Vapman

[coolbreeze]

I'd assumed that priming the wok before heating a second time was necessary to achieve the conduction heavy signature I most associate the Vapman with. Is single blast heating better for achieving greater convection?

I would assume so just from less soaking? But I hadn't really considered that. I think I associate the flavor, the airflow, and color with convection, but it is a Vapman.

Curiously, one of the things I most value in the Vapman is the lack of clicks. I've even switched to flint lighters to reduce the amount of clicking even more.

I know, the idea seems...nutty. And yet... But in any case you can ignore it altogether and still just use it as you always have, adjusting for whatever seems different with the new wok.

I was sat cleaning out a filthy wok this morning thinking, those flat bottomed pans look significantly easier to clean with a regular one qtip. Is that your experience? Or is the flat bottom also removable click disk?

I had a go at it but so far it just has remained much cleaner. Again a thing I associate with convection.

I've never had any trouble cleaning the woks using just the brush and pointed dab qtips.

oof. I can never keep on top of mine. I brush it every time and q-tip it with iso every couple/few uses but man, the day is coming when I'll have to get some acetone and mustard...

 

[jbm]

oof. I can never keep on top of mine. I brush it every time and q-tip it with iso every couple/few uses but man, the day is coming when I'll have to get some acetone and mustard...

I’m fine with the metal darkening somewhat, it’s still shiny, but not like new one. I usually welcome signs of use in a vape.

 

[coolbreeze]

One of the things I’ve loved the most about this device was that it was never a one and done. I didn’t need an orientation point. Were there so many complaints about this that we needed click discs? It also sounds like the current station as we know it can be kludged into working, kinda, but mainly as a really inefficient torch lighter. I’d like to know what “being addressed” entails.

Still not one and done, it just clicks at a really good point, but you can adjust your timing freely. There will still be more hits after, depending on how you've filled it. What I meant was that I'm more comfortable heating it to the click using a single blast, rather than a series of short blasts that build heat more carefully.

I think many people will feel uncomfortable with how (im)precisely they've seated their vapman--the feedback is not as clear--but it does seat well enough to heat 'normally,' it just takes a little more care. As far as the 'fix' for getting the indicator lights and temp shutoff working, I personally enjoy the freedom, though I'm happy to have the indicators for the previous Vapmans.

 

[Perfect_Speed4069]

I've never had any trouble cleaning the woks using just the brush and pointed dab qtips.

I bet you use the concentrate sieve when using Moroccan hash as well. I've recently been playing with some squidgy black of uncertain provenance (reminds me of Nepalese but can't be certain) and that's left marks that (when subsequently used with flower) can't be removed with the pokey end of the brush, or even iso

 

[Radwin Bodnic]

One of the things I’ve loved the most about this device was that it was never a one and done. I didn’t need an orientation point. Were there so many complaints about this that we needed click discs? It also sounds like the current station as we know it can be kludged into working, kinda, but mainly as a really inefficient torch lighter. I’d like to know what “being addressed” entails.

It's not meant to replace the vapman 2.0 in the lineup. It is meant to make the vapman more accessible to newcomers, and also more appealing with the possibility to satisfy people with a higher tolerance.

The point is that it has been tested by Vapman vetetans and the signature is very similar, full bodied, relaxing and effective. Still very much the vapman experience. I have been able to stretch my back and neck just like with the OG and no other vape is that good at it.
But it hits harder (obviously) so body effects are also more intenses. All in all it's still a vape that set your focus point into your body. It's excellent for stretching muscular chains as well as postural work. Also great for making love and playing music. (I've been testing thoroughly.)

I was sat cleaning out a filthy wok this morning thinking, those flat bottomed pans look significantly easier to clean with a regular one qtip. Is that your experience? Or is the flat bottom also removable click disk?

On our prototypes the flat bottom is held down with a golden micro circlip that locks into a groove in the central pin.
So it can be taken apart but I'm not sure that circlip will survive the operation (it's less than a milliliter outer diameter.)

Q tips can access all parts of the pan unlike the bottom groove of the OG pan. The flat circular bottom can rotate on the pin axis. I've cleaned it with baking soda paste with no issue.

 

[jbm]

I bet you use the concentrate sieve when using Moroccan hash as well. I've recently been playing with some squidgy black of uncertain provenance (reminds me of Nepalese but can't be certain) and that's left marks that (when subsequently used with flower) can't be removed with the pokey end of the brush, or even iso

I do, as a matter of fact. That’s what it’s there for.

 

[Cheebsy]

I'm really excited about these updates personally. I have a couple of questions if someone would please oblige?

Is the session length similar to the old one despite the load size difference?

Can the OG mid sections be used if we want a glass mouthpiece?

 

[coolbreeze]

I'm really excited about these updates personally. I have a couple of questions if someone would please oblige?

Is the session length similar to the old one despite the load size difference?

Not a whole lot different as far as I can tell, maybe a little longer when it's full?

Can the OG mid sections be used if we want a glass mouthpiece?

No problem:

Edit: this is the first I've used the V1 midsection on it and it's fantastic. Nice airflow still and the flavor is wonderful.

 

[Bolano]

One of the things I’ve loved the most about this device was that it was never a one and done. I didn’t need an orientation point. Were there so many complaints about this that we needed click discs? It also sounds like the current station as we know it can be kludged into working, kinda, but mainly as a really inefficient torch lighter. I’d like to know what “being addressed” entails.

Was there a need for the updates? Probably not for people who are already using a vapman but a lot of people seem to be put off taking that initial jump by the uncertainty in heating times. Also some by the small sized of the pan. These updates address those concerns for potential users.

I was very comfortable with my OG Swiss models. I liked the ritual of loading, counting, stirring, reloading .....
There's no need to count now, no need to refill as often as before, and no need to stir the flower. I don't particularly miss them when I'm using the click version. I still go through the same rituals, just less often.

With regards to the station fittings being addressed I think that needs more work. Getting this version ready for release is obviously a lot of work and has probably consumed their time.
If you already have a vapman and want to exclusively use the station with the new version with the same functionality ( lights going off) then it might not be for you. It does still work, you just have to listen for the clicks.

 

[jbm]

Was there a need for the updates? Probably not for people who are already using a vapman but a lot of people seem to be put off taking that initial jump by the uncertainty in heating times. Also some by the small sized of the pan. These updates address those concerns for potential users.

Is there actually data to this effect or is it purely anecdata? Are we going to get rubies and a coil in the next version? As to it not replacing the VM2.0, I’m not sure I trust that, since the “new station” they talked about for years is now greatly reduced in utility by this iteration. It has been on the market less than a year.

 

[Bolano]

I'm really excited about these updates personally. I have a couple of questions if someone would please oblige?

Is the session length similar to the old one despite the load size difference?

Can the OG mid sections be used if we want a glass mouthpiece?

The OG mid sections won't fit because the pan sits to low. The V2 mid sections do fit though.

Is there actually data to this effect or is it purely anecdata? Are we going to get rubies and a coil in the next version? As to it not replacing the VM2.0, I’m not sure I trust that, since the “new station” they talked about for years is now greatly reduced in utility by this iteration. It has been on the market less than a year.

I'm not sure it's functionality is greatly reduced. If you have a vapman and station currently they work fine.

Some users didn't see the point of the station as they were very happy with the lighter. Some users felt the lighter was a non runner for them, and the station was essential. Each to their own.

I tend to vape at home and used the station exclusively. I've mostly used the beta model since it arrived. Partly to test it but also because I just found it easy to use in the same way the station was easy to use.

 

[farf]

Is there actually data to this effect or is it purely anecdata? Are we going to get rubies and a coil in the next version? As to it not replacing the VM2.0, I’m not sure I trust that, since the “new station” they talked about for years is now greatly reduced in utility by this iteration. It has been on the market less than a year.

I would argue all data in the vaporizer community is anectada. Not many people running census studies here unless you'd like to take a crack at it.

Most people want an indicator or some form of temperature control for their devices. That's what makes the Vapman such a niche piece as a purely manual vaporizer. The new model while having it's own compatibility issues within the overall ecosystem (that are yet to be addressed) seems to be meant as a more accessible device for users that are new to vaporizers entirely or who were previously put off with the Vapman's non-indicative-of-vaporizer-temperature nature.

 

[jbm]

I’m not sure it's functionality is greatly reduced. If you have a vapman and station currently they work fine

The lights, sensor, and timer no longer work, but you can leave it on there till the station auto shuts off or the VM clicks. That seems like reduced functionality to me.

I would argue all data in the vaporizer community is anectada

QED.

Also, were there testers who had never used a Vapman before, or were they all “Vapman veterans?” The target market being new users and all.

 

[Radwin Bodnic]

since the “new station” they talked about for years is now greatly reduced in utility by this iteration. It has been on the market less than a year.

That's probably a sign they won't abandon the 2.0

 

[passenger]

For me, the Vapman Click makes it much easier to use in stormy conditions. It works on the station, ignoring the lights and waiting for the click. But I personally would not use the station for this one, it's outdoors where the new version is much better than the old one. Of course there is the bigger sized pan which is now a wok... that's fine as well. I tend to heat it a bit higher than the click temperature. For new users, the Vapman Click is definitely easier, no learning curve here.

I'm still very much into the station and have dedicated basics/pures, those stay at home.

 

[farf]

Also, were there testers who had never used a Vapman before, or were they all “Vapman veterans?” The target market being new users and all.

They asked me which was a huge surprise because I had only had my first (secondhand) vapman for about two weeks at the time. I posted a few times here about how much I was loving my original Swiss device and received a message with the other users who were invited. It seemed to be a mix of veterans and newbies from what I gleamed: myself being the most green behind the ears.

 

[Dr. G]

What's awesome about the Click on the station is that because the green light never goes on, the heat never shuts off, you can leave it sit after the click while the station remains at temperature. This means you can go after the click for a bigger hit, heating indefinitely until the 5 minute timer shuts the station down. It's a really fun attribute to be able to play with. When the Vapman clicks, you also have a convenient point to count off from, if you want to go darker. It's pretty sure-fire.

Agree but, some people do not hear the click...so, the lights on the Station are essential.

 

[coolbreeze]

For me, the Vapman Click makes it much easier to use in stormy conditions. It works on the station, ignoring the lights and waiting for the click. But I personally would not use the station for this one, it's outdoors where the new version is much better than the old one. Of course there is the bigger sized pan which is now a wok... that's fine as well. I tend to heat it a bit higher than the click temperature. For new users, the Vapman Click is definitely easier, no learning curve here.

I'm still very much into the station and have dedicated basics/pures, those stay at home.

I do love it on the station but I agree, this is now my Vapman I carry.

Agree but, some people do not hear the click...so, the lights on the Station are essential.

The click could be louder for both outside purposes and for the Station, I agree. Hopefully the fix will be something that allows the visual indicators to work normally while also allowing to them not work, like now. So, like an adapter that you may or may not choose to use would be ideal.

 

[jbm]

I do love it on the station but I agree, this is now my Vapman I carry.

You mean outdoors? I only use mine at home. What makes it easier to carry around than the Italian 2.0?

 

[farf]

For anyone concerned with how this changes the ritual and use scenario of the device: it really doesn't in my (very humble) opinion. I can't say for other users especially those who have had many more years with the original pieces than I have but it's the same device with more usage options for a wider variety of users.

I still heat and use the device the same way I have with all of my original vapmans. For now I am a torch only user but I will report back about use with a station once I receive mine.

This new iteration really helps to assure users in their control over temperature and timing as well as offering the option of a larger dose size with the new geometry of the pan (all this in reference to use with a torch, of course)