Discontinued VapeXhaleLabs Presents: The Cloud

[mongorian]

Only issue, lots of stirring is required.

This is something that i tend to do with all vapes

Yes, this is something that I tend to do with all the vapes I've used too, BUT I wouldn't say it is something I particularly enjoy having to do. It would be awesome if the Cloud's design made that less of a necessity. I understand that it will never go away completely - but improvement would be nice.

SM - The bowl piece is such an integral part of the experience. PLEASE take the time to get this part right... even if this means delaying the launch a bit more to achieve this. Would hate to see the Cloud experience ruined by such a small but important detail.

 

[IAmKrazy2]

PD (and MZ) are the only vapes I have used i feel requires no stirring whatsoever. With my Supreme, I honestly rarely stir, and if i do stir it is only once per bowl pack. If i am attempting to be conservative, this allows a few more puffs of good vapor. I have to agree, getting the bowl just right for launch should be a priority, but if stirring does happen to be the biggest "issue" i'll just be happy to get my hands on one.

 

[Pappy]

PD (and MZ) are the only vapes I have used i feel requires no stirring whatsoever. With my Supreme, I honestly rarely stir, and if i do stir it is only once per bowl pack. If i am attempting to be conservative, this allows a few more puffs of good vapor. I have to agree, getting the bowl just right for launch should be a priority, but if stirring does happen to be the biggest "issue" i'll just be happy to get my hands on one.

I don't stir Q elbow packs. Wider bowls (Cyclone) seem to require less stirring than 18mm bowls like DBV. I ISO my elbows and elbow screens every day. But I'm a clean freak.

 

[AustralianVaporizers]

Very excited about the release, we are looking forward to getting our hands on one.

 

[stonemonkey55]

Just to add my 2 cents, I think stirring/crushing will always be part of the vaporization ritual.... at least for me. I usually vape two or three hits, then stir/crush to expose more of the plant matter to the air, then repeat a couple of times.

For the VapeXhale Cloud, the crushing will be more important than the actual stirring as the Cloud will not have any "hot spots" so it will cook your herbs very, very evenly.

The current bowl design actually works really well, it is just harder to load/unload. The system that we are playing around with allows you to easily load the Cloud, and if you are medicated enough mid session, you can just remove the EZ loading bowl for future use. Another benefit of the new bowl would be that you can load multiple bowls and then have a monster session with friends where it is easy to removed the cached bowl and insert a fresh one. The main problem with the new bowl is that it cuts down on vapor efficiency, I have noticed thinner vaper when using the EZ loading bowl.

My singular purpose right now is to get the EZ loading bowl as close to the old bowl design in terms of efficiency so we can have the best of both worlds.

 

[IAmKrazy2]

Damn it SM. I just know this Vaporizer is going to be the shit. EZ load? These are the kind of minor details I love. Load ahead of time, and plug in after cashing? Brilliant.

 

[JFK]

Ok so i have been a devote SSV user for years now however i stumbled upon this thread and was blown away. Read all 71 pages and feel i have a good understanding of the Cloud as a whole. However i was never a big fan of water filtering my vapor. (However i do believe the design of the cloud could change that). That being said i was thinking about using something like the LSV vapor tamer (just a glycerin filled tube with a chanel thru it) in conjunction with a gg mouthpiece to allow for dry cloud hits. Again i do believe that the unique design of the cloud may sway my idea of water filtered vaping however still wondering if there was any testing to as how the cloud performs unfiltered. As if it hasn't been said enough you guys rock, i really feel like this is the poke in the ribs the vapo market needs to get some real inovative ideas kicking around.

 

[DaProfessor]

^ Yeah, I want to purchase the VXC because I see potential for it being the new do everything vape. If an air hose input could be implemented, it could even blow bags with an aquarium pump...

 

[rabblerouser]

keep taking your time, especially since i had cash when i pre-ordered and will be a little tight for the next month or two at least.

I'm sure you're going for perfection, so i'm not too worried. I'm pretty well satisfied with what i have now, but i still think the cloud might be another level.

one q, still hasn't been any info on the sovereignty hydratubes? i ordered it sight unseen, since i just assume it'll be amazing, just want some info to drool over.

 

[stonemonkey55]

Damn it SM. I just know this Vaporizer is going to be the shit. EZ load? These are the kind of minor details I love. Load ahead of time, and plug in after cashing? Brilliant.

Thank you, these words of encouragement is what fuels me when I'm burning the midnight oil

Ok so i have been a devote SSV user for years now however i stumbled upon this thread and was blown away. Read all 71 pages and feel i have a good understanding of the Cloud as a whole. However i was never a big fan of water filtering my vapor. (However i do believe the design of the cloud could change that). That being said i was thinking about using something like the LSV vapor tamer (just a glycerin filled tube with a chanel thru it) in conjunction with a gg mouthpiece to allow for dry cloud hits. Again i do believe that the unique design of the cloud may sway my idea of water filtered vaping however still wondering if there was any testing to as how the cloud performs unfiltered. As if it hasn't been said enough you guys rock, i really feel like this is the poke in the ribs the vapo market needs to get some real inovative ideas kicking around.

The glycerin tubes are great, they do the same job as ice without all the melting into the water. We have experimented with these already and decided to go with the HydraTube model for the time being because we felt that moisturizing the vapor is more important than cooling the vapor.

The dryness in your throat is actually due to dry vapor and not the heat of vapor, one only needs to look at lwien's hot water vapor to get a good understanding of this principle. Some people that don't like to use water filtration feel that the water filters out some of the goodness. THC is not water soluble so IMO the THC loss is negligible.

But to answer your question, we have dry mouthpieces as well. Or you can just use a HydraTube and not put any water in it if you want some dry vapor. Down the road, we may release our glycerin tube if there is the demand. Whether this is smart or not, most of the stuff that we've built for the Cloud has just been the StoneMonkey55 wish list and not necessarily what we thought would appeal to the masses. Luckily, what I want seems to be in line with what other people want, fresh, tasty, thick vapes

keep taking your time, especially since i had cash when i pre-ordered and will be a little tight for the next month or two at least.

I'm sure you're going for perfection, so i'm not too worried. I'm pretty well satisfied with what i have now, but i still think the cloud might be another level.

one q, still hasn't been any info on the sovereignty hydratubes? i ordered it sight unseen, since i just assume it'll be amazing, just want some info to drool over.

Sovereignty asked that we not post his HydraTree until it was ready for sale but it will pretty much look like the one on the left here, except the tree will be gridded. The tree in this picture is a Luke Wilson mini 10 arm, the tree SG used is his famous gridded 8 arm

Hope that answers your question

 

[OC513]

wait a minute I thought I have read this whole thread from back when it started......so did I miss Luke Wilson HydraTree's being brought to the table?

 

[greystr0ke]

wait a minute I thought I have read this whole thread from back when it started......so did I miss Luke Wilson HydraTree's being brought to the table?

Seriously! Where did these bad boys come from?

 

[NYC Vape]

I have no idea if this will illuminate anything about airflow, but here goes. When I first got an older model analog volcano I had some duff lying around from my Extreme. I noticed that cached duff from the Extreme actually had some life left in it when used in the Volcano.

I can only attribute it to the different CFM of the profile of the bowls - wide and flat for the V, and tall and stacked for the E.

Perhaps there are other issues at work, but I find the V to be more efficient at extracting goodness than the V (at least in direct draw mode)

On another note - I would like to introduce a new expression to the vaping community.

I recently came across an expression whisky bootleggers in the early 1900's used for the first (and best) distillation of whiskey; The High Shot.

It immediately made me think of the first round of vapor, The High Shot, and I have introduced it to friends, when loading a fresh round (bag currently), and they seemed to like it.


So there you have it for your own use or not, (hey somebody had to come up with Duff)

The High Shot.

 

[arf777]

Like a lot of folks, I cannot wait to get my hands on one of these.

What is the efficiency like? Is it comparable to the PD? I've seen claims that the Life Saber is close to the PD, if they are I'd guess yours will be as well.

One thing though - THC IS water soluble. Check the work from the cannabinoid lab at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Also chemfinder has the solubility datal. It is a relatively recent discovery, but it came out of the same lab that discovered THC in the first place. Not hugely soluble though - the rate is around .25 or .3g/100mL.

 

[stonemonkey55]

wait a minute I thought I have read this whole thread from back when it started......so did I miss Luke Wilson HydraTree's being brought to the table?

Seriously! Where did these bad boys come from?

Greystroke, OC513 - Preston from StoneGlassWorks uses Luke Wilson trees in his tubes. He was nice enough to procure a bunch of them for me to put into future HydraTrees. The tubes were put together by TAFKAGM, similar in the way Sovereignty built us his trees for us to assemble into the HydraTubes.

Like a lot of folks, I cannot wait to get my hands on one of these.

What is the efficiency like? Is it comparable to the PD? I've seen claims that the Life Saber is close to the PD, if they are I'd guess yours will be as well.

One thing though - THC IS water soluble. Check the work from the cannabinoid lab at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Also chemfinder has the solubility datal. It is a relatively recent discovery, but it came out of the same lab that discovered THC in the first place. Not hugely soluble though - the rate is around .25 or .3g/100mL.

Efficiency is very hard thing to quantify. While the log vapes seem more efficient than other vapes given the amount that you use versus the intensity of the high, I do not know if they are actually more efficient at extracting THC from the plant. The log vapes force you to take very slow, methodical inhales. As we all know, the amount of time the vapor sits in your lungs does affect the intensity of the high. Many big hitters allow you to quickly inhale large amounts of vapor and if you exhale quickly, you won't be as high as someone who holds that hit in for 20+ seconds. The log vapes essentially force you to keep the vapor in your lungs longer due to the slow nature of the draw. If you could discipline yourself on a big hitter to take a slow hit that was maybe 20 seconds long, I am confident that you will feel a similar high given the amount of herb you use compared to a log vape.

Another reason I believe log vapes to be more "efficient" is due to their narrow bowl. The narrow bowl forces the hot air to pass thru all the herb without any hotspots. A lot of the heavy hitting vapes have wider/bigger bowls and when the hot air passes thru, you tend to get a hot spot in the middle so the plant material isn't cooked evenly. If it isn't evenly cooked, then you aren't getting all the vapor out of that bowl without stirring the bowl first.

We resolved this within the Cloud to try and give you the best of both worlds. Let's face it, if you turn up the heat on any vaporizer and take slow inhales, you will get massive clouds. The trick is, how do you get massive clouds without scorching your herb with high intensity heat? This is where I believe experienced vaporists will see the biggest improvement when using the Cloud.

Also, thank you for the heads up that THC is indeed water soluble. I am happy to see that it is a recent study otherwise I would have thought my memory was playing tricks on me. Based on the .3g/100ml ratio, I am still comfortable saying that the THC loss will still be negligible - but for those that love dry vapor, more power to ya!

 

[VWFringe]

efficiency and THC into water, good stuff, gave me an idea for a new vape that would be 100% efficient...it would look like a Dick Tracy tv-watch, and function like a site-to-site transporter, capable of being tuned to only pick-up chosen cannibinoids and/or THC, and re-materialize them in the blood stream, at a rate of .3 gm/100ml

hahaha, now all i need is about fifty years of medical technology evolution, dibbs!

 

[VaporNation]

I'm very excited about this Vape after reading about it. Can't wait to see how well it works. I especially like the fact that the Vaporizer will vaporize the herbs evenly (efficiently). That tends to be a problem on many vaporizers.

 

[Survivalism]

I wanna see another stonemonkey55 productions video, take a video of whatever you want as long as it involves the cloud or a hydratree

Waiting patiently man!

 

[OC513]

I wanna see another stonemonkey55 productions video, take a video of whatever you want as long as it involves the cloud or a hydratree

Waiting patiently man!

+1

SM55 thanks for the clarification on the LW trees.......pretty cool. Must be nice to be an onsider with all these all star glassblowers.

 

[arf777]

Efficiency is very hard thing to quantify. While the log vapes seem more efficient than other vapes given the amount that you use versus the intensity of the high, I do not know if they are actually more efficient at extracting THC from the plant. The log vapes force you to take very slow, methodical inhales. As we all know, the amount of time the vapor sits in your lungs does affect the intensity of the high. Many big hitters allow you to quickly inhale large amounts of vapor and if you exhale quickly, you won't be as high as someone who holds that hit in for 20+ seconds. The log vapes essentially force you to keep the vapor in your lungs longer due to the slow nature of the draw. If you could discipline yourself on a big hitter to take a slow hit that was maybe 20 seconds long, I am confident that you will feel a similar high given the amount of herb you use compared to a log vape.
Another reason I believe log vapes to be more "efficient" is due to their narrow bowl. The narrow bowl forces the hot air to pass thru all the herb without any hotspots. A lot of the heavy hitting vapes have wider/bigger bowls and when the hot air passes thru, you tend to get a hot spot in the middle so the plant material isn't cooked evenly. If it isn't evenly cooked, then you aren't getting all the vapor out of that bowl without stirring the bowl first.

Great points about the subjective efficiency of log vapes. Those issues are one of the reasons lab studies of efficiency tend to be unhelpful in the real world. Almost all of them measured the quantities of the various substances in the smoke or vapor, not either the subjective experience or the levels in the blood stream.

Which is really problematic for the studies that indicate water devices are wasteful. As we all know, especially when combusting, we can usually hold water hits in longer, thereby increasing the percentage of chemicals in the smoke that actually make it into the blood and across the barrier into the brain. For instance, I'm a big fan of the erbo pipe when I'm using medicinally or when I'm sick. According to one major study, it absorbs more THC than any other water pipe tested. But it gives such a smooth hit I can use it when I can't use any other device, and I can hold its smoke so long almost nothing is exhaled.

Taking all that into account, I still usually prefer water devices.

And anyway they're fun to play with. Still trying to decide which of your packages to order. All the glass looks beautiful.

 

[stonemonkey55]

I wanna see another stonemonkey55 productions video, take a video of whatever you want as long as it involves the cloud or a hydratree

Waiting patiently man!

I wanna see another stonemonkey55 productions video, take a video of whatever you want as long as it involves the cloud or a hydratree

Waiting patiently man!

+1

SM55 thanks for the clarification on the LW trees.......pretty cool. Must be nice to be an onsider with all these all star glassblowers.

Your wish is my command, it looks like we got the heater firmware perfected and ready to go. Heat up time is between 3-5 minutes depending on how hot you want it to go. Still waiting on the final "EZ loader" bowl but other than that, the Cloud is 100% ready to launch.

Enjoy, and please feel free to leave comments - http://vapexhale.com/index.php?opti...-13-4-video-included&catid=4:general&Itemid=6

 

[Survivalism]

I wanna see another stonemonkey55 productions video, take a video of whatever you want as long as it involves the cloud or a hydratree

Waiting patiently man!

I wanna see another stonemonkey55 productions video, take a video of whatever you want as long as it involves the cloud or a hydratree

Waiting patiently man!

+1

SM55 thanks for the clarification on the LW trees.......pretty cool. Must be nice to be an onsider with all these all star glassblowers.

Your wish is my command, it looks like we got the heater firmware perfected and ready to go. Heat up time is between 3-5 minutes depending on how hot you want it to go. Still waiting on the final "EZ loader" bowl but other than that, the Cloud is 100% ready to launch.

Enjoy, and please feel free to leave comments - http://vapexhale.com/index.php?opti...-13-4-video-included&catid=4:general&Itemid=6

Your the man! looks awesome dude.. dont know what to say except i cant wait to buy one!

 

[Pappy]

Enjoy, and please feel free to leave comments - http://vapexhale.com/index.php?option=c l&Itemid=6

Tantalizing video SM. The VG tube looks awesome but vulnerable due to the exposed joint. Will VG recess the joint on their production Hydratubes like the other brands? It seems a more stable solution.

 

[OC513]

Enjoy, and please feel free to leave comments - http://vapexhale.com/index.php?opti...-13-4-video-included&catid=4:general&Itemid=6

haha....thank you.....nice way to finish up the weekend....dreaming of getting my hands on the Cloud.

 

[Troi]

Hey Stonemonkey,

While I am sure this may have come up already, but I thought about it (regarding your issue with the design of the easy load), from what I can see and how you describe it the screen/bowl lowading mechanism is similar to a thimble, or even more familiar the screen used in the Extreme Elbo,

What if rather then having the thimble design, use a cone design kinda like a funnel, but with no exit the side slop off to a central point, that remains closed, I just thought this would increase the fresh surface area of hot air and green and possibly improve the density, while still maintaining the easy top load.