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I seen a solar bird killer on bbc last night in the California desert seems a good start point or ~~~
How about heating vapman with an old TV
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How about heating vapman with an old TV
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WakeAndVape
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As would I. Your missing my point though. While I'm sure the official vapman torch is primo, if you ever lost or broke one...its worthlessi'd rather consider a torch an essential.
@ $15 each, you would only have to loose about 7 to pay for another vapman VS 47!!! Of the other (cheaper) lighters that work just as good!
A torch IS essential.
If getting expensive 'official' lighters keep you warm at night, I'm not trying to make you cold.
Petro
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Before I owned a Vapman I saw the price of the stations and was like "pfft, whatever", now that I am a keen Vapman user I can see myself forking over the money for a station no problem. I have 100% confidence in Rene. I hope one day I can have the Vapman station sitting proudly next to my UD, ready to heat up in a moments notice.
axakal
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i understand you and i totally see your point. i was just taking a cheap shot at your remark about VAS and accessorising. unlike other accessories out there, that are rather optional, a good torch is an absolute essential, which doesn't mean it has to be expensive. i hope my vapman torch doesn't fail all too soon, for that case i have a backup. but should it die on me, i can't see anything wrong in following OF's recommendation.
OF
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I agree, getting a solid torch of some sort is much more important than which one.
IMO the VM unit is definitely 'higher quality', that is 'better made', even if it uses the exact same important parts (igniters, valves, etc.) as others. It is a pleasure to own and 'fits' the VM theme I think.
However, I have an ergonomic problem with using it over time. Because it requires pushing straight down into my fist I have to clench harder to use it and hold my hand at an awkward angle compared to the $3 one. There you push against the flat under your index finger, improving your grip rather than forcing you to clamp harder. And the nozzle angle is 'just right' for pointing it into the sweet spot on the VM pan.
And the price is attractive, not always the case.
You need a backup, and for me that includes a backup VM. Mine is Walnut, meaning I can loan my original Pear one (still in excellent condition) when the opportunity comes along and enjoy a special treat for a while. The VM lighter is stored with it, which seems fitting to me. All part of the VM mystique......or should that be lore? Or cult foundations? Coven doctrine?
I still like the solar VM idea, I ordered a lens to mess around with. While it might make a fun stem vape, somehow a solar powered VM seems 'right'.
OF
WakeAndVape
VapeLife X
I thought you might be taking a 'cheap' shot, I just expected better from you...
...how to deal with the pain of disappointment?
A bowl in the vapman should do the trick!
axakal
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c'mon man, it's all good as long as you have got your vapman and a torch. if it helps with your disappointment, i vape a bowl in your honor later tonight.
if it helps with your disappointment, i vape a bowl in your honor later tonight. 
natural farmer
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OF
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Beats me, I'm not there yet.
Another way to do it might be to heat a large mass of say Aluminum then make direct mechanical contact like the Heating Station does. This means something like black anodizing might be a better call? Or even high temperature 'hot rod' paint (basically carbon black in a binder that'll take the heat).
There are also some graphites that conduct heat very well. I suspect the solar collector guys have beat that part up well. No need to go with the Black Gold idea (unless it's on Gold?) that I see right now.
OF
We had discussed it long time ago at the Lotus thread but there was no follow-up… May be there was no follow-up on the Lotus thread because it is simply not possible to heat up such vaporizers with a normal size (1-3 inches) magnifying glass. Of course the black surface would help to absorb as much heat as possible but still, a magnifying glass can never compete with a gas lighter.
A torch with a medium flame delivers easily 100W of energy, to catch the same amount of energy from the sun you would need a magnifying glass of a much bigger size, may be a diameter of 12 inches (300mm), definitely too big to call it portable. @OF, please correct me in case you know more details about this.
Anyway, about three years ago, the sun was shining brightly through the window of my workshop, I had exactly the same idea when looking at the magnifying glass (diameter 3 inches) lying on the work bench. I held the magnifying glass in a right angle to sun trying to direct the focused spot on to the apex of the bowl and observed what happened. Not much happened, the bowl got slightly warm and that was it. After reflecting about it, I was not surprised about the result at all, knowing that 1 square meter of sunlight provides about 1000W, it was clear to me that a small magnifying glass is never enough to heat up vapman to 200°C. Sorry about this but these are the laws of physics.
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OF
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A torch with a medium flame delivers easily 100W of energy, to catch the same amount of energy from the sun you would need a magnifying glass of a much bigger size, may be a diameter of 12 inches (300mm), definitely too big to call it portable. @OF, please correct me in case you know more details about this.
After reflecting about it, I was not surprised about the result at all, knowing that 1 square meter of sunlight provides about 1000W, it was clear to me that a small magnifying glass is never enough to heat up vapman to 200°C. Sorry about this but these are the laws of physics.
I think you're basically right, I think you need something like 20 Watts to play. The Heating Station is a couple times that and does the job quite fast? 1/50 of a square meter is a reasonable size if all is right? Say four times your small lens? The lens I ordered to play with is 7 by 10 inches, about 1/20 of a square meter. 70 square inches, not the 7 of your test.
As I said before, I think a collector four times the area of your test is the minimum to get into the game.
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vapman.94/page-179#post-846461
Hopefully by starting with 50 Watts incident (in ideal conditions) will still leave enough steam for the task.
While what I'm talking about needs to be 'set up' and held facing the sun I don't think that means it can't be portable?. It could, perhaps, be made to 'knock down' (you could even roll up the lens) and should not weigh very much. Not practical perhaps, especially for routine use, but a fun exercise none the less?
OF
@OF Be careful about comparing the power of the Heating Station with the power required from the lens. The station works to about 50% with stored energy. You probably observed already that after heating a cold vapman, the Station stays in the heating mode (red light) for a few seconds before it gets back to the standby mode (yellow light) to make up the difference. Nevertheless, I think a lens with 50W energy should work, the focusing of the heat to the apex of the bowl is probably more efficient than with a gas flame, where parts of the heat radiates in to the surrounding. Fun project!
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OF
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Thanks for the sound advice, I tend to be an Experimentalist as opposed to Theorist. Back of the Envelope numbers are just a reality check.
Initially I plan to count heavily on stored energy. Heating a mass, not the VM, by the sun. In fact probably making 'first vapor' with a herb filled stem rather than an actual VM.
This also eliminates a serious safety issue, a sling flash of the concentrated sun off the pan could lead to a trip to the eye doctor or worse. Dangerous stuff. By heating a (contained) mass I hope to avoid that possibility.
Or not. Time will tell. Great timing for a solar project.......shortening days and weaker sun.....
OF
lemmeadem
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Got my personal optimal Vapman function going on with my D020 and a Solo o-ring around the top of the mouthpiece to seal with the piece.
I haven't been on FC since then. D: I usually check by every day, if only for 10 minutes or so. It's just... I honestly and guiltily thought about selling my Air. It's so satisfying, when I've got a bowl rolling and finish it in three nice, big, successive hits, it makes me think twice about battery and heat-up times. It's crazy - straight back to the ritual of smoking.
Being high for the first time, vaping for the first time, Vapman for the first time - thus is the progression of monumental moments in my marijuana career.
Would just like to add: After further thought, I'm going to keep the Air - it's definitely a lot more stable and the effects are easily predictable when dosage, temperature and cannabinoid ranges are set and the only factor that needs to be figured by the user is draw (and even then, the Air/Solo is pretty hard to fuck up). Plus, low-temp vaping with the Vapman is too difficult for me to accurately sustain and I enjoy the Air's lowest setting's effects tremendously. 180c never tasted so good.
I haven't been on FC since then. D: I usually check by every day, if only for 10 minutes or so. It's just... I honestly and guiltily thought about selling my Air. It's so satisfying, when I've got a bowl rolling and finish it in three nice, big, successive hits, it makes me think twice about battery and heat-up times. It's crazy - straight back to the ritual of smoking.
Being high for the first time, vaping for the first time, Vapman for the first time - thus is the progression of monumental moments in my marijuana career.
Would just like to add: After further thought, I'm going to keep the Air - it's definitely a lot more stable and the effects are easily predictable when dosage, temperature and cannabinoid ranges are set and the only factor that needs to be figured by the user is draw (and even then, the Air/Solo is pretty hard to fuck up). Plus, low-temp vaping with the Vapman is too difficult for me to accurately sustain and I enjoy the Air's lowest setting's effects tremendously. 180c never tasted so good.
@lemmeadem What about heating your vapman just a bit less for low-temp vaporizing? In fact, I think vapman is ideal to get all the flavors because there is hardly any preheating time where a lot of the flavors can get lost.
This is what I do with each load to get maximum flavors:
After loading I heat vapman for only 3 seconds and take a first draw, at these low temperature you get the full spectrum of all the flavors together with a warm and moist stream from the drying process. While inhaling the first and very tasty draw, I keep my lighter usually on and hit vapman straight after for another three seconds to get more of the flavors. After heating the third time, the vapor stage starts, the strongest flavors are gone by then and the tasteless and psychoactive vapors are starting to come through. This way you get the best out of both worlds, first the flavors and then the vapor.
Because vapman heats up so fast, you get more flavors than on any other vaporizer needing to preheat for much longer! Remember that flavors are very delicate and evaporate already at room temperatures, this is why we can smell the herbs without having to heat them before.
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Gourmet
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True Story! The terpens, terpenoids and flavonoids are the most underestimated group of molecules in cannabis.
http://www.zamnesia.com/blog-beyond-cannabinoids-flavonoids-terpenes-terpenoids-of-cannabis-n301
They start to evaporate by room temperature and before most of the cannabinoids volatilizes, they are already gone.
utekai
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Vapman can be purchased in various woods and with or without mica shielding. Having had the opportunity to use a number of different vapman models with and without mica one vapman model has eventually settled out on top as my absolute favorite.
By the way, also have the vapman station and for it have a pear wood basic model that's used exclusively with VS1 so no charring at all. The wood colors match up nicely and the body doesn't get too dirty as compared to a different pear basic that is used indoors and out and has taken on a somewhat dirty complexion. I chose not to oil or wax the wood to see what would happen.
A while back, long while, there was a discussion comparing basic to classic and someone wrote the classic model has an issue where the filler ring doesn't sit flat. At first I didn't understand this as the filler ring on all my vapman models sits about the same, perfectly flat. But after some time one classic model started doing ring lifting and I realized the mica had become impregnated with something (moisture or something has been absorbed into it, swelling it ever so slightly). This is more noticeable comparing it closely to a new classic model without the mica swelling where the filler ring sits perfectly just as on a basic model. Delicately pressing on the mica seems to temporarily remove the swelling and allow the filler ring to sit flat, but it swells back after some short time.
The manufacturer has stated the performance of the basic and classic should be the same and the mica is only for looks.
For me, somehow it seems I get better temperature control on basic models, but perhaps it's only a perception and not the reality, but it's a noticeable perception for me.
On a daily basis have 4 different vapman models used, filling them all at once and using through the day. Having more than one is also nice for sharing, where each person gets their own. Using a vapman is best as a solo experience, whereas sharing a single vapman causes lighter overheating and lack of getting a full dose from a load of your chosen herbal blend. And anytime I show someone the vapman for the first time, I offer that it's a single person vaporizer.
But back to wood, as others have mentioned the black walnut models give off a pleasant aroma especially the basic (un-oiled and unshielded) model, and mine still does so even after more than a year, the chocolaty aroma seems to be perpetual.
Also, comparing basics, the walnut seems to char just a bit faster and look better than the pear basic, and the whitish/light gray char blends while contrasting nicely with the wood color. And the natural color of the un-oiled walnut does a good job of masking any dirt that it uptakes during normal use. So after a long period of use it looks great hardly showing wear, while a pear basic looks ... well heavily used and somewhat dirty.
So this goes right to my absolute favorite, which is the basic walnut model. And when purchased in kit form you get the excellent vapman lighter for only $3 more.
Overall a great value due to the vapman being the true efficiency king among all vaporizers I've tried, as well as being relatively easy for newcomers to use, though mastering it does take a bit of time and is well worth that effort.
Yes, for newcomers or those looking to add an additional vapman or two to their collection or for a collective vape session, you just can't go wrong with the walnut basic kit.
By the way, also have the vapman station and for it have a pear wood basic model that's used exclusively with VS1 so no charring at all. The wood colors match up nicely and the body doesn't get too dirty as compared to a different pear basic that is used indoors and out and has taken on a somewhat dirty complexion. I chose not to oil or wax the wood to see what would happen.
A while back, long while, there was a discussion comparing basic to classic and someone wrote the classic model has an issue where the filler ring doesn't sit flat. At first I didn't understand this as the filler ring on all my vapman models sits about the same, perfectly flat. But after some time one classic model started doing ring lifting and I realized the mica had become impregnated with something (moisture or something has been absorbed into it, swelling it ever so slightly). This is more noticeable comparing it closely to a new classic model without the mica swelling where the filler ring sits perfectly just as on a basic model. Delicately pressing on the mica seems to temporarily remove the swelling and allow the filler ring to sit flat, but it swells back after some short time.
The manufacturer has stated the performance of the basic and classic should be the same and the mica is only for looks.
For me, somehow it seems I get better temperature control on basic models, but perhaps it's only a perception and not the reality, but it's a noticeable perception for me.
On a daily basis have 4 different vapman models used, filling them all at once and using through the day. Having more than one is also nice for sharing, where each person gets their own. Using a vapman is best as a solo experience, whereas sharing a single vapman causes lighter overheating and lack of getting a full dose from a load of your chosen herbal blend. And anytime I show someone the vapman for the first time, I offer that it's a single person vaporizer.
But back to wood, as others have mentioned the black walnut models give off a pleasant aroma especially the basic (un-oiled and unshielded) model, and mine still does so even after more than a year, the chocolaty aroma seems to be perpetual.
Also, comparing basics, the walnut seems to char just a bit faster and look better than the pear basic, and the whitish/light gray char blends while contrasting nicely with the wood color. And the natural color of the un-oiled walnut does a good job of masking any dirt that it uptakes during normal use. So after a long period of use it looks great hardly showing wear, while a pear basic looks ... well heavily used and somewhat dirty.
So this goes right to my absolute favorite, which is the basic walnut model. And when purchased in kit form you get the excellent vapman lighter for only $3 more.
Overall a great value due to the vapman being the true efficiency king among all vaporizers I've tried, as well as being relatively easy for newcomers to use, though mastering it does take a bit of time and is well worth that effort.
Yes, for newcomers or those looking to add an additional vapman or two to their collection or for a collective vape session, you just can't go wrong with the walnut basic kit.
lemmeadem
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Thanks Vapman.@lemmeadem What about heating your vapman just a bit less for low-temp vaporizing? In fact, I think vapman is ideal to get all the flavors because there is hardly any preheating time where a lot of the flavors can get lost.
This is what I do with each load to get maximum flavors:
After loading I heat vapman for only 3 seconds and take a first draw, at these low temperature you get the full spectrum of all the flavors together with a warm and moist stream from the drying process. While inhaling the first and very tasty draw, I keep my lighter usually on and hit vapman straight after for another three seconds to get more of the flavors. After heating the third time, the vapor stage starts, the strongest flavors are gone by then and the tasteless and psychoactive vapors are starting to come through. This way you get the best out of both worlds, first the flavors and then the vapor.
Because vapman heats up so fast, you get more flavors than on any other vaporizer needing to preheat for much longer! Remember that flavors are very delicate and evaporate already at room temperatures, this is why we can smell the herbs without having to heat them before.
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I know you can do low temp. with the Vapman, I just have trouble getting the draw down at low temps and my technique means lacklustre vapor - for me, it's the pocket rocket vape. My tolerance is tiny so one pan/oven/bowl does me plenty and full spectrum vaping is perfect for night time, something I couldn't really achieve with the Air due to the sipper nature and temp cut-off being just under those lovely heavy couch effects. I only bring the Air into the equation as when I set it to temperature, there's no guess work. It'd be too difficult for me to effectively low temp consistently to the point where effect is consistent, although I'm sure many members here can manage it.Just to anyone who's recently bought their first Vapman, I'm no authority (and I'm sure some of the senior members here are going to disagree with using a WT) but if you're having trouble with draw, try putting it through a WT. The resistance/chug/whatever you want to call it seems to make getting your draw down easier.
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@utekai, thanks for the great info.
The Walnut basic is my personal favorite as well, and has become the one I reach for the most.
The only difference with me, is that I like the two-tone char on it better than basic-basic, and I would oil the basics-basic on the outside, at least (but I am certainly biased on this, since I can do this myself).
But I would even pick the Walnut basic-basic over any other vapman except a Two-toned Yew - the most awesome vapman ever.
Also, the price of the basic walnut is ridiculously cheap, in my opinion.
Peace.
natural farmer
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My m0j0 two-toned laser-etched basic keeps handling anything I throw at it with style and finesse and I can't stop from fondling it, touching it and looking at it! I can't possibly imagine myself betray it for a mica-classic!!! 
I also want to say that the DIY screens work wonders not only for herbs but for hash as well, probably much better than the official concentrate screens.
The taste seems better, the airflow as well and they virtually eliminate cleaning! With the concentrate screens the hash stuck on them at the end of the session and further crumbling of the hash pieces was too bothersome to do mid-session. I also had to torch and wipe and blow the hell out of them after each load (way too bothersome as well!) and in a couple of months they were so dirty that I doubt any air could pass through them! I was in urgent need of new ones although they could still be used if in need... The DIY one has nothing stick to it, just a brush wipe after the hash session is enough to keep it sparkling clean two weeks after getting my hash stash!!! I am also pretty sure that the increased radiation and minimized conduction bakes goods much more thoroughly and evenly, my hash doesn't get as dark as with the concentrate screens but is thoroughly extracted and the taste is definitely better! 
Maybe @vapman could also market similar screens from better stainless steel in the future?![:\](/i/s/hmm.gif "Hmm :\")
Vape on all!
PS: I can't see how my future vapcap could get any better than the vapman... Really...
I also want to say that the DIY screens work wonders not only for herbs but for hash as well, probably much better than the official concentrate screens.
The taste seems better, the airflow as well and they virtually eliminate cleaning! With the concentrate screens the hash stuck on them at the end of the session and further crumbling of the hash pieces was too bothersome to do mid-session. I also had to torch and wipe and blow the hell out of them after each load (way too bothersome as well!) and in a couple of months they were so dirty that I doubt any air could pass through them! I was in urgent need of new ones although they could still be used if in need... The DIY one has nothing stick to it, just a brush wipe after the hash session is enough to keep it sparkling clean two weeks after getting my hash stash!!!
I am also pretty sure that the increased radiation and minimized conduction bakes goods much more thoroughly and evenly, my hash doesn't get as dark as with the concentrate screens but is thoroughly extracted and the taste is definitely better! Maybe @vapman could also market similar screens from better stainless steel in the future?
Vape on all!
PS: I can't see how my future vapcap could get any better than the vapman... Really...
@natural farmer I agree with what you are saying about the screen. I think for each type of concentrate there would be an ideal screen. I have chosen this screen intentionally to do also the liquid and oily stuff but for dry hash, your screen is ideal. May be one day we will have different screens for different concentrates.
@VegNVape A warm hello to you, too!!
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@VegNVape A warm hello to you, too!!
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natural farmer
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Indeed, for oils and clear concentrates the official screens work much better!@natural farmer I agree with what you are saying about the screen. I think for each type of concentrate there would be an ideal screen. I have chosen this screen intentionally to do also the liquid and oily stuff but for dry hash, your screen is ideal. May be one day we will have different screens for different concentrates.
@VegNVape A warm hello to you, too!!
vapman
For hash and herbs the coarse one seems to work better so far.
PS: Thanks so much for the lightning fast shipping of my small order of middle section and lighters @vapman and for the gift as well!!!
Keep up the good work! 
Ello
So I was thinking (I should be careful, right?), I know people sell & buy used vaporizers, but I was just wondering if anybody here has (perish the thought) ever sold their Vapman
or bought one 2nd hand?
Admittedly, I haven't scoured the classifieds or anything, but I can't say that I have ever noticed one for sale whenever I have had a general browse of the 'for sale' items . . . . I've spotted many other vapes which shall remain nameless, time & time again, but not so the little V-man.
Could it be, that no one can bare to part with this little fellow, once they have danced & gotten all mellow?
All I know is that I love my Vapman and everytime I put him away I'm already getting excited for the next time that I see him! Such a form friendly and functionally reliable little device. I wouldn't dream of moving my Vapman on, he's well & truly a part of the family and he's definitely staying put!
Sweet magic everytime
. . . Although, maybe it's just me and I'm blind to what's going on - completely unaware of a shady underworld where people trade & bargain for poor abused & unloved Vapmans who have been tossed by the wayside by their harsh owners!
Oh please! Say it ain't so!
O.k o.k so I'm maybe I'm getting a little bit carried away right? Sorry.
So er yeah, I'm talking 2nd hand Vapman, FC Vapfans - are they just a myth?!
I say they almost don't exist!
MuchLove!
So I was thinking (I should be careful, right?), I know people sell & buy used vaporizers, but I was just wondering if anybody here has (perish the thought) ever sold their Vapman
or bought one 2nd hand?Admittedly, I haven't scoured the classifieds or anything, but I can't say that I have ever noticed one for sale whenever I have had a general browse of the 'for sale' items . . . . I've spotted many other vapes which shall remain nameless, time & time again, but not so the little V-man.
Could it be, that no one can bare to part with this little fellow, once they have danced & gotten all mellow?
All I know is that I love my Vapman and everytime I put him away I'm already getting excited for the next time that I see him! Such a form friendly and functionally reliable little device. I wouldn't dream of moving my Vapman on, he's well & truly a part of the family and he's definitely staying put!
Sweet magic everytime
. . . Although, maybe it's just me and I'm blind to what's going on - completely unaware of a shady underworld where people trade & bargain for poor abused & unloved Vapmans who have been tossed by the wayside by their harsh owners!
Oh please! Say it ain't so!
O.k o.k so I'm maybe I'm getting a little bit carried away right? Sorry.
So er yeah, I'm talking 2nd hand Vapman, FC Vapfans - are they just a myth?!
I say they almost don't exist!
MuchLove!