VaporGenie

[Egzoset]

Salutations ChildInTime,

By "wow" I meant the ones OF posted...

I'd like a toke from the Bronze model quite a bit myself since i believe my modded sphere would fit (it's a Classic)... If it's shaped to provide sufficient ability in avoiding accidental soot generation (via eye-contact) then i can only wish my local stores may offer it before Christmass! Though if it comes with no replacement "rock" i'm afraid there's going to be a problem...

 

[ChildInTime]

Sup guys, got a funny/stupid question.

Trying my new Vaporgenie Oak first time ever smoking and got a question. You are supposed to keep inhaling for 6-7 seconds and then take a vape inside. So if I am inhaling all those 6 seconds I am already can't take more breath, so I need to exhale air, but at the same time I already need to inhale my prepared vape.

So do I just exhale through the nose and then inhale vape? This way I see some of the vape goes away.

 

[grokit]

https://vaporgenie.zendesk.com/entries/24075153-How-is-the-VaporGenie-used-

I didn't see anything that would lead me to inhale for 6-7 seconds before vaping. I just let the flint dust burn off for a second or two and go for it.

There's also model-specific instructions at the bottom:
https://vaporgenie.zendesk.com/forums

 

[ChildInTime]

My manual says: "... toke should be about 6-10 seconds long"

 

[grokit]

So go slower and don't exhale. Practice makes perfect!

 

[ChildInTime]

So go slower and don't exhale. Practice makes perfect!

Well if I go slower then it will be even harder. ~8 seconds of inhale and then immediately vape inhale? ^^

 

[fake name]

Hey ChildInTime, are you using a "candle-flame" lighter like a bic? If so, you can get vapor much quicker with a mini torch style lighter. The lighters VG sells are good, and you can find a bunch of cheap ones on DX.com or on ebay.

Besides that, I would suggest trying to breathe slower. Try inhaling from your stomach, this should allow you to inhale more. a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaphragmatic_breathing


If those don't help, then try to heat your Genie up to just shy of vaporization temp, then exhale, then re-administer the flame to the stone for a shorter warm up time (since the stone is already warm). You probably will still lose a little vapor because it is hard to tell the temp, but not enough to really worry about (IMO). so inhale for five seconds if it take you 7 seconds to reach vapor, then exhale and go for another 5 seconds with the flame and a few seconds inhaling without it. Hopefully this should work for some big tasty hits.

 

[ChildInTime]

Hey ChildInTime, are you using a "candle-flame" lighter like a bic? If so, you can get vapor much quicker with a mini torch style lighter. The lighters VG sells are good, and you can find a bunch of cheap ones on DX.com or on ebay.

Besides that, I would suggest trying to breathe slower. Try inhaling from your stomach, this should allow you to inhale more. a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaphragmatic_breathing


If those don't help, then try to heat your Genie up to just shy of vaporization temp, then exhale, then re-administer the flame to the stone for a shorter warm up time (since the stone is already warm). You probably will still lose a little vapor because it is hard to tell the temp, but not enough to really worry about (IMO). so inhale for five seconds if it take you 7 seconds to reach vapor, then exhale and go for another 5 seconds with the flame and a few seconds inhaling without it. Hopefully this should work for some big tasty hits.

Yeah I'll get jet lighter soon, but now using simple bic lighter.

Actually I try to inhale as slow as possible while also keeping the flame inside, so I can't really go any slower of flame is not coming.

P.S. I think i just smoked around 0.1 gram and feeling just a little lightheadedness (and veeeeery red eyes), pretty much no effect Anyways, tommorow will try little more.

 

[grokit]

Well if I go slower then it will be even harder. ~8 seconds of inhale and then immediately vape inhale? ^^

I use a bic, and the way I do it is I inhale more forcefully at first to get it going as quick as possible, making sure that I hold the flame far enough away to avoid combustion. When I start tasting vapor I slow down the inhale, which gives me more vapor. If it starts to get too hot I speed it up again.

It may take a while to figure out your preferred technique, especially if your pipe is not the sherlock style. The main thing is to find your sweet spot between combustion and soot generation.

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations ChildInTime,

...got a funny/stupid question.

Gee, that one caused me to think hard about some possible answer i shall say! Maybe it's the fog...

...already can't take more breath, so I need to exhale air, but at the same time I already need to inhale my prepared vape.

So do I just exhale through the nose and then inhale vape? This way I see some of the vape goes away.

I've only used the VG Classic (significantly moddified) for a few months now but rest assured you'll eventually manage because if i did then my guess is anyone can! I'm not sure this is going to properly express my late experience with the pipe but i found it quite noticeable that while exhaling it goes through the nasal cavity and this is where i'd expect aroma/taste perceptions to take place. Also, to hold would be synonymous of pressure so i prefer to avoid keeping my thorax static for more than a second or so: i've tagged it the recirculation method. In essence i though of it while reading about the memory of water, again, long story...

Anyway, if you start with thick cannabic vapor and then exhale slightly to replenish the oxygen supply at each cycle this would result in "circulating" the goodies inside, enhancing absorption through agitation, leading to slow dilution but at least it fun longer! Euh... Not making sense i'm sure.

 

[ChildInTime]

I use a bic, and the way I do it is I inhale more forcefully at first to get it going as quick as possible, making sure that I hold the flame far enough away to avoid combustion. When I start tasting vapor I slow down the inhale, which gives me more vapor. If it starts to get too hot I speed it up again.

It may take a while to figure out your preferred technique, especially if your pipe is not the sherlock style. The main thing is to find your sweet spot between combustion and soot generation.

So the key question is, do you exhale while doing what you just mentioned or you are doing all of that in 1 big inhale? Because looking at videos in youtube it does not look like that exhale at anypoint while vaping.

@Egzoset Thanks dude, gonna try this way as well.

 

[grokit]

It's not a 1-hitter, it's more like the ssv where you have to get the plant materials going on the first hit, you can get a big one if you pace it right but the second hit is usually much better.

So go slower and don't exhale. Practice makes perfect!

 

[ChildInTime]

Day 2 of smoking:

I smoked 2 nearly full bowls of my VG but all what I feel is lightheaded, feeling little drunk, discomfort in the eyes and the feeling that my whole head is swollen. So i guess tomorrow I'll try even more, hopefully feel something more enjoyable.

P.S. my eyes are so bloody red it's insane. I hope it won't always be the case
P.P.S. Now I really feel the effect, feel completely drunk and head really feel strange, as well as losing concetration, but no enjoyable feelings at all or any relaxation.

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations Grokit,

It's not a 1-hitter...

Well, 1 bowl provides many "hits" if that's what you mean but it stops cooking once inhalation is over, nonetheless. I thought that was some criteria the VG will meet, though i may be confusing expressions as English ain't my native language.

...have to get the plant materials going on the first hit, you can get a big one if you pace it right but the second hit is usually much better.

Perhaps this simply corresponds to the convection aspect: personnally, it's like i must "build-up" my toke using convection (a V-Tower).

Which reminds me. What i meant the other evening is that the noble molecules don't necessarily float in uniform concentration in my lungs and airways right after i'm finished inhaling, quite on the contrary: i can reliably expect the first 1 - 2 seconds to serve pre-heating purposes only, but...

But when the load is in, trust me it's more concentrated near the lips! So, my recirculation ritual is about redistribution toward the lungs i'd say.

It seems i still often fail to detect rapidly enough when pre-heating was done, on occasions: there's already some good cloud in that system by the time i can feel it, which is the signal to begin the recirculation process which essentially turns out to be progressive exhalation promoting more continuity in respiration than if i were just holding. I figure my airways function like a buffer, i may even be a mutant, euh... But that's how i'd describe it so far anyway.

 

[grokit]

I should add that compared to the ssv I don't have to stir the glass sherlock between hits.

 

[Egzoset]

What can i say Grokit: the VaporGenie Glass Sherlock pipe would eventually end up in my hands too but we don't get that sort of local offer around here and i prefer to buy from a place where i can look first then pay next. It's the other way around with e-Commerce - on top of that replacement pucks don't sell alone as i recall...

 

[grokit]

The stones are pretty durable and they seem to clean up easily with a torch. They also have a free replacement program on them but need to verify you as an original purchaser or something.

 

[Egzoset]

Hi again Grokit,

Well, this type of designer ceramic may seem suitable for our favourite application but if one takes those bits in and out too often for multiple experiments (as i did) then erosion will render it useless because it will just end up being too loose to stay put inside... At that stage an eroded puck could still be useful on the bowl-side of my sphere if made thin, at least this part is easy enough as i trimmed down the material using a simple file and/or sand paper. The average VG user appears to manage without such modding, lucky them.

 

[Pcpvapors]

I would happily say that the vaporgenie can be a very good one hitter with proper technique. I've roasted loads and got where I needed to be within a hit (especially with the GSVG). I did save myself the task of cleaning the Sherlock body by putting cotton in the bowl, which after a few sessions had enough oils on it to just vape by itself

 

[ChildInTime]

I would happily say that the vaporgenie can be a very good one hitter with proper technique. I've roasted loads and got where I needed to be within a hit (especially with the GSVG). I did save myself the task of cleaning the Sherlock body by putting cotton in the bowl, which after a few sessions had enough oils on it to just vape by itself

By "1 hitter" you mean to get high out of 1 hit?

I just vaped ~7 good hits from full bowl and can't feel anything expect swollen face, red eyes, and dizziness. It's my only 3rd time vaping/smoking.

 

[grokit]

I think he means he was able to extract all the material in the bowl in a single draw.

I would happily say that the vaporgenie can be a very good one hitter with proper technique. I've roasted loads and got where I needed to be within a hit (especially with the GSVG). I did save myself the task of cleaning the Sherlock body by putting cotton in the bowl, which after a few sessions had enough oils on it to just vape by itself

I have some degummed hemp fiber incoming that I plan on doing stuff like this with, I will be comparing with organic cotton balls too.

 

[Pcpvapors]

I haven't noticed any flavors from my cottonball or seen any deterioration in the cottonball. As long as it has the Cotton logo it's organic unbleached.

 

[OF]

As long as it has the Cotton logo it's organic unbleached.

No, I don't think that's not even close to what's going on. That 'bug' is a trademark from a company/association promoting the entire cotton industry. Cotton Incorporated. Representing most of the growers? If you comply with their rules, you can use the trademark. Nothing about organic I can find.

I believe cotton growing uses some of the nastiest insecticides in agriculture for instance. Organic is something entirely different I think.

http://www.cottoninc.com/corporate/...orated-company-history/timeline.1960-1969.cfm

The do, of course, do a great service to society. Somebody had to stand up to polyester........

If you want organic, you need to seek it out?

OF

 

[grokit]

Yes with cotton you need to look for organic as well as the logo.

 

[Vitolo]

I am of the belief that "organic" does not matter in this capacity.
Organic refers to how it was grown.. and is a preference of those that wish to feel that they are supporting a "holistic" lifestyle.
Processed cotton is processed cotton, and is devoid of contaminants.
Fact is some "organic" cottons may be incompletely processed and unsuitable for medical use, actually having some rough matter.
I do not understand any uncertainty about cotton, and "which is usable".
Every pharmacy sells cotton.
It is 100% pure and ready for medical use of all types.
Buy it in the First Aid aisle, and then you can not go wrong.

(This is an opinion that has been developed after 30-40 years of experimenting and using Medical grade Cotton. This opinion is rock solid and unchangeable!)