VaporGenie

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I think vapmans moutpiece fits both 14 and 18 mm ;) Without the need of water adapter :p ...
90$ http://torontovaporizer.ca/portable-vaporizers/vapman-vaporizer.html ;) I have won the zeus vortex grinder on fb :) And its kickass I see that they even give free zeus bolt grinder which is almost the same and goes for 50 $ ;) ..
Well, i've heard of the Vapman before but i like the Lotus better because of its water filtration (bong) option. You can expect more feedback from me as i make progress. Wish me luck!...

:peace:
 
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stickstones

Vapor concierge
egzoset...why don't you put that vg top directly onto a bowl/downstem instead of using the silicone? I did this a long time ago and got great results.
 
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RUDE BOY

Space is the Place
egzoset...why don't you put that vg top directly onto a bowl/downstem instead of using the silicone? I did this a long time ago and got great results.
The top screws on the stainless bowls on old acrylic Bongs , or a sneak a toke . You can make some killer setups pretty Quickly with just a bowl and downstem from an old bong . simple fun.
 
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That's not nearly as portable as it used to be but there was no sneezing reaction although my nose felt moderately congested. In fact many things can still go wrong (even simultaneously!) at this stage, so i'm going to hold my conclusions - just for a while...

If you're that allergic to butane combustion exhaust, then just being near the lit torch may be a problem. If so you may not like the Hammer anyway because while it's heating up you can definitely smell the torch. You have to heat it up for approx 30 seconds before taking the first hit, and it is definitely smelly. I try to keep it at arm's length while lit. Once it's heated up I hit with the torch off.
 

Egzoset

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Salutations everyone,

You've all given me some good hints to think over and i'm grateful for this!

:bowdown:

I wonder, does pollen happen to be an exacerbating element in this equation or am i actually reacting to carbon dioxyde instead of butane?... I wish i could repeat these evaluations over different periods of the year, in any case. Meanwhile, another attempt with no water filtration caused my symptoms to return (after a moderate cannabic pause) last night. My refillable lighters may still be contaminated and hence multiple purge/refill cycles using filtered butane would be necessary. It might as well be about my present herbal batch, go figure!...

All i can tell is that water filtration appears to render the experience healthier, which makes me wish i could conveniently fit the VG system on a water accessory indeed!

:peace:
 
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satyrday

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I wonder, does pollen happen to be an exacerbating element in this equation or am i actually reacting to carbon dioxyde instead of butane?
Could very well be the butane combustion by-products and not the butane itself. Since the butane is mostly burned up from what I understand, the exhaust or the soot may be your problem.

Here are some other people asking the same questions:
http://www.instructables.com/answers/Is-lighter-flamesmokefume-toxic/

Not sure what other by-products besides carbon dioxide or monoxide there might be.

I doubt ALL the butane gets burnt up. Some escapes the flame I bet (especially if you have to click a few times to get the torch lit), so it could still be butane sensitivity.
 
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paytonpenn

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All i can tell is that water filtration appears to render the experience healthier, which makes me wish i could conveniently fit the VG system on a water accessory indeed!

:peace:
You can't just use a tube to fip and screw on your genie and connect that to a 14mm?
I can definitely understand if I am seeing this all incorrectly, you posts are interesting, but so confusing. Plus it seems that you're modding the poop out of your genie.
 
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stickstones

Vapor concierge
The top screws on the stainless bowls on old acrylic Bongs , or a sneak a toke . You can make some killer setups pretty Quickly with just a bowl and downstem from an old bong . simple fun.

This is exactly what I did, except my bowl was brass.

egzoset...you must do this with ice in the tube. It was one of the best hits ever and I still remember it fondly.
 

Egzoset

Banned
Salutations PaytonPenn,
Salutations StickStones,

...you posts are interesting, but so confusing.

It's good to get feedback, but i wish i knew how/where improvement would help most.

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...it seems that you're modding the poop out of your genie.

Now i'm the one who's confused, is that good or is that bad?...

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...you must do this with ice in the tube.

Depending on what needs to be filtered out, since Carbon Dioxyde (CO2) disolves best in cold water, i sure intend to give it a try - BUT... Quite frankly, my mind tends to slip away from VG territory already.

If i must depend on water it's definitely safe to expect that i'll be looking for a "Plan-A" soon because then the VH will serve as "Plan-B" again, not forgeting it's a convenient tool for aroma/taste quick samples. Yet, the need for water changes everything.

I do appreciate all of the support, nonetheless. Thanks!

:peace:
 
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satyrday

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Quite frankly, my mind tends to slip away from VG territory already.

If i must depend on water it's definitely safe to expect that i'll be looking for a "Plan-A" soon because then the VH will serve as "Plan-B" again, not forgeting it's a convenient tool for aroma/taste quick samples. Yet, the need for water changes everything.

I do appreciate all of the support, nonetheless. Thanks!

:peace:
I think it would be interesting if you listed all your detailed requirements in an 'Ask FC' post. I appreciate your thoughtfulness when it comes to evaluating your vape needs and experiences, and I would like to hear responses from other members to your situation.
 
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Egzoset

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Salutations Satyrday,

I think it would be interesting if you listed all your detailed requirements in an 'Ask FC' post. I appreciate your thoughtfulness when it comes to evaluating your vape needs and experiences, and I would like to hear responses from other members to your situation.

That's some mamoth challenge! I got similar thoughts a couple hours ago but it seemed to me that even if i could have done it then success still wasn't likely - but perhaps you're right so i shall try, eventually. When i'm done re-reading my posts so i can think of a proper way to put things in perspective, etc...

It's a nice compliment to make in any case.

:peace:
 
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Egzoset

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Hi again Satyrday,

This is only for the purpose of documention, in case i happen to have a complementary picture to post later:

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This would be "before"... Maybe in a couple weeks there can be an "after"!

Anyway, so far so good. My complete inhalation time is now down to 8 ~ 12 seconds, the hot spot above is average: i still get some bad ones but the good ones have improved. Overall i'm OKay with it at the moment, there may be more comments to come as they occur.

:peace:
 
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The one I bought about a year ago (and still works!) is this: http://dx.com/p/stylish-silver-cigar-lighter-10080 It's unfortunately not in stock anymore, so if mine broke I would purchase this: http://dx.com/p/zinc-alloy-pu-butane-gas-lighter-for-smoking-pipe-black-silver-182582
It ships from China so it will take a few weeks to arrive, but it's cheap and good quality for the price so it's worth the wait. At least mine was...the new one looks pretty solidly built though.



Shmoo replied this in another thread and I wanted to give him props. I bought the zinc alloy lighter and it works absolutely perfect for the vapor genie!!! Thanks Shmoo!
 

Egzoset

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Salutations ,

I bought the zinc alloy lighter and it works absolutely perfect for the vapor genie!!!

It happens that i wanted to know which is which in the world of lighter clones as Jobon does appear to offer many of those which i can also recognize on the web sites of competitors. Not long ago i've made contact in writing with a local reseller asking him about Xikar's "Resource" aka the Vector KGM Gladius (or vice-versa!)... Since Xikar butane gas was the best i could hope for lately i'm probably going to pick a lighter of the same-name brand if i get a chance.

Lighters being a major part on which VG's design depends it's not a trivial matter, that's no good if/when a flame goes On & Off or it becomes 4 inches long all the sudden, whatever. Until now the Bic miniTronic has been my best second pick... Also lets be cautious with the ones that have their fire tainted green or red, i believe those inherit fashion colour via additives (like copper, for example).

:uhoh:

Thank you for letting me know about your findings, i value that!

:peace:
 
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Hello,

I've recently returned to using the herb and am finding the magic of my MFLB has long since worn off; I'm tired of dealing with batteries and it just doesn't hit very hard. Thus far my searches into a reasonably portable unit that can create huge amounts of high-quality vapor has led to the Arizer Solo, DaVinci, Pax and VaporGenie glass/bronze. I'd rather not putz about with battery charging, especially non-replaceable batteries like in the Solo/Pax, however.

How does the glass VaporGenie compare to those other highly-regarded portable vapes in terms of vapor production and efficiency for getting everything out of the herb? If it compares favorably, how does the bronze Vaporgenie compare to the glass? I much prefer the look and durability of the bronze, as well as being able to use a torch lighter without cracking it, but if the glass is functionally superior at extracting vapor then so be it, I'll go with the dog dong.

Thank you!
 
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Thus far my searches into a reasonably portable unit that can create huge amounts of high-quality vapor has led to the Arizer Solo, DaVinci, Pax and VaporGenie glass/bronze. I'd rather not putz about with battery charging, especially non-replaceable batteries like in the Solo/Pax, however.
I'll let someone else with more VG experience answer your questions, but I'd say add the Hammer to your list. No battery & huge amounts of high-quality vapor (plus no direct inhalation of butane exhaust).
 
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OF

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If it compares favorably, how does the bronze Vaporgenie compare to the glass? I much prefer the look and durability of the bronze, as well as being able to use a torch lighter without cracking it, but if the glass is functionally superior at extracting vapor then so be it, I'll go with the dog dong.

If I 'read' you right you should be most happy with the Bronze version. IMO it's the best of breed. I recall an engineer there saying it was his favorite as well. Mine is right here on the desk, and is getting a lovely patina growing on it. I swapped bowls though, I found the round one it came with not as easy to hold onto as the more conventional (walnut) shaped one. I too use and prefer a small torch lighter.

Good luck with your decision, although I feel you're really missing a bet with the new batteries in MFLB, it really does 'make it a whole new box'.

OF
 

Egzoset

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Salutations sadf,
Salutations Satyrday,
Salutations OF,

...I'm tired of dealing with batteries...

Well, in your present case there may be such irritating aspects specific to the MLFB (or possibly similar), but it wouldn't be fair to pretend that lighters don't cause some worries of their own.

Read backwards to find out!...

:worms:

...it just doesn't hit very hard.

I'm a firm believer that plenty of power is nice, as long as it's not going to blow up. Slow electric machines make you suck on dry cannabic vapour for minutes while a "1 Hit" session using FIRE would never last any more than 30~ seconds, which has a noticeable influence over aroma/taste perception IMHO. With a VaporGenie you don't get to think about humidification because it's built-in, though the actual design allows a lot of butane-related contaminents to enter the system simultaneously, i must admit! As a matter of fact it was a real problem for me a while ago.

Nonetheless, if i'm lucky this aspect shall become a non-issue in a matter of weeks if not sooner, but YMMV, always!

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How does the glass VaporGenie compare to those other highly-regarded portable vapes in terms of vapor production and efficiency...

If all of the examples you've listed really correspond to such a qualificative then i'd be in trouble trying to imagine a proper term capable of making unanimity about my venerable HerbalAire which died only 1 week after i got my VG!

Nonetheless, if an HA could compare then, euh... I suppose one could quote me relatively to re-vaping still-green VG ABV in my table unit. It's not clear to me that i'd master my modded VG pipe so expertly i could hope to finish HA ABV, in any instance!! It seems the HerbalAire does an excellent extraction job but there's a trade-off to make comparatively to the VG (in terms of delay).

Speaking of time, i feel necessary to insist over swapping between 2 lighters (or more!) to avoid overheating, especially if those are plastic jetables! In fact i think you'll see quite well what parallel this may invoke considering how tiresome it can become having to carry some portable inside a heavy pouch full of add-ons, after all...

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...how does the bronze Vaporgenie compare to the glass?

Once again, if PVC is OKay then i'll comment that clear translucent is better because water vapor will condense on the inside wall of any VG neck, unless it's so hot it evaporates (hence i wonder if the bronze model wouldn't behave in this manner)...

Seeing through will remind you it's time to reclaim if/when necessary! :nod:

...or clean if you've combusted!...:puke:

I much prefer the look and durability of the bronze, as well as being able to use a torch lighter without cracking it...

Hummm... Bronze looks "sexy" here too, torch flames even better if it will reduce butane-related contamination. Visual eye-contact with the collector apperture is a feature i needed so much i created my own extension accessories to get that; so i'll guess this says how much i'd find suitable to advise future/potential VG clients to consider that particular selection criteria: watch that flame. I do have the possibility to look inside my PVC tube and yet i don't even want to try because my attention is focussed on the flame, since its tip enters INSIDE my device (it's major pitfall as that's causing me concerns). To understand what i mean observe the flame's tip right from the begining when streak lines form vertically on top...

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...if the glass is functionally superior...

It's no secret that glass eases maintenance a great deal, which enhaces aroma/taste. In comparison wood is an absorbant material, as proof just ask the manufacturer if they'd recommend to soak a classic VG pipe in water!... In other words wood does absorb, yet it's not that bad in this application by virtue of its heat insulation properties. You won't get that later feature with bronze or glass, though at least with metal it shouldn't be difficult to keep it clean and ready.

...add the Hammer to your list.

Indeed, count me in as well since there's been some serious developments lately, if you ask me. The possibility to obtain pre-humidified clean cannabic vapour during a brief session makes me unusually enthousiast so i'll probably delay a purchase waiting to see how dryness can be cured. There wouldn't be water accessories around if i could help it at all and this was great news for me as i can't think of a better option overall.

I swapped bowls...

Bowls and sintered-ceramic pellets may be two items that need close attention, i don't know if i could have modded a bronze VG for example, etc., but i know these add-ons must be order at the time of purchase, as i recall. If one foresees a need for 2 pellets then he must buy his together, apparently... In the later case i'd be unable to confirm that 2 "filters" can fit in anything different from my classic version, it may become desirable to think of a spare sperical heat collector as well! Then other alternatives might emerge, etc.

:peace:
 
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jambandphan03

in flavor country
I decided to hold off on getting the sherloc/bronze VG for a bit, since I already have 3 regular VG pipes and have been mostly using the healthstone/VG hybrid vape now. I do like the idea of looking down onto the bowl though, for easier lighting. I already have some depth of field problems since one of my eyes has very poor vision, so it's sometimes pure luck that I am getting the torch lighter to line up with the bowl, being so close to my face. :D I still manage though
 
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I decided to hold off on getting the sherloc/bronze VG for a bit, since I already have 3 regular VG pipes and have been mostly using the healthstone/VG hybrid vape now. I do like the idea of looking down onto the bowl though, for easier lighting. I already have some depth of field problems since one of my eyes has very poor vision, so it's sometimes pure luck that I am getting the torch lighter to line up with the bowl, being so close to my face. :D I still manage though

jam, have you thought about doing a bronze bottom + vg glass top? I think that would be very pleasant, :)
 
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jambandphan03

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Interesting idea but I don't know how you would get the parts to match up, part of what makes the VG work, at least from my understanding is having a load, then a small gap of air, and then the heat diffuser. I just don't know how you would secure the glass top on the threaded portion of the base.
 
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I don't know how you would rig that one up, vorrange.
Interesting idea but I don't know how you would get the parts to match up, part of what makes the VG work, at least from my understanding is having a load, then a small gap of air, and then the heat diffuser. I just don't know how you would secure the glass top on the threaded portion of the base.

Yeah, for a moment i just though of how the glass vg works, and didn't remember that the bronze had threads like in the wood genies. :doh:

Carry on, nothing to see here. :lol:
 

SSVUN~YAH

You Must Unlearn, What You Have Learned...
Well, I haven't used my VG much since my glass arrived. Since I don't imagine I will need it until vacation this summer, I am going to sell it to a friend who is interested in vaporizing. It will be his first vape and I told him at 36 bucks he won't find a better bargain. I am thinking about getting a VG top with FC discount from VaporNation, and combining that with an acrylic style bong from alibaba for 8 or 12 bucks. I think that would be a great combo for vacation! Any thoughts? Recommendations?
 
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