hoyo77
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I have a lotus as well..when i got the hang of the vapman..the lotus went in the drawer...it is still there collecting dust.Hey bro! Do you prefer your Vapman over your Lotus? Just wondering…
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Well, with two of you saying basically the same thing. . . that answers that VAS question. . . . . ha!
Don Quixote
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Ok then, I've decided that my grind experiment will be with a 3-piece Santa Cruz Shredder. I'm hoping this will achieve the "fine grind interspersed with odd sized chunks" that Chippy Malone touts. The deeper and perhaps more powerful reason I bought the SCS is because back in the days when I lived on a skateboard, my favorite deck was a Santa Cruz, and the typeface of its logo looked much like the Shredder's does. No coincidence, I imagine.
Plus I'm a sucker for Californian references, period.
Plus I'm a sucker for Californian references, period.
Could it be that the Horn of Gondor is really a Swiss Alphorn?…In the Land of Switzer, where the Vapmen lie…
Or has @Ed's TnT finally lost his mind and built the world's longest custom Vapman mouthpiece???
Well, I received my Classic Pear Vapman today as a second unit reserved for concentrate use only. I am really loving the heat shielded version, especially as I am able to give it that extra fraction of a second of heat the oil asks for without further scorching the unprotected wood of my basic unit. Although my basic unit has now pretty much fully charred and I only rarely see a wisp of wood smoke as it is not completely finished developing the desired light charred inner wooden surface.
I also really like the contrast between the brightly polished light colored pear wood and the deep dark more rugged lightly finished walnut. I'll have to wait until tomorrow morning to take a photo of these outside together.
Thanks @vapman for both of these great little devices. They are really making me happy and helping me to better control my medical cannabis dosing. Plus, they are a LOT of fun to play with. . . .
I've been wanting to put my two cents into the grinder/shredder/crusher/mulcher/etc debate.
As far as I am concerned, all of these words are simply adjectives chosen to have the same first letter as the rest of the company's name. My Mendocino Mulcher really isn't "mulching" in some special way that is different from the way a Santa Cruz "Shredder" is shredding. While all of these have various different teeth shapes, orientations, numbers, etc, I find that every one of my various grinders can produce what I want as long as I take control of three variables:
- The amount of material used at one time
- The actual number of turns of the grinder
- the orientation of the grinder relative to gravity
Although this is heading off topic, here's a couple comparison photos of the Mendo Mulcher next to the same diameter Space Case. I think I have the only double thick Mendo Mulcher I've ever seen anywhere in real life or in an online photo, but I know they are available directly from the guy that makes them.
Nugg
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I've been using nothing but my Vapman (bar a few dabs yesterday 
) all weekend. It still blows me away. I can't stop looking at it, feeling it and rolling it around in my hand. My torch technique is always getting better too.
I am a tradesman and the Vapman reminds me of my good hand tools. Simple, solid and well built like a hammer, chisel or plane. They will last a lifetime if you treat them with respect. The Vapman also needs to be mastered like a hand tool does.
Only difference is..... I don't feel like I need to own 10 hammers with exotic wood handles hahaha
) all weekend. It still blows me away. I can't stop looking at it, feeling it and rolling it around in my hand. My torch technique is always getting better too.I am a tradesman and the Vapman reminds me of my good hand tools. Simple, solid and well built like a hammer, chisel or plane. They will last a lifetime if you treat them with respect. The Vapman also needs to be mastered like a hand tool does.
Only difference is..... I don't feel like I need to own 10 hammers with exotic wood handles hahaha
^^^Oh my goodness this made me laugh!
But then . . .
Or how about some nice cocoblonco fret saw handles? . . . .
My apologies. I digress . . .
@VegNVape I'm trying to imagine just how beautiful a saw handle one must have in order to saw the rough blanks to make those cocobolo handled saw handles. Or were those just handed down from the heavens?
Darn it, I had a relevant comment to steer this conversation in a new direction. . . . . .oh yes, it was about keeping a second Vapman for concentrates and using it alongside a log vape.
It was very nice this morning to wake up to a Vapman still loaded with more hash oil than I thought was in it. I could tell when I turned the handle that everything was sticky inside, so I just closed it back up and started hitting it. It was especially nice to have it ready to go since I woke up in a fair amount of pain.
But the main point is that I realized that the cleaning/maintenance is different enough for concentrates that having one unit just sitting aside all sticky with goo and another clean and dry for flowers is going to make life easier for me by simplifying my cleaning and maintenance.
After two or three loads of concentrates, the Vapman is left with some deposits of dark oil that starts to taste a bit funky. I just used a bit of organic cotton to wipe down the surfaces and tossed it into an E-Nano stem to finish off that thick dark oil for good. I never was a big fan of reclaim, but that was before I had an E-Nano that made it simple and worthwhile.
I have been using two screens on the bottom with a third screen on top of the oil. This seems to be about right to hold the amount of oil I'm using at one time.
Now that the sun is out, I'll have to go outside and see if I can get a nice photo of the new Vapman.
Darn it, I had a relevant comment to steer this conversation in a new direction. . . . . .oh yes, it was about keeping a second Vapman for concentrates and using it alongside a log vape.
It was very nice this morning to wake up to a Vapman still loaded with more hash oil than I thought was in it. I could tell when I turned the handle that everything was sticky inside, so I just closed it back up and started hitting it. It was especially nice to have it ready to go since I woke up in a fair amount of pain.
But the main point is that I realized that the cleaning/maintenance is different enough for concentrates that having one unit just sitting aside all sticky with goo and another clean and dry for flowers is going to make life easier for me by simplifying my cleaning and maintenance.
After two or three loads of concentrates, the Vapman is left with some deposits of dark oil that starts to taste a bit funky. I just used a bit of organic cotton to wipe down the surfaces and tossed it into an E-Nano stem to finish off that thick dark oil for good. I never was a big fan of reclaim, but that was before I had an E-Nano that made it simple and worthwhile.
I have been using two screens on the bottom with a third screen on top of the oil. This seems to be about right to hold the amount of oil I'm using at one time.
Now that the sun is out, I'll have to go outside and see if I can get a nice photo of the new Vapman.
M0J0
I am a leaf on the wind ~ watch how I soar...
I'm not sure, and @NorVape can enlighten me, but can you buy an extra middle piece and mouthpiece only? Then you can just remove the screens and use the herb-only middle section for that?
Meaning, you switch only the mouthpiece from the body instead having to use two full Vapmans?
Although, you can never have too many Vapmans... Too many are never enough!
haha
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hoyo77
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Hmmmm....heres one for you then...I'm so fly i jumped out the air wearing Gucci, I'm raw taking California Rolls, smoking California Weed with California hoes....
he is more worried about the dark hard wax build up that happens below the screens. usually when that happens i run a few loads of flower in there with a little extra heat to finish it off and then wipe the vapman down...u can scrape it up and finish it in a pen or something.
I would like to share some Vapeporn with you. I love sharing ideas and individual techniques with the vapman. Some pages earlier some of you inspired me to use my Vapman with my Herborizer Bubbler 
. I wrapped a mflb glass mouthpiece with some tissue for adapting both. After some learning sessions i squeeze 
this beast with some milky and nice tasting hits. I'm not shy with heat and tend to push it too hard sometimes - like in this Vid - almost near combustion 
, the last two heatings were probably too much but still tasting delicious. Now i use this combination almost everytime i vape at home - i like the visual control.
I wish you all a happy day!
. I wrapped a mflb glass mouthpiece with some tissue for adapting both. After some learning sessions i squeeze this beast with some milky and nice tasting hits. I'm not shy with heat and tend to push it too hard sometimes - like in this Vid - almost near combustion , the last two heatings were probably too much but still tasting delicious. Now i use this combination almost everytime i vape at home - i like the visual control.I wish you all a happy day!
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M0J0
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Awesome video, @vapmanjoe! Wow. Thanks for sharing!I would like to share some Vapeporn with you. I love sharing ideas and individual techniques with the vapman. Some pages earlier some of you inspired me to use my Vapman with my Herborizer Bubbler
I wish you all a happy day!
Nugg
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@VegNVape I'm glad you got a kick out of that. I was giggling while I typed it lol.
Those saw handles are gorgeous!! If my VAS and WAS turns into TAS (tool acquisition syndrome) the wife will kill me.
@vapmanjoe That's an awesome video! Thanks for sharing that with us. You are getting great results. I know @NorVape has been having good success with water filtration too.
I can't wait to play with my Vapman when I get home from work!!!
Those saw handles are gorgeous!! If my VAS and WAS turns into TAS (tool acquisition syndrome) the wife will kill me.
@vapmanjoe That's an awesome video! Thanks for sharing that with us. You are getting great results. I know @NorVape has been having good success with water filtration too.
I can't wait to play with my Vapman when I get home from work!!!
This thread is really rocking now, we are already on page 105 and the posts are still very interesting, informative and entertaining, I love it. It looks like vapman is a never ending and inspiring topic.
@NorVape Any grind works with vapman but it requires adaption on the heating side.
Very find grind (smaller than 1mm) should be heated up slowly as there is more contact with the bowl but little air circulation.
Medium grind (fluffy, 1-3mm) is ideal, there is a lot of contact and still a good air circulation which helps to distribute the heat evenly and fast. Myself I us a 4 piece grinder from SharpStone USA, it looks a lot like the Mendo Mulcher @ChippyMalone showed us on a previous post.
For grinds with particles greater than 3mm, the heating should be slower as there is a lot of air circulating but little contact with the bowl and it takes time for the heat to get to the core of the particles.
For many years I did not use any grinder at all, I just let the herbs get reasonable dry and grinded them between my fingers. Now I like the grinder because it is very practical, it is grinder, storage container and keef collector in one.
These are not laws chiseled in stone, just my personal opinion.
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@NorVape Any grind works with vapman but it requires adaption on the heating side.
Very find grind (smaller than 1mm) should be heated up slowly as there is more contact with the bowl but little air circulation.
Medium grind (fluffy, 1-3mm) is ideal, there is a lot of contact and still a good air circulation which helps to distribute the heat evenly and fast. Myself I us a 4 piece grinder from SharpStone USA, it looks a lot like the Mendo Mulcher @ChippyMalone showed us on a previous post.
For grinds with particles greater than 3mm, the heating should be slower as there is a lot of air circulating but little contact with the bowl and it takes time for the heat to get to the core of the particles.
For many years I did not use any grinder at all, I just let the herbs get reasonable dry and grinded them between my fingers. Now I like the grinder because it is very practical, it is grinder, storage container and keef collector in one.
These are not laws chiseled in stone, just my personal opinion.
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M0J0
I am a leaf on the wind ~ watch how I soar...
It's a bit of a pain because when you remove the screws the tubes have no support so you have to be very careful not to put any pressure on them so the chamfer that holds them to the bowl doesn't get loose.
Also, you should mark the position so the tubes go back exactly where they were.
Also, you have to center the bowl again so the mouthpiece ends in the right position.
It's doable by anyone used to this kind of tinkering, but you have to pay attention to the little details.
What are you trying to do? You may not have to remove them...
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NorVape
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I use mine so much with hash and oil that first I considered getting a seperate middle part for that, but now I'm thinking I want a brand new Vapman just for flowers. With occational consentrate use, or if one only use full melts, this isn't an issue, but for me it is.
And yeah, I almost only use it with glass now. Waiting for a hydratube now, so I can bring glass with me heheh
And yeah, I almost only use it with glass now. Waiting for a hydratube now, so I can bring glass with me heheh
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Melting Pot
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@vapmanjoe I watched your video with the Herbarizer water filter, this is really a cool set up I must say. May I point out a small detail which jumped my eye? When you are heating vapman with the jet-flame at the beginning of the session, you are holding the flame quite a long way from the bowl. I suggest to go closer to the bowl with the flame, it is most ideal to touch the apex of the bowl with the tip of the light blue (inner) flame. This way the heat gets transmitted in the most possible focused and efficient way to the bowl with less heating up of the surrounding. This is especially important when using the basic versions vapman with no heat shields. Besides this, the heating process becomes more controllable and regular, this is helpful when using a vaporizer without temperature control.
You probably know that famous painting from Michelangelo (the creation of Adam) with the two index fingers almost touching each other.- These are the apex of the bowl and the inner tip of the flame (the creation of a good session)
I can`t help thinking about this painting in this particular context.
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You probably know that famous painting from Michelangelo (the creation of Adam) with the two index fingers almost touching each other.- These are the apex of the bowl and the inner tip of the flame (the creation of a good session)
I can`t help thinking about this painting in this particular context.vapman
axakal
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given to the wood structure, i guess, the charring became a little relief-like on the inner side of the ring around the gold portion. so i thought i'd want to smooth it down at some point in the future. but there probably is no need to take the vapman appart for this purpose.
i wish the vapman wouldn't be so efficient, sometimes. just kidding. i had a nasty case of coughing during the last two weeks. vaping weed made me cough even more. so i took a forced t-break and used the vapman only with the balancing bleus mix from magic fight. placebo or not, but vaping it helped with the coughing. my only grime was, i had to constantly reload the vapman. clearly a case where a herb-hog was badly needed.
i wish the vapman wouldn't be so efficient, sometimes. just kidding. i had a nasty case of coughing during the last two weeks. vaping weed made me cough even more. so i took a forced t-break and used the vapman only with the balancing bleus mix from magic fight. placebo or not, but vaping it helped with the coughing. my only grime was, i had to constantly reload the vapman. clearly a case where a herb-hog was badly needed.
@vapmanjoe I watched your video with the Herbarizer water filter, this is really a cool set up I must say. May I point out a small detail which jumped my eye? When you are heating vapman with the jet-flame at the beginning of the session, you are holding the flame quite a long way from the bowl. I suggest to go closer to the bowl with the flame, it is most ideal to touch the apex of the bowl with the tip of the light blue (inner) flame. This way the heat gets transmitted in the most possible focused and efficient way to the bowl with less heating up of the surrounding. This is especially important when using the basic versions vapman with no heat shields. Besides this, the heating process becomes more controllable and regular, this is helpful when using a vaporizer without temperature control.
You probably know that famous painting from Michelangelo (the creation of Adam) with the two index fingers almost touching each other.- These are the apex of the bowl and the inner tip of the flame (the creation of a good session)
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You're right @vapman, I tend to hold the flame a little bit away from the tip of the bowl. Initially I thought I would prevent over-charring of the middle section or vapman in general. And with different brightness I thought it would be safer not to go too close with the Flame. But i will give your advise a try
In general it is quite interesting how different people use their vapman - depending on different variables like vaping preferences, quality and type of vaping material etc. there is much room for individual rituals!
I would really hesitate to try to clean up or smooth down the charred surface, as I suspect that with proper use, it will char to a certain degree and then remain steady with a charred layer of some regular thickness. Smoothing it down would probably just initiate the charring process all over again. And you'd be left with a Vapman with less wood where there should be wood.
I've realized since getting my second unit with the heat shield, that I'm more confident using that one because I can be a little less careful about precise flame positioning and can burn the torch for that extra half second without worrying I will see a wisp of walnut smoke.
But after a week or so of heavy use, my basic only very rarely smokes, and that is only when I push it hard after several consecutive bowls.
M0J0
I am a leaf on the wind ~ watch how I soar...
@axakal, you can use #600 sand paper to gently sand inside the wooden body's bowl, but be careful not to sand the tips of the tubes and the aluminum clamps.
Go gently and slowly - patience is the key...
When you're done sanding, put your lips over the golden bowl (without the middle section) and blow hard. - this will force out any dust that may have gotten in the tubes while sanding.
Then clean it with a dry cotton rag or old t-shirt and repeat the blowing exercise.
But I believe that Chippy is right and you don't really need to do this. It's just for looks and you might as well just clean it with the rag.
Also, for those who have bought a charred vapman from me: most of the smoke is from the oil + beeswax finish and not from the wood. You may be able to tell from the sweet smell of the oil compared to the burnt wood smell.
But after a bit, the smoke stops and the pre-charred surface stays very stable.
I don't remember if I've mentioned that I also char the bottom of the middle section - the part hidden by the stainless steel filter. This makes it more fire and heat resistant, and I Do Not oil that part at all,since it's not visible and not needed.
People can't believe how old my main 2 vapman are when they look at them. They are both charred pear basics.
I really like the simple, sleek look of the charred basics, but then, I also like the Steampunk look of the Classic/Mica with the screws and shield. So hard to make up my mind!
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@axakal,
I really like the simple, sleek look of the charred basics, but then, I also like the Steampunk look of the Classic/Mica with the screws and shield. So hard to make up my mind!
I've been thinking about how cool the mica heat shield is. I like to imagine that this material is the sort of stuff used to protect vital components on a satellite or rocket or other amazing high tech wonder. So if it really is just something used to shield the pilot light for a clothes dryer or a heating element for a coffee maker, please do not tell me that, OK?
I really do love the juxtaposition of natural materials, space age materials, and fine metal work.