Vapman

CountVapeula

CountVapeula

Well-Known Member
hi there,

i too bough a vapman a few days ago. and i have to say this little fellow is a beast!!! :brow: i already have/had several homevapes, an iolte and a vaporstar. but excpet for my ssv, none can keep up with the vapman. :2c: only downside is that you have to have a really good lighter and butane(and with my type of lighter i seem to need very much butane). i ordered a jetflamelighter with the vapman and first of all i needed 4 diffrent types of butane to get it to work properly. and i presume, outside, when it's windy, it could be a real pain in the ass to get vapor from the vapman. haven't really tried it, but maybe it's just because my lighter isn't that good. all in all this thing ist GREAT! tried it with hash and weed and it did all just fine. also the session with a vapman are much shorter than compared to the iolite. you don't have to suck about 15minutes, you can finish a bowl with a few rips if heated enough. don't think this is for everyone but to me it's very pleasing.

one thing to add is, that i bought the cheaper version of the vapman without the fireprotection. can't imagine how this thing can become even better. so, if anyone thinks about buying one...i'd go with the fireunprotected one.

greetings
cv
 
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Abysmal Vapor

Abysmal Vapor

Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
Hi vapman guys , I am thinking of getting an used vapman and i have a few questions :).
The vapman i am getting has discoloration of the inner bowl.. it doesn't looks goldy .
Plz share me you thought if you consider it healthy .



Is this normal with regular use.. ?
I also notice that the metal funnel ring is missing ? Is it? or this is an older version which does not have it ?

Another question that i have is the airpath of the mouth piece ? Does it includes wood or this is high temp plastic or metal going to its screen ?
Is that metal funnel use just for filling (to avoid spillage) or is it an important part of the vape :).

 
Abysmal Vapor,
WatTyler

WatTyler

Revolting Peasant
-I think it says somewhere in the instructions that chipping of the plating can happen and isn't something to worry about- I've no idea where I've stashed them to check (if there were any, it could have been on their website I read it).

- The funnel is pretty useful- the vape has a small bowl, and by it's design any bits of weed sticking out of the side will get torched- the funnel makes it easier to make sure it's all tucked inside where it should be. You can use it without, but with care and you'd want some little tool (a pin/pick) to poke the weed into the bowl (unless you have really really small delicate fingers, not like mine). I'm sure there are replacements available

-When you pull off that little plastic mouthpiece it's just plain wood underneath. There are carb holes in the wood anyway to take down the temperature before it gets to the plastic and your mouth- you're so close to the load that otherwise it would likely be too hot.

It's a nice vape though, Abysmal, I like mine, although that one you show has had a very hard life. Someone has gone with very high temps to discolour the wood that much- you should work for a good price....... actually looking again I don't wonder if someone hasn't tried to heat it with a normal flame rather than a torch at some point, or maybe a huge plumbers gas torch- the charring is far more widespread than I'd expect from a normal small torch.


edit: wow, they've redone their site since the last time I looked. It is pretty nice. And I notice that you can replace the plastic mouthpiece for a wooden one :brow: And the filling funnel is only 3 swiss francs.

Not so sure myself on the vapman basic though- it's a beautifully crafted piece of work, and I think that the burning and charring that it will show will likely detract from that. I guess if performance is the only concern then it will be OK, but it's a shame.
 
WatTyler,
OhTheAgony

OhTheAgony

here for the chicks
You can get new funnel rings as well on the site you linked for cheap. But to be honest I'd look further if I were you, it looks like it was abused pretty bad, or at least used a lot. I don't own one though, they may all look like this after a while of course.
 
OhTheAgony,
charliedontsurf

charliedontsurf

Medical
To state it less eloquently than my European compatriots, that Vapman looks pretty shitty. I personally wouldn't pay much for it.

I know you're not fond of your MFLB Abysmal, I recall you said you liked your Italian Picadillo knockoff-thing more, so it might be a great trade for you nonetheless. Maybe the damage is just cosmetic, but even if so, I think the Vapman is cool partly because it's a Swiss, Steam Punk-ian marriage of metals, ceramics and beautiful wood, and this one loses some of that in my eyes.

BTW, I wouldn't mind reading an updated review on the Italian box detailing how it's held up if you ever feel like writing one in that thread.

And yeah the website is very nice, with some nice info. Didn't know the design had mica in it before. A quick browse through didn't show any mention of the their other two vapes at all, although I think the Element friction powered one is out of production.

Edit, Swiss, my bad!
 
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Abysmal Vapor

Abysmal Vapor

Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
Vapman is Swiss :) not swedish :) . New site is not ON yet but will be in few weeks ! Sry if i mislead someone. As long as the trade i demanded a higher resolution photos.. I am starting to think that i won't be able to leave with the abused looks of that abused vapman... It is obviously overheated.. multiple times.
Gold cover flakes at 600 C ..
As long as the Little Magic Square :) It is getting used only outdoors (and the weather is pretty shitty these months :D) and honestly i forgot that i started a thread about it .. LOL. It fully substitutes my MFLB that is all i can say.. I like the bigger bowl . The only thing that might be listed as a problem is that cause the battery goes like 90% in the vape it gets a bit hotter compared to mflb but not that much hotter. It is no problem to leave it for 30 seconds in which is enough for me .
The battery might be getting hotter but the vapor is a way cooler and less irritating to me .. I used to cough a lot from my MFLB and eat/inhale particles. I don't have that isssue with LMS ,IMO due to the hole is not at the bottom but in the middle.
I have also unscrew it successfully for cleaning few times.. and there was not yukky residue like my mflb has.. and if i clean once a month i guess will never be :) .I even think that all that crap condesing in the wood make MFLB IMO a bit unhealty .. having in mind it is almost not possible to clean it whitout endanger the heating element or the screen. For example a friend of mine has 3 years old mflb and it is filling the herb chamber with vapor even if there is no herb there...
 
Abysmal Vapor,
Vap974

Vap974

Well-Known Member
Hi guys,

I must be ill. Everyday i turn on my computer and have a look on fuckcombustion:p

So i find all what i m looking for, but today i've a question:

Which is the best size of a bong to use the vapman? 18.8 or 14.4?

I believe it's 14.4, but as i'm going to buy a one specially for my future vapman i need to know.

I have a torch lighter but i would like to buy the Blue from Zippo, is there someone who use it?

A nice bong+a nice Zippo blue+a Vapman....:brow:

I've already have A vaporstar, a MFLB and a Da Buddha.

The DB is the best but i love take my vaporstar, i like vaporizers with learning curve,

As it's a litlle bit difficult to use my vaporstar outside i want a vapman.

Thanks for yours advices.
 
Vap974,
Stone__Man

Stone__Man

Well-Known Member
I like what I have read and seen of the vapman, looks well thought out. when I first came to FC I dismissed it thinking it were much bigger than what it is. I looks interesting indeed. and I have read here or there that the only difference is the lack of the mica shield material . and no lacquer, sand and polish. From my understanding there is ZERO effect on performance. The wood will scorch and perhaps even char a bit with long term use, but it (the scorching is limited to the surface, not like its gonna burn away on ya ) and it should be looked at simply as a well used quality piece, gives it character, its not supposed to be shiny and new looking like glass. I can see loading a bowl putting vapman in its egg , hucking it into my backpack and heading out. I hope the egg closes well and not like a "leggs" egg or plastic easter eggs.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy one used that had scorching onit, so long as the bowl were not over cooked as the last phoots above seem to indicate.

now where to find good torch lighter info? hum I have to consider it as it will be a cost/upkeep sorta thing if I got one of these.

to those that do have, I seen mention that the nifty little egg case don't stay sealed together very well? any findings in this area for you?

thanks :peace:
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EDIT

I found this info elsewhere and not sure about linking to it so here is what it is, a customer contacted vapman about concerns of bubbles under the gold coating of the copper bowl. and as it was brought up before regarding the purchase of a used vapman here is the vapman reply given and also the reply to an inquiry to the Copper Development Association.

Well, I recieved response (2 emails) very quickly straight from Vapman. Here they are:
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Hello


On the second page of the manual for the vapman is written: When the copper bowl gets severly overheated( 600C/1100F)
the gold coating will flake off. The vapman is still fully functional without the gold coating.
Your vapman got overheated severly, that means it got heated up about twice as long as indicated and now the gold coating is
peeling off. Copper is used in lot of things of our daily live, like coins, hot water pipes, pans.....ect. and you dont have to worry
about toxic chemicals coming off metals at these low temperatures, otherwise we would have sever problems everywhere.
If metals would decompose at these temperatures, Volcano could not use an aluminium block to heat up the air, or we could
not fry meat in metal pans or use copper for hot water pipes. I let you know that i personally use a vapman without the gold coating
for about three years every day and i checked with the microscope several times if i could see traces of metal disappearing, but
there is nothing i can see, and i invite everybody to check it for themselves. I hope i did anwer your question.


Kind regards


Rene Balli
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Hello again


There is one more thing i want to say about copper. Copper is together with tin, gold and silver
one of the metals first used in the history of man, that means since at least 10`000 years!!
Do you know any other substances which have been tested over such a long period?
You are not the first person beeing worried about copper used in vaporizers and i think it is
good to think about the safety of devices we use in our live. What puzzles me is, no one
seems to worry about using PVC and red plastic glues or teflon in vaporizers like Vapir or a
lot of others do. A fact is that plastic does decompose at quite low temperatures, i have seen
Vapir vaporizers where the plastic around the hot part was melted because the thermostat or
the fan was not working properly. Just because of that risk we are using only natural materials
around the hot parts. I `ve seen that you posted your question in some web-forum and i would
appreciate it a lot if you would tell the people in this forum what i told you, because we stand
for the safety of our vaporizers in any case. By the way we make vaporizers for over 8 years
already and we never had a problem as far as safety goes. Thank you for you attention.


Best, Rene Balli
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I also emailed Copper Development Association - copper.org - Info on copper and its alloys. about this same issue, and this is what they had to say about it:

Your question was: The heating element on the inside of a smoking device I own is made from copper, with gold plating. At high temperatures (around 1100* F), the gold plating starts to slip from the copper surface and cause pockets between the gold and copper with what seems to be a gas occupying the volume. The largest of these bubbles are around .025" in diameter, and .005" raised.

I am worried that the gas occupying the bubbles is Copper Oxide(II), and may be a health concern. Could copper oxide (II) be created in this environment?

Response:

I doubt that either cupric oxide CuO or cuprous oxide Cu2O would react in this way. The oxides of copper are not found in the gasseous state. I suspect the gold plate is there to prevent oxidation of the contacts.

As for any health issues copper is an essential element for humans, plants and animals. Please see the articles on the CDA web site under "Copper and Human Health" and "Copper and the Environment".

Regards,
Lou Lozano
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Stone__Man,
VaporNinja

VaporNinja

Well-Known Member
Stone__Man said:
On the second page of the manual for the vapman is written: When the copper bowl gets severly overheated( 600C/1100F)
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Nothing to worry about, I've had my vapman for 3 years, and the bowl still looks like new after cleaning. The gold plating will only bubble up and flake off if you severely overheat the bowl; just don't use it when you're stupidly drunk or tripping balls until you have master the technique; and always use a medium soft flame, and never scrape the bowl with sharp metal object.

 
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J.R.R.Tokin'

J.R.R.Tokin'

Wych Doctor
Manufacturer
I know what you mean. I'm pretty sure I'm going to get a Vapman - but that mad machine really has my attention too. I would just like to see a video of someone actually having a session with it. I don't want to spend all that money and end up with a mini-workout machine!
 
J.R.R.Tokin',
Stone__Man

Stone__Man

Well-Known Member
one point I would like to make, as I have started pricing , about the retailers of this vapman.

if u buy it from vapman direct its 140 for original and 86 for basic. diff of 54 dollars.

but with other retailers the gap is much smaller with the lowest price I seen for the basic of 120. seems to me retailers are trying to get a bigger piece of pie at the consumers expense. Boo on them.

why on earth anyone would buy a basic from ANYone except vapman direct is beyond me. and why so much more expensive then the 86 dollars shipped free at vapman.com unreal :uhoh:
 
Stone__Man,
Abysmal Vapor

Abysmal Vapor

Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
Stone__Man said:
one point I would like to make, as I have started pricing , about the retailers of this vapman.

if u buy it from vapman direct its 140 for original and 86 for basic. diff of 54 dollars.

but with other retailers the gap is much smaller with the lowest price I seen for the basic of 120. seems to me retailers are trying to get a bigger piece of pie at the consumers expense. Boo on them.

why on earth anyone would buy a basic from ANYone except vapman direct is beyond me. and why so much more expensive then the 86 dollars shipped free at vapman.com unreal :uhoh:
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They got old stock... so old prices + they have a shop and you can go and buy directly :p. This is a speacial price for the vapman in honor of launching the new website i think.. Also the price drop might came cuz he upgraded the manufacturing process..
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I think i am going to pull the trigger at one of Vapman's products soon. Either the jet ligher and the man powered version will be an awesome addition for my 'on the go' and vaporbong gear(cuz it fits gongs :p) .
 
Abysmal Vapor,
Stone__Man

Stone__Man

Well-Known Member
@AV I say another way. u can buy direct or via an e-tailer and find the original for around 140 dollars.

element , makers of vapman were thinking of ways to get their product out there to more people at more reasonable price and the way they have come up with, is to offer the basic version. which has no fine sanding, no oil and polish, and not 'heat wrap' and they say the wood will scorch (be black) but it will only scorch so much then it forms a barrier to the heat, like the top lay of 'skin' gets charred and that , protects the lower layers from getting charred as well. they say it is 100% the same functional unit, does not add or take away from how it performs. lemme see if I can find something.... tick tock :p

a portion from the horses mouth
the basic vapman is just a less expensiv version for people which
would like to have a vapman but cant afford it. Because we produce in Switzerland,
the costs are very high beside that the Swiss Franc (CHF) went up a lot compare to the
Dollar in the last two years, making our products more expensiv. The basic vapman
enables us to offer a vapman for 40% less costs.
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the key is 40% less cost. yet sites that carry them only cut off 20 dollars compared to the makers 54 dollars, on the basic model. its rather clear what is happening in my eyes. and its just as I said before. Pie anyone?

also from their store page this info on the 'basic' and its difference compared to the original
not fine sanded, not oiled and not polished
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and this
Function, quality and lifespan of this version are equivalent to that of the standard model. The basic vapman has no heat protection, therefore a thin layer of burned wood will build up in a small area around the pan. This layer will eventually have the effect of a heat insulation and prevents further burning.
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highlighted the key bit of the last part. so armed with this knowledge , that is why I don't understand why resellers are not passing along the savings to us? they are keeping more profit for themselves. which seems to go against the reasoning they (element) made the "undressed" vapman.

so there is one more tidbit and a MOST TASTY one in my eyes. while asking about the muscle powered vape :
We do not have any of the muscel powered pocket
vaporizers left, I am not sure when we will relaunch these vaporizer again
as we want to concentrate on the vapman at the moment. Our next project
is an electric heat station with temperatur control for the vapman.
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this was a most pleasant surprise and makes purchase of a basic all that more appealing. I wouldn't be surprised when it comes out if you could by a basic and heater station for same cost of original . just guessing. its getting harder and harder to hold off till I've researched more NON bat portables. but this little wonder is topping my list ATM.

oh and @AV look forward to your "other" info after monday :p

Peace ;)
 
Stone__Man,
charliedontsurf

charliedontsurf

Medical
Shit, couldn't help it for 86$ shipped to the states. I wonder how long it'll take to get here, and also if I'll get hit with any unknown fees for the international shipping that the Vapman people can't help.
 
charliedontsurf,
Abysmal Vapor

Abysmal Vapor

Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
SM I know that :).. But it is offered from some time now... Like and 1-2 years.. It was offered for 73 Euro.. And 63 euro is the price since the new site launched ;).
Lighter based vapes are such an addiction CDS :).. I am going to charge my paypal on monday.. and get one myself 99% sure :)..
 
Abysmal Vapor,
Stu

Stu

Maconheiro
Staff member
CDS, the V.A.S. is hitting you hard, man.

As always I'll be awaiting your report.

:peace:
 
Stu,
charliedontsurf

charliedontsurf

Medical
Yup, a review will definitely be forthcoming. Most everything I've heard about the Vapman's performance has been positive so I'm looking forward to it; edit: count vapula said it works great and recommended the basic.

Abysmal, don't bother because the site didn't take Paypal, which I would of preferred. Oh well. Their CC processor is secured at least.

I'm going to shoot them an email so I know how long to wait.

I'm thinking I might just put my own oil finish on the unit right off the bat. I've used extra virgin olive oil with a touch of vitamin E on wood for a long time and liked the results and of course it would be food and heat safe.
 
charliedontsurf,
Abysmal Vapor

Abysmal Vapor

Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
charliedontsurf said:
Yup, a review will definitely be forthcoming. Most everything I've heard about the Vapman's performance has been positive so I'm looking forward to it; however, I haven't read any about the basic.

Abysmal, don't bother because the site didn't take Paypal, which I would of preferred. Oh well. Their CC processor is secured at least.

I'm going to shoot them an email so I know how long to wait.

I'm thinking I might just put my own oil finish on the unit right off the bat. I've used extra virgin olive oil with a touch of vitamin E on wood for a long time and liked the results and of course it would be food and heat safe.
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Underbutter worked fine on my mflb,lms and my raw wood siefter box.. I think there is no they .. but him :) although i might be mistaken .
 
Abysmal Vapor,
charliedontsurf

charliedontsurf

Medical
Thank you AV, I forgot all about my jar of Underbutter! That will be my first choice before turning to the EVOO. I wonder if I should apply it to the wood that would be scorched under normal usage before I ever get started, maybe it would prevent the issue.

Pic of basic Vapman after a month of daily usage apparently:
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This is from http://verdampftnochmal.de/ who have some pretty awesome stuff, including the rare friction-based vape. Someone's gotta take the leap and review it!
 
charliedontsurf,
Stone__Man

Stone__Man

Well-Known Member
@charliedontsurf that is a very good question. I wonder what our Swiss friend would recommend?

I also noticed something about the wood on vapman.com it says pear wood and on a authorized vendor site it says ASH wood. hum. I wonder which wood withstands the flame better ?
 
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