Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud
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Hotboxvapebongin
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dude you obviously no nothing of simple physics..... bigger bolt = bigger nutscrews. That's why on those Illadelph's you posted, you don't see 18.8 mm ground joints being used as the attachment socket for the Illy Coils
hogleg
Well-Known Member
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...ss-cookware/breaking-glass-cookware/index.htm. @ tea party Hell every time I bake with a pyrex pan, after it comes out of the oven it either goes onto wet grass, a cold concrete floor, or my fridge. In all my years I have yet to see one crack.
NewSchoolExplorer
Active Member
Temperature changes causes stress, even heating and cooling eases it a bit. I am not sure but does VXC offer replacements parts to purchase in case of such situations. (I have asked this question before but for some reason it has remained ignored or the response might have gone unnoticed.)
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Tea Party
Boro Connoisseur
dude you obviously no nothing of simple physics..... bigger bolt = bigger nutscrews. That's why on those Illadelph's you posted, you don't see 18.8 mm ground joints being used as the attachment socket for the Illy Coils
So the fact that it is bigger negates the fact that it is a ground glass joint?
BC customs pieces which use multiple percs uses 18mm connections.
NewSchoolExplorer
Active Member
Tea Party, what is the point of continuing the argument, cant we just agree to disagree. I side by the reason of stress. It is not to say that the piece will break but its good to have some precaution and proper care for your investments. Its your money, do as you please...
Tea Party
Boro Connoisseur
That what I was saying from the beginning...
As far as this argument being bickered about, what about the people who are nagging for a longer warranty who have no interest in buying the product...
Silver420Surfer
Downward spiral
Two wrongs make a right:/ ...Same logic the pill-poppin,hate monger in your avatar represents
Edit:when the bickering here goes against forum rules, we would have every confidence the mods would handle it.
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anmclark23
Well-Known Member
so next we have a disagreement to disagree followed up by an agreement to agree 
i need my email before i kick bucket trying to sort this .. no seriously pls no but it would be nice to see that memo
[edit] boo for me ... i learned there are haters in life ... and efforts are often under-appreciated until the foot left the footprint ... but also i might get a personalized response if im a deutcsh wth?? i should be soo lucky jk keep up positive contributes!!
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i need my email before i kick bucket trying to sort this .. no seriously pls no but it would be nice to see that memo[edit] boo for me ... i learned there are haters in life ... and efforts are often under-appreciated until the foot left the footprint ... but also i might get a personalized response if im a deutcsh wth?? i should be soo lucky jk keep up positive contributes!!
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elmomuzz
That just happened...
Let's see here. 250 degrees celcious = 482 degrees farenheit. Should we trust the rest of your statement as being well informed? lol
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No what you said from the beginning was "If I snapped the joint off my unit I would in no way expect it to be replaced under warranty, that is just ridiculous."
And what me, and just about everyone else here have said is that...joints can possibly be weak; heat, condensation sticking the joints together, and the fact that the tube slides on and off the joint and has to balance on the joint can all be factors that could lead to a broken joint and a legitimate warranty claim.
Typical to your username, you don't give a shit about anyone else and you take the side of the corporation over the consumer. But here is the thing, pretty much nobody gives a shit about your opinion, we want to know if VXL believes in weak joints and thermal shock, chances are they do.
Finally, thanks for hijacking the thread for the past few pages with your denial of the existence of things that everyone knows exist (you probably pass-off evolution as just another theory) and more thanks for your "insiders guide" to the "glass game" you've been a part of for a whopping 6 years (I've got Bob B and Snoddy pieces probably as old as you).
Here is my review of my cloud so far, it got buried in minutes with this waste of time argument:
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I think it was a typo on Slightly Medicated's part...150 = 302
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
fwiw guys, I measured the temp of the joint (posted a couple days ago) . . . 93C/200F.
And can we please not get personal and especially please not go down the political snark rat hole?
And can we please not get personal and especially please not go down the political snark rat hole?
nugghuffer
vaked
[EDIT] Sorry, but that ^^^ was the main point I agreed with. Couldn't help quoting that entire post though because of some of the smart-ass comments made by Tea Party on the last few page (especially one to me).
+1. I said I'd be interested in buying an extended warranty in the future and Rush Limbaugh over here asked me "how much do you spend on pot a year?". If an extended warranty won't be offered I'm sure VXL will still take care of certain incidents. Oh and I'm not bickering or whining and I definitely plan on buying this vape when it's available individually (still not sure if I'll be able to pass on my preorder though). Regardless of some of these minor issues I can't wait to own a Cloud.
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oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
The edit function on a post now has a time-out feature.
Slightly Medicated
(SliM) Iron Lungs
Thanks for letting me know. Gotta learn to triple check my posts in a timely manner.
Slightly Medicated
(SliM) Iron Lungs
Question: Was that turned up full blast or some other heat level? How long did you let it run before you measured? I am just wondering so I can get a better idea.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Glad to accommodate. Here's the post with the measurements I took:
http://www.fuckcombustion.com/threads/vapexhale-cloud.5247/page-87#post-218376
Short answer: Noon setting, 1+ hours. The heat did not rise with additional time.
I was mostly interested in the temp at the herb inside the ELB. I'll take additional readings with the setting higher, that should be interesting, too.
A few updates/responses from the VapeXhale Team...
1. Regarding Thermal shock - In the two years we have tested the Cloud, we haven't had an incident like Mr.SNM happen. With that said, just because it didn't happen to us, that doesn't mean it won't happen to anyone in the future. We are communicating with him directly and will work out something mutually agreeable.
We designed the Hydratubes to sit vertically on the Cloud to reduce any stress on the joint. We also explicitly state that the Cloud should always be used with your hand supporting the weight of the Cloud, especially with the standard 45 degree joints in waterpipes. Given the temperatures that the we are operating at, there shouldn't be any issues with thermal shock under normal operations. Again, we are working with Mr. SNM to deduce what happened and help him out with replacements.
2. Regarding warranties/faulty units/returns/exchanges - as previously stated, we are re-examining the manufacturing process. The good news is that units hand built by PowerNerd do not exhibit the same issues but the obvious downside is that we only have one PowerNerd. We have identified a few steps in the assembly that can be improved on and will be testing in the upcoming week to see how it improves consistency.
Those that are waiting for their replacement units, please be patient with us as we want to take a few extra measures before sending out your replacement unit. One thing I would like to address is the growing feeling that the forum members are acting as VXC guinea pigs I will be the first admit that if I were an outsider reading the reviews, I would share similar feelings. The truth is, PowerNerd had been micromanaging the assembly plant with our earliest units and gradually removing the training wheels so that more units could be produced more quickly. As that happened, we noticed more inconsistencies with our units. This is something we are working together to solve and we will be slow rolling until we feel comfortable that the root problem has been identified.
Sorry for the long winded post, hope this addresses most of the issues that were being discussed over the weekend.
1. Regarding Thermal shock - In the two years we have tested the Cloud, we haven't had an incident like Mr.SNM happen. With that said, just because it didn't happen to us, that doesn't mean it won't happen to anyone in the future. We are communicating with him directly and will work out something mutually agreeable.
We designed the Hydratubes to sit vertically on the Cloud to reduce any stress on the joint. We also explicitly state that the Cloud should always be used with your hand supporting the weight of the Cloud, especially with the standard 45 degree joints in waterpipes. Given the temperatures that the we are operating at, there shouldn't be any issues with thermal shock under normal operations. Again, we are working with Mr. SNM to deduce what happened and help him out with replacements.
2. Regarding warranties/faulty units/returns/exchanges - as previously stated, we are re-examining the manufacturing process. The good news is that units hand built by PowerNerd do not exhibit the same issues but the obvious downside is that we only have one PowerNerd. We have identified a few steps in the assembly that can be improved on and will be testing in the upcoming week to see how it improves consistency.
Those that are waiting for their replacement units, please be patient with us as we want to take a few extra measures before sending out your replacement unit. One thing I would like to address is the growing feeling that the forum members are acting as VXC guinea pigs I will be the first admit that if I were an outsider reading the reviews, I would share similar feelings. The truth is, PowerNerd had been micromanaging the assembly plant with our earliest units and gradually removing the training wheels so that more units could be produced more quickly. As that happened, we noticed more inconsistencies with our units. This is something we are working together to solve and we will be slow rolling until we feel comfortable that the root problem has been identified.
Sorry for the long winded post, hope this addresses most of the issues that were being discussed over the weekend.
Slightly Medicated
(SliM) Iron Lungs
Thanks StoneMonkey. Can you answer my question regarding what you plan on doing for unit that happen to break at the ground glass joint? Can it be repaired, or we looking at a full replacement of your unit? Also any estimate on the price of the repair if it can be done? Thanks again! I can't wait to order mine.
Also OBG thanks so much for linking me to that post of yours. Good information!
Also OBG thanks so much for linking me to that post of yours. Good information!
Hotboxvapebongin
Well-Known Member
i am glad to hear the response from stonemonkey. i have reserved a spot for the cloud and i look forward to owning one!
