Discontinued Vapir NO2
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THCMuscle
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My reason for only posting in this thread thus far is I'm very new to vaporizing (as I already stated). I had a box vape and when it came time to purchase a portable I used this forum heavily to make my decision. Since I went with the No2 I felt like posting my thoughts on it.
EDIT: I'm sorry if my review came off as completely defensive of the No2 and 180 degrees from what everyone else has viewed as a problem. I simply am very happy with this product this far, aside from the battery indicator that thing sucks!
EDIT: I'm sorry if my review came off as completely defensive of the No2 and 180 degrees from what everyone else has viewed as a problem. I simply am very happy with this product this far, aside from the battery indicator that thing sucks!
tdavie
Unconscious Objector
THCMuscle said:
You haven't irritated anyone yet....that I know of. The issue as I see it is this.
A newish user comes on the board, and either immediately or within a few posts gives essentially a glowing review for a vaporizer that other, more experienced users have otherwise panned. And sometimes these new user reviews deny an issue that more experienced vaporists have noted. A large number of people here use Cannabis exclusively for medicinal pulses, so you can see why they take details pretty seriously. Don't take offense at being scrutinized; none is meant.
Tom
dcorp
Well-Known Member
I quit smoking tobacco about 2 months ago, since i still wanted to smoke my bud, and bong wasn't the most convenient thing, i decided to buy a vaporizer. Did some (re)search online and went for the portable new Vapir NO2, bought straight from vapirs website, got it in a week or so and started vaping.. all seemed ok, but then i found this forum, and when searched for some decent reviews and comments on my new vape, found this thread and all the issues with smell and so on. To be fair i have no issue with NO2s smell, nor taste (actually i find the taste quite all right, clearly different from when you combust 
) Every time i vape it i can taste the herb, and the different tastes of different batches of herbs, although it ends with first 2 hits in can't detect any plastic taste there at all, maybe i just don't recognize it somehow, or the herb taste is so overwhelming..
Anyways, after reading the whole MFLB thread i decided that i'll get one, and i LOVE it, it's smaller and more portable than the NO2, and when your out in the open it's much more easier to use, since all you need is enough batteries, while with the NO2 you need a power source to charge it, and it holds 80 minutes or so (for me it's sometimes just 2 vaping sessions).
The NO2 design is a bit awkward, but wasn't a big deal for me, nor my friends for that matter (some girls liked it more than the LB
) and it's much easier to use from the start, especially for first timers, all you need is just suck on the tube, slow and long, that's it. The high comes a bit slower, but quite potent. The biggest pro compared with LB is that i can vape hash with it, and it tastes good. And if you want to get some thick vapor while vaping herb, just pack it more densely so the temp in the chamber is higher. As others i still don't get why exactly you need to wait for it to heat up and only then load the herb, this feature sometimes is annoying, also the upper screen get's clogged quite quickly, so you need to tap it from time to time, or shake it, or just open it and clean it. And sometimes soon after beginning i start to get more airy hits, but that is not a constant.
Now the LB is used much more often, cause it's fast, it's efficient (although NO2 is also good at this), ant it's potent. Since i was first among my friends to own a vaporizer, it was fun how they compared the 2 vapes, the clear winner is the LB, although the learning curve is hard for some, but still, it's design, simplicity, the warmth of the wood and just sheer beauty of it makes it the clear winner among the 2. And it tastes somewhat different (majority of users preferred the LB's taste), i myself found it to be more "milkier", softer, and right after you exhale you can taste the herb almost at the tip of your tongue, or somewhere in upper palate
So all in all i like the LB more, but have nothing against the NO2, it's a great vape.
NO2 vs MFLB
NO2
pros:
you can smoke hash with it
easy to use for first timers, less hassle (no chance of combusting)
cons:
slower heat up time (especially on batteries)
clogging screen
not so versatile when out in the open (3 day festival for example)
a bit expensive
the design is a bit too "hi-tech"
less efficient (it's constantly heating the herb)
MFLB
pros:
more portable (the size!)
more versatile (the batteries)
more effiecient (you pull out the battery the heating stops)
stealthy
better taste (for me at least)
beautiful
more "natural" (it jus plain feels different, while you hold it, not some techno plastic thing like the NO2)
cheaper than the NO2
cons:
the learning curve, for some it takes quite some time, and some times it affects all the experience, they just want to get a hit with no hassle, so they prefer the NO2. (but that is only for first timer mainly)
you can get combustion which affects the taste.
so that's my review and experience with vaporizers. Hope it helps for some.
) Every time i vape it i can taste the herb, and the different tastes of different batches of herbs, although it ends with first 2 hits in can't detect any plastic taste there at all, maybe i just don't recognize it somehow, or the herb taste is so overwhelming.. Anyways, after reading the whole MFLB thread i decided that i'll get one, and i LOVE it, it's smaller and more portable than the NO2, and when your out in the open it's much more easier to use, since all you need is enough batteries, while with the NO2 you need a power source to charge it, and it holds 80 minutes or so (for me it's sometimes just 2 vaping sessions).
The NO2 design is a bit awkward, but wasn't a big deal for me, nor my friends for that matter (some girls liked it more than the LB
) and it's much easier to use from the start, especially for first timers, all you need is just suck on the tube, slow and long, that's it. The high comes a bit slower, but quite potent. The biggest pro compared with LB is that i can vape hash with it, and it tastes good. And if you want to get some thick vapor while vaping herb, just pack it more densely so the temp in the chamber is higher. As others i still don't get why exactly you need to wait for it to heat up and only then load the herb, this feature sometimes is annoying, also the upper screen get's clogged quite quickly, so you need to tap it from time to time, or shake it, or just open it and clean it. And sometimes soon after beginning i start to get more airy hits, but that is not a constant. Now the LB is used much more often, cause it's fast, it's efficient (although NO2 is also good at this), ant it's potent. Since i was first among my friends to own a vaporizer, it was fun how they compared the 2 vapes, the clear winner is the LB, although the learning curve is hard for some, but still, it's design, simplicity, the warmth of the wood and just sheer beauty of it makes it the clear winner among the 2. And it tastes somewhat different (majority of users preferred the LB's taste), i myself found it to be more "milkier", softer, and right after you exhale you can taste the herb almost at the tip of your tongue, or somewhere in upper palate
So all in all i like the LB more, but have nothing against the NO2, it's a great vape.
NO2 vs MFLB
NO2
pros:
you can smoke hash with it
easy to use for first timers, less hassle (no chance of combusting)
cons:
slower heat up time (especially on batteries)
clogging screen
not so versatile when out in the open (3 day festival for example)
a bit expensive
the design is a bit too "hi-tech"
less efficient (it's constantly heating the herb)
MFLB
pros:
more portable (the size!)
more versatile (the batteries)
more effiecient (you pull out the battery the heating stops)
stealthy
better taste (for me at least)
beautiful
more "natural" (it jus plain feels different, while you hold it, not some techno plastic thing like the NO2)
cheaper than the NO2
cons:
the learning curve, for some it takes quite some time, and some times it affects all the experience, they just want to get a hit with no hassle, so they prefer the NO2. (but that is only for first timer mainly)
you can get combustion which affects the taste.
so that's my review and experience with vaporizers. Hope it helps for some.
DevoTheStrange
Ia! Ia! Vapor Fthagn!
one thing I have noticed in people around where I live, in those who have had Vapir's they usually had one as their first vape. Because it is their first, they usually think its the bees knees. Not saying that is 100% the case here on FC. However, I do think some people are quick to judge some of the newbies posting their reviews. Not all of them are here to try and increase vapirs revenues, although a small minority are.
For someone with no vapor experience they might not notice the persistent taste. I know that my friends couldn't understand the taste issue with their vapir products until they tried the vapes I have owned and realized there is a huge difference. To have a product you think is totally awesome and have someone immediately jump down your throat about your views is almost like having someone piss in your lemonade. I think it should be handled more like "Your lemonade is made wrong, but it's still lemonade... now, let me show you how good it can taste."
One of my good friends absolutely loves his Vapir NO2. He also thought the vapir products his cousin owned were top notch. However I cannot change my friends mind on these products because he has absolutely no sense of taste, literally. I use his Vapir NO2 whenever he comes over, simply because I am perplexed why it has a taste issue. It's always a "Maybe it wont taste bad today" kind of situation. Now that he is aware that there is a taste he asks me how it tastes that day.
For someone with no vapor experience they might not notice the persistent taste. I know that my friends couldn't understand the taste issue with their vapir products until they tried the vapes I have owned and realized there is a huge difference. To have a product you think is totally awesome and have someone immediately jump down your throat about your views is almost like having someone piss in your lemonade. I think it should be handled more like "Your lemonade is made wrong, but it's still lemonade... now, let me show you how good it can taste."
One of my good friends absolutely loves his Vapir NO2. He also thought the vapir products his cousin owned were top notch. However I cannot change my friends mind on these products because he has absolutely no sense of taste, literally. I use his Vapir NO2 whenever he comes over, simply because I am perplexed why it has a taste issue. It's always a "Maybe it wont taste bad today" kind of situation. Now that he is aware that there is a taste he asks me how it tastes that day.
max
Out to lunch
The reaction you got wasn't just because of your praise of the vape, but also due to the fact that you're a new member, and all your posts except one have been positive N02 posts in this thread. Below is a quote from a member (page 7 of this thread) who joined the forum back when we only had about 40 members. His opinion, as posted, is pretty much the same as yours, yet no one accused him of being associated with Vapir.THCMuscle said:
ozwiz said:
Since he went as far as to praise the taste, and nobody called him crazy or a shill, I think we can (or should) draw two conclusions-
1- Taste and smell, just like sight and hearing, can vary quite a bit from person to person, and how much value or importance we place on taste/smell with a particular vape is also going to vary.
2- The fact that a post from a long time member (touting the taste of the N02), is pretty much ignored, while others continue to call newbies with the same opinion a shill, points out how unfair it is to jump to conclusions and label someone as a fraud or company plant.
THCMuscle, I hope you'll hang around and make an effort to post in other areas of the forum. It's a surefire way to convince any remaining doubters that you're not associated with Vapir.
As for others who have been freely applying the shill label to whoever, be aware that in the future we will be issuing infractions for such name calling. It's no different, as far as we're concerned, than using typical flaming language. And even if you don't agree that 'you're a shill' is flaming, it clearly violates our 'Be nice' rule- All members must be treated in a respectful and adult manner. We want to encourage new members to join AND contribute. We don't want them to be afraid to post because they've seen other newbies get jumped on.
willieR
Been here since 2009
I agree with what you say Max. I will state this very clearly. There is NO WAY anyone would miss the smell of an infected NO2. No way. It made me nauseus, caused my co-workers to ask what was burning when I was burning this in, etc. This is NOT a matter of me having sensitive taste buds. I think this is seriously undermining the potential health hazard here. You would not want to be inhaling whatever it is that is smelling so bad.
I would submit that this isn't a matter of some people being more sensitive than others, rather that some NO2 units have a real problem, and others perhaps don't so much. I think that is an important distinction.
I would submit that this isn't a matter of some people being more sensitive than others, rather that some NO2 units have a real problem, and others perhaps don't so much. I think that is an important distinction.
My question is, what is it with some of these reviews talking about how amazing the vape-hits are, what big clouds they get, etc, but barely mentioning in passing how blazed it got them? I think skystate mentioned being high in like, one of his posts. It seems like that'd be a pretty important aspect for someone who supposedly vapes 4-5 times per day.
I'm new to the vaping world (just bought my Iolite a month ago), so maybe I'm just out of touch. All I know is that even though sometimes it feels like my Io isn't giving me huge hits or I'm not blowing out massive clouds, it never fails to get me high, and that's all the endorsement I need.
I'm new to the vaping world (just bought my Iolite a month ago), so maybe I'm just out of touch. All I know is that even though sometimes it feels like my Io isn't giving me huge hits or I'm not blowing out massive clouds, it never fails to get me high, and that's all the endorsement I need.
DevoTheStrange
Ia! Ia! Vapor Fthagn!
personally i think talking about the high is more or less talking about the herb. Discussing the vape is more or less discussing how good it is at vaping that herb.
To me It is not about how high the vape can get me... but rather is it capable of doing what I want it to do. If used properly any of the vapes I own can get me as high as I want, whether it be a little or alot.
So for me the endorsement I look for is the vape functional. And what kind of hit it produces clues me in on how that vape runs.
To me It is not about how high the vape can get me... but rather is it capable of doing what I want it to do. If used properly any of the vapes I own can get me as high as I want, whether it be a little or alot.
So for me the endorsement I look for is the vape functional. And what kind of hit it produces clues me in on how that vape runs.
Bingo!
i was thinking about that as i was loading the Bud Toaster in bed on Saturday morning for a wake-n-bake before a little R&R with gf. i don't think i'd take a water-filled bong to bed with me.
DevoTheStrange
Ia! Ia! Vapor Fthagn!
well to me that means there is something wrong with the function.
Rudy Rudiger
Well-Known Member
Well Ive had the NO2 for a couple months now and have come to accept the taste. Although I don't like the off taste, there are several aspects of the NO2 which make it a very versatile portable unit, rather than the obvious, such as fast heat time and portability.
First, the unit works in cold weather. This is an area where many portable models fall short. Being able to function in low temps is a must for my lifestyle, so this alone is a very valuable trait. Second, the unit is shaped similar to a bottle. The NO2 fits well in all sorts of compartments, bags, etc. Its easy to hide. Lastly, the unit is very durable. Ive taken some spills with the NO2 in a backpack and no problems at all. Its nice to have a vaporizer that I can beat on and not worry much about it.
Unfortunately, there are also several aspects of the unit that I find annoying or just illogical. These are somewhat small issues but they start to get annoying after months of use. First, I really do not like how the power supply fits in the unit. The cord can not spin 360 when in the unit. Its just an illogical fitting power supply. Vapir makes both the unit and the power supply, so I don't understand why its not a more snug fit. Second, the unit makes a very high pitched sound when plugged in. This noise is substantially louder when the unit has little to no charge. I should probably add that I have good hearing. Maybe this problem is specific to my unit, maybe not? My guess is it could be a loose connection, but as long as it functions Im not sending it in for repair. Its a subtle high pitched noise similar to the sound a computer monitor makes, if that makes any sense.
Bottom line, I don't think I would buy this unit it again but while I have it I find it useful for certain situations. Its like that old pipe or bong that just never breaks. This is complete speculation, but Im pretty sure there is lead involved with this model. I know this raises red flags, but I wouldn't put it past Vapir to pass on lead free components to earn an extra dollar. After all, it is manufactured in China where just about everything contains trace amounts of lead, including children's toys.
First, the unit works in cold weather. This is an area where many portable models fall short. Being able to function in low temps is a must for my lifestyle, so this alone is a very valuable trait. Second, the unit is shaped similar to a bottle. The NO2 fits well in all sorts of compartments, bags, etc. Its easy to hide. Lastly, the unit is very durable. Ive taken some spills with the NO2 in a backpack and no problems at all. Its nice to have a vaporizer that I can beat on and not worry much about it.
Unfortunately, there are also several aspects of the unit that I find annoying or just illogical. These are somewhat small issues but they start to get annoying after months of use. First, I really do not like how the power supply fits in the unit. The cord can not spin 360 when in the unit. Its just an illogical fitting power supply. Vapir makes both the unit and the power supply, so I don't understand why its not a more snug fit. Second, the unit makes a very high pitched sound when plugged in. This noise is substantially louder when the unit has little to no charge. I should probably add that I have good hearing. Maybe this problem is specific to my unit, maybe not? My guess is it could be a loose connection, but as long as it functions Im not sending it in for repair. Its a subtle high pitched noise similar to the sound a computer monitor makes, if that makes any sense.
Bottom line, I don't think I would buy this unit it again but while I have it I find it useful for certain situations. Its like that old pipe or bong that just never breaks. This is complete speculation, but Im pretty sure there is lead involved with this model. I know this raises red flags, but I wouldn't put it past Vapir to pass on lead free components to earn an extra dollar. After all, it is manufactured in China where just about everything contains trace amounts of lead, including children's toys.
I had a couple incidents that the unit was tested.
1. dropped it out of an unzipped pocket somehow, and it was exposed to a light rain in the woods for about 30 minutes. Fortunately I was able retrace my steps and found it on the ground. A bit wet on its backside (non-electronic side). Wiped it off and started it up.. all was well. No issues then or since wrt a slight moisture exposure.
2. Was taking a hit, while driving. Made a turn which had become (newly minted by the city) illegal to make unbeknownst to most drivers. Suddenly cops lights were flashing behind me, as I exhaled a cloud. Dropped the unit into a brief case while pulling over, and dropped the windows down a little while rolling to a stop. Chatted briefly with officer, got a warning for the turn. Went on my way. Not proud of it, but was VERY VERY thankful that the whole stealth thing paid off. If it had been a combustion hit from a one hitter, I'd be in a world of angst right now.
Regarding the smell taste. I still compare it to the iolite, which produced no different taste to me.
However, I am enough concerned to keep looking in on this subject until someone can verify through some real tests, other than just a taste, if we have a toxic problem!
As for the efficiency of the Buzz... no question about it.. the thing will do the job and then some, if you fill it and toke till the thing shuts off after 10-15 minutes. Many times, I have looked down at the unit and found it had shut off automatically, and good thing because if it was needing to be shut off by my buzzed mind, I would have spaced it out almost every time... leaving it cooking for way too long.
1. dropped it out of an unzipped pocket somehow, and it was exposed to a light rain in the woods for about 30 minutes. Fortunately I was able retrace my steps and found it on the ground. A bit wet on its backside (non-electronic side). Wiped it off and started it up.. all was well. No issues then or since wrt a slight moisture exposure.
2. Was taking a hit, while driving. Made a turn which had become (newly minted by the city) illegal to make unbeknownst to most drivers. Suddenly cops lights were flashing behind me, as I exhaled a cloud. Dropped the unit into a brief case while pulling over, and dropped the windows down a little while rolling to a stop. Chatted briefly with officer, got a warning for the turn. Went on my way. Not proud of it, but was VERY VERY thankful that the whole stealth thing paid off. If it had been a combustion hit from a one hitter, I'd be in a world of angst right now.
Regarding the smell taste. I still compare it to the iolite, which produced no different taste to me.
However, I am enough concerned to keep looking in on this subject until someone can verify through some real tests, other than just a taste, if we have a toxic problem!
As for the efficiency of the Buzz... no question about it.. the thing will do the job and then some, if you fill it and toke till the thing shuts off after 10-15 minutes. Many times, I have looked down at the unit and found it had shut off automatically, and good thing because if it was needing to be shut off by my buzzed mind, I would have spaced it out almost every time... leaving it cooking for way too long.
lwien
Well-Known Member
skystate said:
To repeat, our bodies natural defenses against ingesting toxic material is smell and taste and there have been enough reports from veteran FC'rs here of a bad toxic smell and taste to keep this vape from being recommended to anyone, at least, by me.
Considering who here has reported this noxious taste and smell and who has not, I think it would be best to consider this vape toxic until an independent lab test can prove otherwise. There are just too many other vapes on the market that do not exhibit this issue to even consider a purchase of the No2. It's just not worth the gamble, at least, from my perspective.
i'm guessing this sound is the pulse width modulator that controls temperature. it may change pitch as the heater switches off and on or adjusts to changes in heater temperature.
my Bud Toaster makes a sound, but it is muchly muffled by its wood enclosure.
Rudy Rudiger
Well-Known Member
Hippie Dickie said:
I have no idea where the sound is from, but that seems to be a very good guess. All I can really tell you is its been making it since I purchased the unit, and seems to do it when heating. It is muffled by the enclosure of the NO2. The room has to be silent to hear it. Its just one of those things that just eats away at you over time.
Can anyone recommend a good dealer - I am looking for the best possible price (coupons etc) as well as the ability to return an unused unit for a full refund if I get one of the stinky vapes...
I am fairly apprehensive about buying this vape. I need something portable and can't get over the look and battery usage of the magic flite and the iolite won't work at altitude which is a must ahead of the snowboarding season..
I am fairly apprehensive about buying this vape. I need something portable and can't get over the look and battery usage of the magic flite and the iolite won't work at altitude which is a must ahead of the snowboarding season..
Ok, I am NOT a shill (but I doubt that saying this will help). I read the entire forum, and my NO2 came in today (I read this forum AFTER I placed the order online).
It came in just now and has that electronic/plasticky smell. It doesn't seem TOO bad, but I am worried about inhaling burning contaminants.
I'm currently letting it burn on high for about an hour and will post back with how it is.
I don't have much experience with portables, but have used a box (I don't know the name for it, but it's a wooden box with a round dial and a long whip) many times, and a volcano on several as well.
It came in just now and has that electronic/plasticky smell. It doesn't seem TOO bad, but I am worried about inhaling burning contaminants.
I'm currently letting it burn on high for about an hour and will post back with how it is.
I don't have much experience with portables, but have used a box (I don't know the name for it, but it's a wooden box with a round dial and a long whip) many times, and a volcano on several as well.
Ok guys, it seemed to subside a BIT, but since I can still taste it, it just has me worried about harmful contaminants.
I'm debating sending it back in or keeping it. If I do keep it, i'll let you guys know how it tastes once some fresh herbals have been put through it.
And btw, I get the feeling that If I was to walk around inhaling through it, it would attract attention.
I'm debating sending it back in or keeping it. If I do keep it, i'll let you guys know how it tastes once some fresh herbals have been put through it.
And btw, I get the feeling that If I was to walk around inhaling through it, it would attract attention.