Vapman

[flotntoke]

WOW!! Just tried a screen for concentrates. Very nice!

Thanks to all for the tips and @M0J0 for offering such fine items on this side of the pond. Also, picked up a true vapman lighter. Got my vm on classifieds, and have never had one. Loving it so far.

Have only done a load of full melt and one of live resin in between 2 screens facing each other. Both were amazing and still can't believe how long they went on. Probably should have stopped after the first, but was too good and too fun to play.

When I pulled my screens, found a dark ring around inside gold at edge of screens. Didn't pull them before loading the resin, so not sure which did it. Is there an easy way to clean? Just heat as usual and burn off/try to vape? Heat inside? Quick swab with ISO? Or, have to go with acetone? Any problem leaving there until I can get some acetone (25 - 30 loads)? TIA

 

[1_gr8_underdog]

@RUDE BOY. link this should work for you. Probably get it cheaper at a big box home store.

 

[ChippyMalone]

Well, I sulked all weekend knowing that my heating station was sitting in a post office storage locker just a few miles from my home while other people with better karma received their's on Saturday. But it arrived today, and my initial impressions are very positive.

In a former life, almost 20 years before becoming a MMJ patient, I was an analytical chemist in the quality control department of a pharmaceutical company. So when I moved to Washington state and had access to medical grade cannabis that had gone through much of the same quality control testing that was once my trade, I really was excited to be able to administer measured doses of specific cannabinoids and prepare flower blends with particular THC:CBD ratios. This previously unknowable essential information was suddenly available to me.

However, it was not enough for me to know the cannabinoid profile of the cannabis, as much of our research in my pharma industry days had to do with two concepts: controlled release systems for existing drugs, and synergistic combinations of drugs with other molecules that increase their potency or alter their effects. In short, I wanted to find better ways to control the release of the cannabinoids from the material being vaped, as well as try to begin to understand the synergistic effects of terpenes and other cannabinoids on the medicinal effect of whatever flowers or concentrates I am using at the time.

In short, the missing link to my ideal vaping setup was a device that could take a metered dose of lab tested cannabis and dispense the active molecules in a consistent, repeateable, and controlled manner. I came very close to this with my E-Nano, and that device will continue to be my go-to device for use with water tools, but I have to say that the Vapman Station meets my desire for a device that will function the same way every time, allowing me to dial in the ideal medicinal effect.

While I like to think that my torch technique is consistent and effective, I now realize that I am probably heating with the torch too fast and too long much of the time, as the first couple hits from the Vapman Station have a clean terpene flavor that I suspect is lost during my initial over-heating with the torch. So I've learned that I should try to go easier on it when using it as a portable.

Tonight, I will set the station up by my bedside with two Vapmans (Vapmen?) loaded and ready. When I wake up in the night and need to medicate, I should be able to reach over and turn the switch, wait a couple of minutes for the device to warm up, and then vape away without ever having to get up or even lift my head off the pillow if I don't want to. I think my wife might like this device the best, as she will not be subjected to the clicking sound of a torch lighter or the racket I have to make using any other device that requires me to turn on some light to see. I'm curious as to whether or not I will be able to sense the color and the blinking of the LED through closed eyelids (yes, I am that lazy!).

All in all, the Vapman Station has met or exceeded my every expectation for this device, and I am looking forward to developing a long term relationship with my little blue can. If our early experiences lead to any modifications for future production, I cannot imagine any changes being anything but very minor. Also wanted to report that both my used basic and my mica shielded devices fit into the device easily, with no noticeable difference in the ease of insertion. I was prepared to trim the mica, as mine shows some flaking and bulging in spots from use, but that hasn't been necessary.

 

[herbivore21]

Well, I sulked all weekend knowing that my heating station was sitting in a post office storage locker just a few miles from my home while other people with better karma received their's on Saturday. But it arrived today, and my initial impressions are very positive.

In a former life, almost 20 years before becoming a MMJ patient, I was an analytical chemist in the quality control department of a pharmaceutical company. So when I moved to Washington state and had access to medical grade cannabis that had gone through much of the same quality control testing that was once my trade, I really was excited to be able to administer measured doses of specific cannabinoids and prepare flower blends with particular THC:CBD ratios. This previously unknowable essential information was suddenly available to me.

However, it was not enough for me to know the cannabinoid profile of the cannabis, as much of our research in my pharma industry days had to do with two concepts: controlled release systems for existing drugs, and synergistic combinations of drugs with other molecules that increase their potency or alter their effects. In short, I wanted to find better ways to control the release of the cannabinoids from the material being vaped, as well as try to begin to understand the synergistic effects of terpenes and other cannabinoids on the medicinal effect of whatever flowers or concentrates I am using at the time.

In short, the missing link to my ideal vaping setup was a device that could take a metered dose of lab tested cannabis and dispense the active molecules in a consistent, repeateable, and controlled manner. I came very close to this with my E-Nano, and that device will continue to be my go-to device for use with water tools, but I have to say that the Vapman Station meets my desire for a device that will function the same way every time, allowing me to dial in the ideal medicinal effect.

While I like to think that my torch technique is consistent and effective, I now realize that I am probably heating with the torch too fast and too long much of the time, as the first couple hits from the Vapman Station have a clean terpene flavor that I suspect is lost during my initial over-heating with the torch. So I've learned that I should try to go easier on it when using it as a portable.

Tonight, I will set the station up by my bedside with two Vapmans (Vapmen?) loaded and ready. When I wake up in the night and need to medicate, I should be able to reach over and turn the switch, wait a couple of minutes for the device to warm up, and then vape away without ever having to get up or even lift my head off the pillow if I don't want to. I think my wife might like this device the best, as she will not be subjected to the clicking sound of a torch lighter or the racket I have to make using any other device that requires me to turn on some light to see. I'm curious as to whether or not I will be able to sense the color and the blinking of the LED through closed eyelids (yes, I am that lazy!).

All in all, the Vapman Station has met or exceeded my every expectation for this device, and I am looking forward to developing a long term relationship with my little blue can. If our early experiences lead to any modifications for future production, I cannot imagine any changes being anything but very minor. Also wanted to report that both my used basic and my mica shielded devices fit into the device easily, with no noticeable difference in the ease of insertion. I was prepared to trim the mica, as mine shows some flaking and bulging in spots from use, but that hasn't been necessary.

Glad you finally got to use it man, and you really do seem to have very much the same views and motivations for using vaporizers as I do.

The station really was what pushed me over the edge on buying a vapman. I know from past experience with torch based vapes that inconsistent results can be had due to the inexact manual heating method. It is great to have that option when there is no electricity though! I look forward to the vapman station freeing up my hands a bit more!

Great to hear that both of your vapmans fit well in the station too!

Out of interest @ChippyMalone, what kind of material do you tend to use in your vapman?

 

[RUDE BOY]

@RUDE BOY. link this should work for you. Probably get it cheaper at a big box home store.

Thanx. I've gotta search around here a bit I know there are a few of those floating about. I ran a heavy extension cord from another room and got to use it tonight and had a really good time with it. Did quite a few sessions more then usual for the Vapman so all I can say for sure is I'm very medicated and it works great.


Guess I can say It was fun playing with the dial and being able to maintain the lower tasty temps making for longer sessions a bit more consistently then I do with a torch. I don't know yet if the station will replace the torch for quicker high temp medicating as it didn't seem to get as hot as you can take it with the torch but since it was just the first nights use I didn't start any sessions on 6 yet so ... tomorrow will tell.


Peace all and enjoy the sweet vapors.

 

[vapmanjoe]

Well, I sulked all weekend knowing that my heating station was sitting in a post office storage locker just a few miles from my home while other people with better karma received their's on Saturday. But it arrived today, and my initial impressions are very positive.

In a former life, almost 20 years before becoming a MMJ patient, I was an analytical chemist in the quality control department of a pharmaceutical company. So when I moved to Washington state and had access to medical grade cannabis that had gone through much of the same quality control testing that was once my trade, I really was excited to be able to administer measured doses of specific cannabinoids and prepare flower blends with particular THC:CBD ratios. This previously unknowable essential information was suddenly available to me.

However, it was not enough for me to know the cannabinoid profile of the cannabis, as much of our research in my pharma industry days had to do with two concepts: controlled release systems for existing drugs, and synergistic combinations of drugs with other molecules that increase their potency or alter their effects. In short, I wanted to find better ways to control the release of the cannabinoids from the material being vaped, as well as try to begin to understand the synergistic effects of terpenes and other cannabinoids on the medicinal effect of whatever flowers or concentrates I am using at the time.

In short, the missing link to my ideal vaping setup was a device that could take a metered dose of lab tested cannabis and dispense the active molecules in a consistent, repeateable, and controlled manner. I came very close to this with my E-Nano, and that device will continue to be my go-to device for use with water tools, but I have to say that the Vapman Station meets my desire for a device that will function the same way every time, allowing me to dial in the ideal medicinal effect.

While I like to think that my torch technique is consistent and effective, I now realize that I am probably heating with the torch too fast and too long much of the time, as the first couple hits from the Vapman Station have a clean terpene flavor that I suspect is lost during my initial over-heating with the torch. So I've learned that I should try to go easier on it when using it as a portable.

Tonight, I will set the station up by my bedside with two Vapmans (Vapmen?) loaded and ready. When I wake up in the night and need to medicate, I should be able to reach over and turn the switch, wait a couple of minutes for the device to warm up, and then vape away without ever having to get up or even lift my head off the pillow if I don't want to. I think my wife might like this device the best, as she will not be subjected to the clicking sound of a torch lighter or the racket I have to make using any other device that requires me to turn on some light to see. I'm curious as to whether or not I will be able to sense the color and the blinking of the LED through closed eyelids (yes, I am that lazy!).

All in all, the Vapman Station has met or exceeded my every expectation for this device, and I am looking forward to developing a long term relationship with my little blue can. If our early experiences lead to any modifications for future production, I cannot imagine any changes being anything but very minor. Also wanted to report that both my used basic and my mica shielded devices fit into the device easily, with no noticeable difference in the ease of insertion. I was prepared to trim the mica, as mine shows some flaking and bulging in spots from use, but that hasn't been necessary.

One of my thoughts while exploring the functioning of the Station was also that now it's possible to obtain pretty even consistent results, or to tighten the strings of this little beast Cuz I realized that i push it too hard sometimes. Last night I used the lighter for the first time since Saturday and automatically tried it with a softer approach. So for me the station will not replace the lighter, cuz I like using it outdoors. It just broaden the possibilities. Vapman + lighter are beautiful steampunk.

@RUDE BOY You will be pleaesed after playing around with different settings. With higher settings you will get quick and big hits sure. And I observed that you can get more dense vapor even at lower temps when you left the vapman on the station a little bit longer when the light is already green, till you see vapor is evaporating. So you have a little bit influence on vapor thickness even at lower setting and even at a constant setting

 

[M0J0]

I'm really glad everyone is enjoying the Station! This really puts a big old smile on my face.

It really makes my day to know that this will help people get their much needed medication in a faster and easier way than before.

Also, I can't wait to hear stories about people using two or three vapmans at the same time with one Station.

@flotntoke, thanks for your kind words. You can use a cotton swab with ISO if you can't find good acetone. Use the pure kind from the hardware store, not your wife's nail polish remover.

Also a Magic Eraser may work, depending on how much and how hard the stain is stuck on the bowl.

Peace

 

[OF]

@flotntoke, thanks for your kind words. You can use a cotton swab with ISO if you can't find good acetone. Use the pure kind from the hardware store, not your wife's nail polish remover.

Good tip! IIRC not all remover is Acetone based and that which is typically has perfume to cover the smell and other ingredients like lanolin (to protect skin). Lanolin is sometimes called 'wool wax' as it's washed off freshly shorn wool (at a cup or two per sheep). USDA Lanolin contains, for example insecticides and other nasty stuff at 'acceptable levels', which are probably different for hand lotion and vaping exposure?

One thing sure, a thin film of sheep fat left after the acetone evaporates off is not likely to improve your vaping experience.........or your heath.

I'm not big on acetone to start with (it's a carcinogen and has been banned from cosmetics for some time in the EC for instance), IMO should be used with much caution (outside for sure) and avoided if possible. IIRC it also attacks the liver in the conventional way (not cancer), I suggest single malt scotch for that.

OF

 

[ChippyMalone]

@M0J0 I did use two Vapmans/Vapmen (@vapman : can you clarify the correct/preferred plural form of "Vapman"?) last night beside the bed. I loaded a Classic with some high CBD shatter, and a Basic with some flowers.

My plan was to try to medicate in the middle of the night with the least amount of disruption to my sleep without waking up my wife. I realized that I can feel with my fingers the difference between a Classic and a Walnut Basic by the smoothness of the finish, so I could differentiate between the two with different contents without needing to turn on a lamp (my wife works in blind rehab, so we are always thinking of how to accomplish tasks with limited vision). Also, the LED illuminates my bedside table quite well to see my tea cup or other bedside items. The blinking yellow was much brighter in this situation than I would have guessed, as I turned it to shine away from my pillow. The auto shutoff feature allowed me to just set down the a Vapman when I was done and know it would shut down on its own.

The amount of pain I was in was too much for me to say that the experience was awesome. Better to say that I felt grateful and relieved to be able to help myself quickly in they middle of the night without the process causing me to awake further than I wanted to. I was scope to stay in bed the whole night, and might have had an extra hour of sleep because of it. That is a huge victory for me.




@herbivore21 I generally prefer flowers over concentrates, as they are the most unadulterated form of cannabis and I feel the best for most of my medicinal needs. So I'd say that I use flowers about 2/3 or more of the time.

My next favorite is kief, as it is the concentrate most similar to the raw flowers, having been only separated by mechanical methods. One local grower sells it for a very good price with a mg/dollar for THC cheaper than the flowers it comes from, so I've always got a gram or two of that around. I usually mix this into high CBD flowers to adjust the THC:CBD ratio if I want to boost THC.

I try to save highly processed concentrates for when I need a fast high dose of a particular cannabinoid, and am OK with missing out on some terpenes or some yet to be appreciated/discovered molecules. These could be anything, as I buy them more as treats unless they are some rare high CBD wax/oil/etc. Those are still really hard to come by, so I grab little bits when I can

 

[Enchantre]

A little Lemon Skunk at ONE on the VS dial... third pull, I got visible vapor.

and a lovely taste. yum... this is so nice. Should be a good perk up for the morning.

It takes just about the perfect amount of time to turn on the VS, then take out the VM, load it up, and be ready when the VS is!

 

[OF]

(@vapman : can you clarify the correct/preferred plural form of "Vapman"?)

Only the right answer to that can save your job in Berkeley....."Vapepersons"....... 'Vapman' is incorrect, it should be "Vapeperson" making the plural easy? You're obviously not taking this 'gender neutral thing' seriously enough. We have a sensitivity class to send you to........

True story: After spending a pile of city bucks correcting official records/statutes from 'manhole cover' to 'personhole cover', a wag pointed out "personhole cover is not a sufficiently de-sexed term" (yes, I memorized that insight....) and proposed another amendment to change 'tme back from person to man h old covers. It passed, but with the provision that no further money would be spent, corrections were to be made as sections of the code were revised in due course. Gotta love it.

Like the old joke, 'what's the plural of Octopus?'. Beats me, but look out here comes an octopus and six more just like him...

OF

 

[RUDE BOY]

Vap"men" sounds good to me, nothing blows more then all that touchy feely hippy dippy west coast political correctness stuff. ... Need to just keep it down and dirty here, It's the east coast way.

(We tend to aim to offend without regard to gender, age, race or creed)

 

[HellsWindStaff]

Is the Vapman Mica supposed to have text written on the bottom? Like actually on the mica? Mine appears to but I can't really read it.

Tried it at lunch, very nice. Need to work on my technique as I was very afraid of combusting lol, so I was sparsely hitting it. Also used the lighter I got with it, and the flame was too high, nice little char spot on the wood already but it adds character

 

[OF]

Is the Vapman Mica supposed to have text written on the bottom? Like actually on the mica? Mine appears to but I can't really read it.

Yes, it's normal. You can see it here in the photo I posed a few days back:

The material comes in sheets, which are 'cleaved' from blocks of the mineral, much like slate shingles. The maker then prints his name and other details on the sheets (usually). Lower grades, like you'd find in a toaster or hair dryer often lack this. Nothing to worry about, it's not a secret message from the Aliens.....

OF

 

[M0J0]

Is the Vapman Mica supposed to have text written on the bottom? Like actually on the mica? Mine appears to but I can't really read it.

Tried it at lunch, very nice. Need to work on my technique as I was very afraid of combusting lol, so I was sparsely hitting it. Also used the lighter I got with it, and the flame was too high, nice little char spot on the wood already but it adds character

Yes. The Mica has some letters on it. It's pulled off of the UFO like that.

 

[ChippyMalone]

@HellsWindStaff yes, there is writing printed on the mica. I couldn't read it either, but I suspect it is like many industrial raw materials that have identifying marks printed all over the surface so that the material type of cut pieces could be identified later. And as an industrial heat shield material, it was never really meant to be a decorative finish: just functional.


I was going to say that it would burn off, but a close inspection of my heavily used one found those printed dots. They will become obscured through use then, I guess.

 

[HellsWindStaff]

Thank you all, upon some further inspection I could make out an R exactly like the one in the photo along with what looks like part of a 2 or a 5 and figured it was just a reference # , but I was a little worried about a counterfeit after lunch. Glad it's all kosher!

What a strong little machine. Is this, this most efficient vape out? Certainly seems like it from my limited experience, I was throwing a pinch in the pan, I think I have dropped amounts similar on the floor or my pants lol. Got a good 8-10 flavorful, tasteful hits. Got pretty high too, I wasn't wrecked or highly intoxicated from the weed, but for the amount I used, it was crazy. Less then my Underdog or FF for certain.

Gonna try it through water later, but its prettty good just as is. Very fun to use too, I think I may even just be getting "higher" off the smaller amount, from the time I'm taking fiddling around with it between hits and priming it up. Definitely see the appeal of finding a cool spot in nature to park down and play with it.

Fits my 14 mm adapter perfectly, but thanks to the Vapman sessions prior, I heated my pan with the adapter off my water pipe.....when I put it on my bubbler a HUGE hit of vapor shot out through the intake holes. LOL, physics, forgot about that. Worked well enough after, but that big money hit I lost (really primed the pan when heating it), will have to try again later.

 

[VapourHaze]

We like to call the pan a crucible

 

[NorVape]

So, native English speakers, what exactly does a crucible mean?

 

[Mr Mellish]

So, native English speakers, what exactly does a crucible mean?

If you want to get technical, I believe it's a container in which you melt things at high temps. I don't know the starting point for high temps, and we're only vaporizing, but it's my chosen word for this lovely little metal bowl in which you coax goodness from nature's bounty.

 

[OF]

We like to call the pan a crucible

While I guess you personally can call it whatever you wish, traditionally we let inventors name their inventions? For the sake of clear communication I suggest we abide by the 'official name' from the maker.

So, native English speakers, what exactly does a crucible mean?

Generally a ceramic vessel heated to very high temperatures in order to cause a chemical reaction (or more usually a series of them). As in refining metal ores. Also used sometimes to melt metals for casting.

For instance, to 'assay' gold and similar ore you weigh the sample, crush it and dissolve the gold out using lead (which the gold dissolves in when hot enough). This is done in a ceramic cup (our crucible, able to stand the heat) at over 1000C for some time. In order to avoid reactions with oxygen (as happens with elemental lead in air) lead oxide is typically used with lots of flux and ground carbon. The flux keeps Oxygen in the air out, the carbon 'reduces' the lead oxide by combining with the Oxygen making Carbon Dioxide which vents away to cause Global Warming. Analysis of the cooled 'pellet' determines the percentages of Lead, Gold, Silver and so on in the alloy, weighing the pellet and some math (to do with the weight of the sample) gives the 'ounces per ton' of ore number that decides if we have a mine or hole in the ground.

Since we have a case where no chemical reactions are happening, I suggest it's inappropriate to use this term (although some makers do?). IMO it's more along the line of some cooking utensil......like a pot or pan.....

OF

 

[M0J0]

If you want to get technical, I believe it's a container in which you melt things at high temps. I don't know the starting point for high temps, and we're only vaporizing, but it's my chosen word for this lovely little metal bowl in which you coax goodness from nature's bounty.

Crucible is also a classic Alchemical term, meaning, where the Alchemist makes the magic happen. Terence McKenna would be proud, since he loved to spin Alchemical yarn.

I belive that @steama is the one who christened it the Crucible, and I like this much better than pan or bowl...

Remember, the vapman is Magic powered, so Crucible is more appropriate, if you ask me

But a Rose by any other name is still a Rose, I belive?

 

[ChippyMalone]

I think crucible is a great word.

I can dig it

 

[Enchantre]

I think crucible is a great word.

I can dig it

Have you let the VS turn itself off yet?

 

[Mr Mellish]

Apologies in advance but I'm kind of liking:

Vapman: Coaxing the goodness from nature's bounty.