VaporCup Deluxe Vaporizer

[lwien]

WE - Have the best ........ vaporizer on the market.

 

[fregglepops]

are you a detective @Jack Sprat hahaha

 

[scottg402]

I asked them a few questions and the answers were not in "broken english".
Seemed pretty much normal to me.
I was talking to a guy named Michael,

I have been talking to Michael over email as well. He seems like he has a pretty good head on his shoulders based on the limited communication I've had with him. He stated he developed this based on dissatisfaction from other vapes and it sounds like he is a medical user too. He brings 25 years of manufacturing experience to the table so I'm sure that helped to get this off the ground.

I am actually really curious about this one. This is one of those devices where it's stealth doesn't come from being small where you have the ability to conceal it. The stealth comes from its ability to hide in plain site as a common household good. That's pretry cool in my opinion.

But what I really want to know about is the taste. I have a MiniVap now and a Herbalizer on the way. I'm curious how this will hold up against those two (or even against the Crafty for that matter).

 

[fregglepops]

yeah sorry bout that it would appear my reading of his email was somewhat hurried and i misread a huge chunk of it which then led me to think that it wasn't making any sense......thats my bad,on re reading the sentence it now makes perfect sense and in the right context too............back to school for me and i'm off to stand on the naughty step for being a fanny

 

[Toaster]

The taste is pretty great so far.
With the glass straw the taste is pure piney herb goodness. Very clean taste.
With the heat chamber it is pretty much the same.
I would think it does depend on the herb you are using.
I have been using Sativas, and the taste of the vapor is impressively clean and tasty.

Oddly enough, some herbs seem to vaporize better than others.
I got a nice selection from the dispensary for Christmas, so I have been switching them out to see what is best.
Maui Wowie, Bruce Banner, and Jack Herer seem to Vape awesomely. Lots of ploomy vapor.
NYC Deisel and X5-13 made me feel like I was coming down with the flu.
Maybe they have some pollen thing that disagrees with my system.

Both the glass straw and the removable chamber can be soaked in alcohol to clean them.
I was going to take out the steel chamber for a clean, but looking in there it is spotless so far.
I have been mostly using the glass straw, so that is probably why it is still so clean inside.
The glass straw is starting to look like it could use a soak in alcohol, but that is easy to do.
I just realized I don't have any though. Maybe I will get some of that cleaning stuff they have at the head shop. That stuff works amazingly well on bongs. Although it is probably just alcohol anyway.

I had a hell of a time keeping my No2 clean.
After a while it would make me cough.
I have yet to cough with the VaporCup.

 

[fregglepops]

The taste is pretty great so far.
With the glass straw the taste is pure piney herb goodness. Very clean taste.
With the heat chamber it is pretty much the same.
I would think it does depend on the herb you are using.
I have been using Sativas, and the taste of the vapor is impressively clean and tasty.

Oddly enough, some herbs seem to vaporize better than others.
I got a nice selection from the dispensary for Christmas, so I have been switching them out to see what is best.
Maui Wowie, Bruce Banner, and Jack Herer seem to Vape awesomely. Lots of ploomy vapor.
NYC Deisel and X5-13 made me feel like I was coming down with the flu.
Maybe they have some pollen thing that disagrees with my system.

Both the glass straw and the removable chamber can be soaked in alcohol to clean them.
I was going to take out the steel chamber for a clean, but looking in there it is spotless so far.
I have been mostly using the glass straw, so that is probably why it is still so clean inside.
The glass straw is starting to look like it could use a soak in alcohol, but that is easy to do.
I just realized I don't have any though. Maybe I will get some of that cleaning stuff they have at the head shop. That stuff works amazingly well on bongs. Although it is probably just alcohol anyway.

I had a hell of a time keeping my No2 clean.
After a while it would make me cough.
I have yet to cough with the VaporCup.

You're starting to sound like a sales rep for vaporcup.........or you just really like it?

 

[Stu]

You're starting to sound like a sales rep for vaporcup.........or you just really like it?

He won't be able to reply until he gets commercial approval from vtac. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for his reply, though.

 

[Slow Draw McGraw]

Cynical eh?


You seem to be really rooting for this vape

Remember this?

 

[lwien]

You would think that you would first ask yourself, "The upside of pretending to be an end user who is super satisfied with a product is that I could gain some exposure and some sales. The downside is that if I get caught, I will have created more bad-will and negative "press" which would do the product more harm than if I never showed up at FC at all, or maybe I should just contact the owner of the site and get commercial approval rather than sneaking in the back door. Hmmmm.............what should I do? "

 

[fregglepops]

You would think that you would first ask yourself, "The upside of pretending to be an end user who is super satisfied with a product is that I could gain some exposure and some sales. The downside is that if I get caught, I will have created more bad-will and negative "press" which would do the product more harm than if I never showed up at FC at all, or maybe I should just contact the owner of the site and get commercial approval rather than sneaking in the back door. Hmmmm.............what should I do? "

couldn't have put it better myself!!! Still think this is a rejigged NO2,and it's a pity it wasn't priced as such as i would check it out as i liked my old no2. I will say i cannot believe i held my tongue for 3 pages......was itching to say something since page 1

 

[scottg402]

You would think that you would first ask yourself, "The upside of pretending to be an end user who is super satisfied with a product is that I could gain some exposure and some sales. The downside is that if I get caught, I will have created more bad-will and negative "press" which would do the product more harm than if I never showed up at FC at all, or maybe I should just contact the owner of the site and get commercial approval rather than sneaking in the back door. Hmmmm.............what should I do? "

I'm wondering if this is one of Michael's "sales people". He indicated to me that they are only selling to direct sales reps right now and may bring on some head shops in the future.

Then again this could be Michael himself. Who the hell knows??

Ironically before all this I sent him an email suggesting they come on and register at FC. Even sent him specific links how to do it "the right way".

Let's see what happens.

 

[Slow Draw McGraw]

Share some of that Scott.

We all knew. Like A Pink elephant.The best part is that I've been lurking FC enough before I registred to know it when I see it and that combined with not being a TOTAL idiot. Good thing for the be nice rule. He could have sold bajillions To this new comer. I wonder if he reading this right now.

 

[fregglepops]

michael/toaster will be reading this........somehow i don't think it's lead free brass in there........i doubt he even knows if it is or not......

 

[scottg402]

Share some of that Scott.

We all knew. Like A Pink elephant.The best part is that I've been lurking FC enough before I registred to know it when I see it and that combined with not being a TOTAL idiot. Good thing for the be nice rule. He could have sold bajillions To this new comer. I wonder if he reading this right now.

I am going to give it a little time to let this play out and see if we can get to the bottom of this. Michael has not responded to me yet and I'm interested to hear his explanation for all of this.

I will report back with everything once I hear.

Edit:

Ok, Michael responded and is going to call me shortly to talk. I asked him point blank if he was Toaster and he said no. He has never posted on FC. Doesn't mean this wasn't a sales representative contracted by VaporCup and doesn't mean it was either. Even if it was a contrated sales person it doesn't mean VaporCup was aware it was happening.

For me I want to see how this device performs. I am by know means the most experienced or educated on FC but I think I've tried enough vapes to make a good assessment of where it falls.

I am also going to encourage him to join FC through the official channels. This will give us all access to ask questions directly and clear up any misconception of who they are so folks can feel confident on who they are dealing with.

In my dealings with Micheal over email he seemed genuine so I think it's only fair that we allow things to be cleared up before any other speculation occurs.

 

[RUDE BOY]

I had a hell of a time keeping my No2 clean.
After a while it would make me cough.
I have yet to cough with the VaporCup.

I always have found the no2 really simple to keep clean there's not much to clean, its Just the screw off top piece that really needs cleaning ever.

The whole no2 deep cleaning process takes a only few minutes every couple of months( change screen, run pipe cleaner through the little mp nipple where the tube attaches).
As I see it, as long as you just brush off the top screen and brush out the bowl after sessions like vapir recommends it stays pretty clean and doesn't require deep cleaning very often.

Simple daily maintenance like using the provided brush actually saves time and keeps it working like new IMHO.

Seems to me from watching the Vaporcup video that there's gonna be as much if not more cleaning going on.

My no2 in a water bottle sheath still looks more stealthy to me than a giant steal and plastic "coffee" cup.

 

[scottg402]

Just got off the phone with Micheal. We spoke for about 30 minutes.

Seemed like a very nice guy. 53 year old "artist/entrepreneur" from Southern California who developed this out of dissatisfaction of other vaporizers he used.

We spoke about Toaster and he assured me that he hasn't hired anyone so it's probably not a sales representative. Maybe we have this guy pegged wrong or there is another explanation??

He said they are just getting going so right now so they are just running adds in High Times and have plans to build a sales team starting in the states that allow medical use.

As mentioned before he also has plans to be at the L.A. CC so folks can check them out there.

He stated again that all materials used to make the VaporCup are safe. Even said the VaporCup will be used soon in some medical trials but we didn't get into that any further.

He said he wants to send me a unit for trial to form my own opinion. Of course I said ok. I should have it next week and will report back with my thoughts. At least you will have my opinion if that matters to anyone. I already warned him that I have a number of goodies to compare to so the bar is high. He seemed confident enough to tell me he was sure I would like it so let's just see.

Lastly he told me he was not much of an internet guy so he didn't know about FC but seemed interested in signing up. I warned him to do it the right way and follow the directions for manufacturers (including sending an email to Vtac). He said he was actually off on vacation this week but will look into it Monday.

I will report back after get it and have had some time with it.

 

[lwien]

One thing to mention. It was said in a few posts back that this vaporizer was designed in Los Angeles. Toaster also lives in Los Angeles. So does Michael.

 

[scottg402]

One thing to mention. It was said in a few posts back that this vaporizer was designed in Los Angeles. Toaster also lives in Los Angeles. So does Michael.

Yes and their first sales were probably made in Los Angeles so there could be an explanation. I understand Toaster is under suspicion for opening up an account and spreading all this good word on a new vaporizer but let's just see how this plays out. Toaster didn't have a lot to compare to with his past history of vapes. You judge for yourself whether you value my opinion or not.

 

[fregglepops]

toaster equals michael undoubtedly IMO undoubtedly,but i look fowrard to hearing if it's worth the 250 dollars you managed to avoid paying. I'm JOKING here please do not take offence!!!!

 

[scottg402]

You know it's funny that I have been down this road before on other threads where members started accusing other members of being a shill. Funny thing is that it was never substantiated.

I get it, there are some sneaky folks out there in this business but to start making these types of accusations without any proof is kinda sad if you ask me. The same thing happened before and now that manufacturer is on board here at FC and is a positive contributing member to this community through the pay it forward program (http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/paying-it-forward-a-new-direction.13802/). Additionally members who were initially critical on the so called shill are supporters of the product and became active members on the thread with similar positive comments about the product.

My point here is to just sit back and wait. If the product is a pile of crap, I'm going to tell you that. If deceptive business practices is the way people want to start a company then it will no doubt catch up to them. There is no need to throw all this negativity out there at this point unless you have some concrete proof.

I could be getting taken for a fool but Michael seemed sincere to me and he even spoke about surrounding himself with good people to build his company. I choose to believe him until I have a valid reason not to.

Regarding the free vaporizer. This would not be the first free vaporizer I have received and this is not about needing another one. In fact I offered to send it back to him after I tested it. I have plenty of good ones to keep me going and more on the way.

I offered to test this to give him independent perspective and feedback on possible improvements and that's what I intend to do.

 

[fregglepops]

i did say i was joking........

 

[scottg402]

I'm not taking offence. Just sayin'....

 

[fregglepops]

cool cause offence was not intended

 

[Slow Draw McGraw]

How bout that New Years??!!!

 

[Jack Sprat]

You know it's funny that I have been down this road before on other threads where members started accusing other members of being a shill. Funny thing is that it was never substantiated.

I get it, there are some sneaky folks out there in this business but to start making these types of accusations without any proof is kinda sad if you ask me. The same thing happened before and now that manufacturer is on board here at FC and is a positive contributing member to this community through the pay it forward program (http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/paying-it-forward-a-new-direction.13802/). Additionally members who were initially critical on the so called shill are supporters of the product and became active members on the thread with similar positive comments about the product.

My point here is to just sit back and wait. If the product is a pile of crap, I'm going to tell you that. If deceptive business practices is the way people want to start a company then it will no doubt catch up to them. There is no need to throw all this negativity out there at this point unless you have some concrete proof.

I could be getting taken for a fool but Michael seemed sincere to me and he even spoke about surrounding himself with good people to build his company. I choose to believe him until I have a valid reason not to.

Regarding the free vaporizer. This would not be the first free vaporizer I have received and this is not about needing another one. In fact I offered to send it back to him after I tested it. I have plenty of good ones to keep me going and more on the way.

I offered to test this to give him independent perspective and feedback on possible improvements and that's what I intend to do.

It's not one thing that gives me pause, but all the little things together that put up a red flag about this company.

Saying they have 35 years experience and the company being only months old, being in the casino alcohol slushy business and applying to start a dispensary, direct marketing sales as opposed to having a professional sales team, claiming to be the best vape on the market, priced rather high, etc, etc, etc.

One of these things alone won't get my attention, but all of them together certainly makes me very cautious about the company and their product.