongly medicated in a short amount of time

and the whip is my main method of medication by now, the bags are nice but i feel like the whip hits a bit harder than the bags.

and yeah, with selling the Classic you get the Hybrid cheaper, i did the same with my Plenty, so the Hybrid cost me essentially 350€ which was a bit easier to stomach than 5XX€
 
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Make sure you get tracking on this and watch it carefully. I ordered mine through POTV and they sent it through the USPS. The USPS driver marked the package delivered at 1:21 at mail box, So I go outside to see where the package was. I did not see my package anywhere, So I thought why would POTV send me something so pricey without having to sign for it. Long story short, The USPS driver pools up to the mail box with me standing there an hour later. I asked how come you marked my package delivered and your now showing up. His answer was, I didn't mark it. I delivered it yesterday. As soon as I told him, I may have to report this, He quickly acted like he was scanning it and handed it to me. Good thing I was home, Because I also had tracking by tex and I did not get an alert saying package delivered until 4:30. The time the post office closes. I can tell he opened my box on his lunch break and said wow a new Cano Hybrid. When he marked it delivered, That's where he screwed up. I had it tracked and I have a security camera watching my mail box.
 
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silverharbinger said:
You should be able to pop the bottom screen out in either direction using your fingers. For the one on top, assuming you are wanting to clean the nozzle as well, remove the o-ring, and pop the nozzle out of the plastic housing. Then take a blunt-tipped object that will fit down the nozzle path (a phillips head screwdriver or something like that), and pop that screen out by pushing downward.

Assuming that the screens are not damaged you should be able to soak them in alcohol to get them clean, and use them again. With any luck you will be able to repeat that cycle for quite awhile and not have to replace your screens all that often.
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My Friend,

Usually, I place the metal (shaft) in the dishwasher, and it buffs it up right back to brand new. As for the screens, I usually (use some tweezers to hold them and) blast with a steam cleaner, voila! It's as good as new, just make sure you're wearing oven mitts;)



Pure peace :leaf:

Herbie said:
Question about when to put the filling chamber on the Hybrid:

Using a balloon or tube - do you put the chamber on the Volcano before or after it has heated up to the temperature you initially want? The manual seems to imply putting the chamber on after the Volcano has heated to temp and then giving a 5 second burst of air to prime the herb.
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My friend,

In response to your query,

I find that filling the chamber and placing it on the hybrid does enable a better extraction, but failing that, once the Hybrid has reached the req'd temp, I usually then (after the little burst of air) place the chamber on the Hybrid and let it run until vapor is coming out, then place the bag on to the Hybrid, cos if not, you will end up with hot air in your bag, who the fuck needs that?:suspicious:

Not saying,:| Just saying,:\ Without saying,:2c:

Pure Peace:leaf:
 
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I have it , and I like it this hybrid.

There is something better on the Classic that nobody seems to have noticed, but whether it looks like a face or not may not matter to many, but it matters ever so slightly to me, so I can say the face on the Hybrid isn't so nice. But its lovely and digital and touchy, and well worth playing with.

I was surprised that my classic reducer thing, (to blast less at a time), didn't fit the Hybrid. But Ordered another from SB.
Love how the bowl comes in and out without the three little silver things that yea, you get used to but still, would rather not need the slippy little buggers LOL

.....And that whole loading and stirring and anything to do with the new bowl is much easier to do. Far better!

Another thing that I like that maybe nobody cares much is the removable plug. (By the way the one that I got , came without a uk plug, and luckily I had a uk one and it all works fine.)
There's a few reasons I like this and if you like the idea of it, you have probably realised what they are lol

Haven't had much chance to do much with it yet but the whip is nice, (Had a wee go), and the bags are as lovely as can be. I am sure it is better than the Classic.

The cost? Fuck it! Its quite a lot, but I will sell my Classic and it's not so bad considering the utter joy and pleasure that I will get out of it.

I must put in a small word for the wonderful Dynavap, it is really nice and compliments the Hybrid nicely.

If anyone read down this far, there is one other thing slightly concerns me, but probably no big deal.
It says you should change the air filter monthly and gives you three with it. Anybody bothered to change it and how much they cost anyway?
 
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The filter cover filters the air and can be removed for cleaning or dusted off.
 
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Dax said:
I have it , and I like it this hybrid.

There is something better on the Classic that nobody seems to have noticed, but whether it looks like a face or not may not matter to many, but it matters ever so slightly to me, so I can say the face on the Hybrid isn't so nice. But its lovely and digital and touchy, and well worth playing with.

I was surprised that my classic reducer thing, (to blast less at a time), didn't fit the Hybrid. But Ordered another from SB.
Love how the bowl comes in and out without the three little silver things that yea, you get used to but still, would rather not need the slippy little buggers LOL

.....And that whole loading and stirring and anything to do with the new bowl is much easier to do. Far better!

Another thing that I like that maybe nobody cares much is the removable plug. (By the way the one that I got , came without a uk plug, and luckily I had a uk one and it all works fine.)
There's a few reasons I like this and if you like the idea of it, you have probably realised what they are lol

Haven't had much chance to do much with it yet but the whip is nice, (Had a wee go), and the bags are as lovely as can be. I am sure it is better than the Classic.

The cost? Fuck it! Its quite a lot, but I will sell my Classic and it's not so bad considering the utter joy and pleasure that I will get out of it.

I must put in a small word for the wonderful Dynavap, it is really nice and compliments the Hybrid nicely.

If anyone read down this far, there is one other thing slightly concerns me, but probably no big deal.
It says you should change the air filter monthly and gives you three with it. Anybody bothered to change it and how much they cost anyway?
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whether it looks like a face??? lolol...i desperately want a hybrid..... so that i can get medicated enough to ponder such irrelevant details....lololol i dont care if it looks like a 1970s stand alone hair dryer....if this device is as amazingly efficient as most peeps seem to say.....im dropping the $600 no doubt.....just curious as to how the classic face is better...lol
 
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anyone use the hybrid with concentrates? the max heat in the specs were 230'c. my arizer q goes to 260'c and sucks vaping wax concenrates
 
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I was lent a Volcano Hybrid to try out and here are my impressions.

TL;DR – I love the added conduction…it works…and I love the whip. I think the Hybrid would have been a great replacement for the Digit at the same price as the Digit. But sadly, that’s not the case.

1. Unboxing – fuggedaboutit. If I have to look at another unboxing vid I will scream. It comes boxed very nicely by S&B. What else do you want to know

2. What you Get – The Volcano, power cord, four bags, a whip, the chamber, some replacement screens, o-rings, and air filters.

3. Construction and Material Quality – this is still an S&B Volcano….it’s built like a brick outhouse. It feels like the very same construction as all other Volcanos. That is, professional and well done. Like all Volcanos, if you shake it you can hear the air pump bang around a bit…this is on purpose, I believe. Apparently its shock mounted and given some room to flex about rather than break. There are few areas of note regarding construction and material quality:

  • Power Cord - the Hybrid comes with a removable power cord. This is welcomed as it makes putting the dang thing away a bit easier and neater. However, the OG, permanently attached power cords were very heavy duty with what feels like a lot of copper in there. Good and heavy provokes confidence IMO, but it also kinked over time (well mine did) and it is fairly unruly to store away. The new cord is much more like a heavy duty lamp cord. So far, no issues but just something to note.
  • Whip Material - not sure WTF this is made of. If its silicone then it feels different to the hand that all other silicone tubing I have handled. On the other hand, it does not pick up dust and lint like almost all other silicone tubing I have handled. No smell but I’m not very sensitive to that stuff.
  • Chamber rings – Ok, they are plastic. And, it is a ring held off from the central chamber portion by plastic spokes. It feels very light weight, however, it didn’t feel at all flimsy to me and it did the intended job of keeping heat away from your fingers. With the Hybrid’s added conduction component, the core of the oven gets really dang hot. No way that the old design would work…that stuff would be scorching. So, while not feeling heavy duty, does it need to be heavy duty? And, it certainly did its job of making handling of the oven safe and cool.
  • Touch senor buttons – I’m generally ok with these as they are higher reliability components than mechanical switches and can be easily shaped into different configurations and to contour the device. But they do have a down side. I found the switches on the Hybrid to be VERY sensitive. It was real easy to brush the Air button and turn on the pump inadvertently. Also, mechanical switches can be often replaced by the home DIY person. No so with touch sensor switches. Finally, there is little to no tactile feedback which is an objection I have to my touch screen infected dashboard of my car! LOL

4. Function and Performance
  • Conduction really works – I have had a Digit for about four years now, I think, and I do love it. However, even though I know that “green” is chlorophyll, it always bothered me to see the standard full convection Volcano Poo greenish AVB. I could easily see the difference in AVB with the added conduction of the Hybrid in the AVB color. AVB color was an even coffee brown and, right or wrong, this makes me feel more confident in having gotten full extraction. Also, the conduction portion was apparent to me at the end of a session. I have long noted that with many/most traditional conduction vapes, that at the end of the session you can get a goodly string of sort of wispy but “hard to just leave in there” kind of draws. I would see this as very apparent with an old Flowermate that I used to have. After pretty much killing the load, I would still get thin draw of visible vapor…a series of them….and I got a few of them at the end of the Hybrid session. Just what I would expect from hybrid convection/conduction.
  • Efficiency and Load Size – well, I guess that this part depends on your definition of efficiency. To me, a vape is very efficient if it extracts out and delivers a very high percentage of available cannabinoids, terps, flavonoids, and all the rest. Another way to look at efficiency…probably more commonly used by people…is did I get the effects I want from a fairly small load size. VapCap, MV1, or Grasshopper are examples. Well, the hybrid is a Volcano after all and micro-dosing is nowhere in its lexicon, IMO. Yes, they have a chamber reducer and capsules, but I personally have never felt that they worked very well with the Volcano and believe it works best in the native oven. You can top a smaller load in a Volcano with a liquid pad, but it’s still definitely not a micro-doser to my mind. This Volcano is like others, IMO. It runs best with probably a minimum of .25 g and runs very well with .4 g. But I do view this Hybrid as efficient and view it as more efficient than other versions as I believe it more fully extracts my flower due to the added conduction.
  • Taste – I only used the whip….I mean, I have a Digit and the bag system has been out for over 10 years. But the whip was new and I absolutely thought the taste from the whip on the first few hits was way better than bag vapor. I like bags…I’m into medicating and I want it done and done quickly. Thick bags support my use case very well. But, bag vapor tends to taste muddled to me. With the whip, the notes of the strain came out…again in those first few draws (max) as I feel that taste goes away very quickly no matter what vape I use. To me, taste was improved with the whip but its new and clean so that must be taken into account.
  • The Whip – I liked it. Manual says to run the air pump for 5 seconds to “prime” the load. I found this to be too long and a bit of a waste of vapor. I ran the fan for just a second or two until I saw vapor coming out of the whip then turned off the air and began drawing. I also used the whip with no blown air priming and it was fine. Taste and not much vapor on the first draw, then plenty of visible vapor on subsequent draws. I also like the fact that the whip is mounted so it rotates. Makes handling it very easy, IMO.

5. The App – ahhh, well….personally I only like apps if ALL the functions of the app are also available directly through controls on the device itself. But, in the case of the Hybrid, there are some settings (e.g. setting auto-shut off or turning off the aural notification of running the pump when it reaches temp) that are not available on the device itself. Personally, I believe that some combination of button pushes on the device itself could have also been used as an alternative to the app for these setting type functions.
  • Loading the app and connecting – the app loaded easily but getting it to connect to BT was a bit baffling. First, you have to load in the serial number of the device into the app. Until this is done, you won’t even see the Hybrid in your phone’s BT list of devices. Now, this is what my serial number label looks like. Please note the fourth character from the right. Does that look like a zero…a zed…to you? Well, it did to me also and we are both wrong! Haha That is, while the label definitely looks like a zero, the app was looking for the letter “O” and the app is confusing in that if you do not get the serial number exactly correct, it doesn’t even give you an “enter” or “continue button. If not in correctly, you can only hit “Cancel”. When entered correctly, it automatically submits the serial number and connects. Small but frustrating, at the time, issue

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  • Firmware Upgrade – not sure what it improved, but the app did immediately ask me if I wanted to upgrade the firmware, which I did. There was a pretty good display of update progress and it seemed to work out ok.
  • Functions – yeah, you can turn on the fan and change temp via the app but why? It’s so easy to do on the device. The app does provide info (firmware rev level, hours of use, that kind of thing….whoopee!) Personally, after a few changes in the Settings area, I just didn’t find the need to use the app again. TBH, same with my MV1’s.

For me, bottom line is that this unit would have been great as a replacement for the Digit AT THE SAME PRICE. Vapor.com and Puffitup are now asking $599 for a Digit and all you get extra is a cheap ass grinder. I'm pretty sure that 4 years ago my Digit was $550 or so from Vapor Nation (with Vape Critic code maybe?) and they threw in free overnight shipping and a big ballistic nylon case made for the 'Cano. IMO, this would be a fair deal/pricefor the Hybrid.

If you don’t have a Volcano and want one, I suggest the Hybrid but feel certain that the price will come down a bit with time. Cream City Vapes offers a pretty good (20% maybe?) discount on the Hybrid and reports on transactions with them that I have seen are all positive while getting the price down to something a bit more reasonable.

If you have a Volcano, as I do, it’s hard to see the need to upgrade to the Hybrid unless you got a good price for your used Volcano or whips are REALLY important to you.

P.S. - Oh, also...I didn't use the "work flow" function of the app insofar as based on my own investigation of available data leads me to firmly think that selective extraction by temp control is not really feasible and it seems to me that work flow is only applicable to the bag anyway. You may well view this differently but to me it just looks like a gimmick.

I’m sure I have forgotten something but these are my initial views.
 
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I could get a used volcano for 100€. I've got a plenty, so I would have both whip and bags style vaporizers. It would be worth spending 600€ in the hybrid?
 
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CastIronHits

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My newest problem is the plastic tabs on my chamber ring which have fatigued to where they no longer retain the bowl. I now have to handle the metal bowl to clean and refill.

I don't remove the metal bowl at all, the fatigue occurred from normal use. I picked the unit up in August but it has seen heavy use. S&B is going to provide a replacement, but I assume this will be a reoccurring issue. Is anyone else having trouble with their tabs loosening over time?
 
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Haha, none of the retainers have broken on mine it’s just become loose over time. It’s logged quite a few hours already.
 
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LesPlenty said:
Cheap Chinese junk...hang on it is neither of these, what is going on? Is it the same problem the Plenty has with the tiny retainers holding the bowl that breaks? (a bit of bamboo skewer fixes that.):tup:
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I broke a couple clips off a few solid valve housings on my Classic over the years. Used skewers and straws as a jerry-rig but it never did seal up the same for me. Luckily the housing itself is pretty cheap.

Actually forgot about the Volcano once and melted a solid valve enough that the spring wouldn't actuate anymore... :rofl::rofl:
 
CastIronHits

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Poostuff said:
Yeah, mine has started dropping out of the plastic holder when tip it upside down, I haven’t mentioned it here because I assumed this was normal wear & tear.
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IMO nothing about this fatiguing so quickly should be considered normal.

invertedisdead said:
I broke a couple clips off a few solid valve housings on my Classic over the years. Used skewers and straws as a jerry-rig but it never did seal up the same for me. Luckily the housing itself is pretty cheap.

Actually forgot about the Volcano once and melted a solid valve enough that the spring wouldn't actuate anymore... :rofl::rofl:
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I only managed to loosen the tabs on my Solid valve after hundreds of hours of use and never had to replace one over nearly a decade. Not the same performance we should expect on the Hybrid housing it seems.
 
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CastIronHits said:
IMO nothing about this fatiguing so quickly should be considered normal.



I only managed to loosen the tabs on my Solid valve after hundreds of hours of use and never had to replace one over nearly a decade. Not the same performance we should expect on the Hybrid housing it seems.
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Yeah I didn't break the first housing until it was over 10 years old, but the weird thing is I broke the replacement very quickly. So quick, in fact, that I tried to get a new one through S&B CS claiming it was defective, but they didn't hook me up lol.
 
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