darkstar72
Well-Known Member
Here is my paper roasting setup. The tip fits inside the log's heater cover. It's my micro-dosing favorite.
brainiac
log wrangler
Bagged me a couple of real beauties from that refresh - two young pups to keep the old Dog company. The Chico Claro Walnut is now well over six years old but still works fine and still looks lovely but, y’know .. VAS 
. The big one on the right is a Streaked Hackberry Alpha and the middle one is a Chico Chinese Pistache SC3+.
A couple of detail shots. This is the marvellous patterning you see when dd vaping the Alpha.
The claro quality on the Chinese Pistache gives this log an amazing 3D effect which is difficult to reproduce with a camera. It’s also highly UV reactive giving it some seriously trippy visuals.
The workmanship on these pieces is quite exceptional. The surface finish is like glass. And, as you’d expect from UD, they perform brilliantly.
It's going to take me some time to get to know these Dogs - and I'm looking forward to it.
. The big one on the right is a Streaked Hackberry Alpha and the middle one is a Chico Chinese Pistache SC3+.
The workmanship on these pieces is quite exceptional. The surface finish is like glass. And, as you’d expect from UD, they perform brilliantly.
It's going to take me some time to get to know these Dogs - and I'm looking forward to it.
eideal852
Well-Known Member
ooooo lawd, im hoping to get a little closer to a three dog night myselfBagged me a couple of real beauties from that refresh - two young pups to keep the old Dog company. The Chico Claro Walnut is now well over six years old but still works fine and still looks lovely but, y’know .. VAS
A couple of detail shots. This is the marvellous patterning you see when dd vaping the Alpha.
The claro quality on the Chinese Pistache gives this log an amazing 3D effect which is difficult to reproduce with a camera. It’s also highly UV reactive giving it some seriously trippy visuals.
The workmanship on these pieces is quite exceptional. The surface finish is like glass. And, as you’d expect from UD, they perform brilliantly.
It's going to take me some time to get to know these Dogs - and I'm looking forward to it.
hey @underdog could a UV LED get stucked in line somehow?
Adobewan
Well-Known Member
That looks like special fx.Bagged me a couple of real beauties from that refresh - two young pups to keep the old Dog company. The Chico Claro Walnut is now well over six years old but still works fine and still looks lovely but, y’know .. VAS
A couple of detail shots. This is the marvellous patterning you see when dd vaping the Alpha.
The claro quality on the Chinese Pistache gives this log an amazing 3D effect which is difficult to reproduce with a camera. It’s also highly UV reactive giving it some seriously trippy visuals.
The workmanship on these pieces is quite exceptional. The surface finish is like glass. And, as you’d expect from UD, they perform brilliantly.
It's going to take me some time to get to know these Dogs - and I'm looking forward to it.
Dave’s not just an artist. He’s a magician.
Bigcountryx
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My first dog is finding his way home today! I went with the Blue Mahoe Alpha, and I can't wait to meet him!!
Razhumikin
Well-Known Member
Thats a gorgeous one, i was wondering when someone was gonna grab that guy. Congrats!
Bigcountryx
Well-Known Member
Thank you! I was deciding between that and the Bloodwood, so I emailed asking for some additional pics to help me decide, and luckily he hadn't boxed them up yet. From there it wasn't even a choice!
Zillacon
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Pea_Oh_Tea
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I also am fortunate enough to have adopted the other Chinese Pistache SC3+ and think you did your best to describe the wood -- I originally thought that some of the horizontal lines/waves were maker's marks since most of the grain is vertical on my UD, but they appear to be "3D" - almost iridescent and have no relief on the surface at all.
Every single Dog has its day and these are all truly fantastic works!!!
I added, and subsequently removed, that Blue Mahoe Alpha from my cart several times, so I sincerely appreciate your help!
Bigcountryx
Well-Known Member
Bad News Beards
Active Member
Hey underdog fam, I'm looking for some advice on how to improve my UD use. A few years back when the UD team was dealing with a natural disaster I bought my first vape to support them (SC2 I think). I did tons of research beforehand and I was really excited but ultimately it didn't do much for me and it sat unused for years while I continued to combust. Fast forward to today, I picked up a Dynavap and Xmax V3 Pro to try vaping again and this time I finally saw the light. I've been vaping only for 2 months now and have quit combustion completely.
Which brings me back to my unused UD. I was really hoping to get something out of this beautiful log now that I've fully made the switch to vaping. I've tried straight, through a water piece and through a j-hook. While the flavor is incredible, and I'm getting lots of vapor, I'm honestly just not getting that high. The same amount of flower in the dyna makes me way higher than the UD and even the Xmax outperforms in terms of effects. What really confuses me is that I'm getting such a good amount of vapor from the UD, I'm just not seemingly getting that high off it. I've tried playing with various temps with a preference towards the higher end. I'm using around 10.3-10.5 before it starts getting into combustion territory.
I do let the UD heat up for at least an hour before use. I just wonder what I'm doing so wrong to get sub par effects. Has vape technology just improved that much since I bought my SC2 many years ago? Or am I fucking this up some how?
Which brings me back to my unused UD. I was really hoping to get something out of this beautiful log now that I've fully made the switch to vaping. I've tried straight, through a water piece and through a j-hook. While the flavor is incredible, and I'm getting lots of vapor, I'm honestly just not getting that high. The same amount of flower in the dyna makes me way higher than the UD and even the Xmax outperforms in terms of effects. What really confuses me is that I'm getting such a good amount of vapor from the UD, I'm just not seemingly getting that high off it. I've tried playing with various temps with a preference towards the higher end. I'm using around 10.3-10.5 before it starts getting into combustion territory.
I do let the UD heat up for at least an hour before use. I just wonder what I'm doing so wrong to get sub par effects. Has vape technology just improved that much since I bought my SC2 many years ago? Or am I fucking this up some how?
Glad to hear the Pup is getting another chance to play even if the results aren't what you're aiming for so far.
I think you can rule out tech improvements as a variable since vaporization (in this type of application) is just a game
of heating air and then delivering that air to the load. Given that the UD is making lots of vapor and that the flavor is great
I think we can safely say it's heating air and delivering it effectively.
I don't have a scientific way of experimenting with this or verifying it but I suspect it's a temp issue where the other vapes are
either heating the load more and releasing more intoxicating cannabinoids and the UD isn't heating the load to that degree so
not getting those same 'noids. Or maybe the UD is running so hot it's destroying them but I suspect the the first scenario to be
more likely.
I'd suggest experimenting even more with different temps and with different load amounts in the UD as airflow changes can affect
this stuff quite a bit and load size will definitely affect airflow.
I talk to a lot of smokers who say they don't get high (or as high) when vaping as long as they are also still smoking and quite a few
of them seem to think that the high temp effects they get from the smoking interferes, blocks or makes them insensitive to the lower
temp effects of vaping.
No personal scientific basis to the above just many years of casual observation that may or may not be helpful to you in trying to figure
the mystery out.
vaporculture
Well-Known Member
Along with what Dave said in the above reply, I'd like to see you try this :
1) Use a metal tipped stem (a clean stem is your friend when it comes to thick hits)
2) Set the depth of the screen so that the top of the basket is about the thickness of a nickle below the end of the stem
3) Use the straw method to gently (lightly) pack the stem so that it just fills to the end of the stem
4) Use the pad of your finger to lightly tamp the load so it does not extend all the way to the end of the stem
5) Experiment with temperature to achieve dark brown 1 hit extraction --- with less material and space for airflow you can get a nice roast.
My rule of thumb with my Underdogs is that if I want a zinger of a hit, the trick of using less material as described above delivers the punch. If you pack more, or use the glass tipped stems, you can get some nice clouds, and a range of flavors from fresh to spent as you take multiple tokes, but it doesn't do the same thing.
Bad News Beards
Active Member
Glad to hear the Pup is getting another chance to play even if the results aren't what you're aiming for so far.
I think you can rule out tech improvements as a variable since vaporization (in this type of application) is just a game
of heating air and then delivering that air to the load. Given that the UD is making lots of vapor and that the flavor is great
I think we can safely say it's heating air and delivering it effectively.
I don't have a scientific way of experimenting with this or verifying it but I suspect it's a temp issue where the other vapes are
either heating the load more and releasing more intoxicating cannabinoids and the UD isn't heating the load to that degree so
not getting those same 'noids. Or maybe the UD is running so hot it's destroying them but I suspect the the first scenario to be
more likely.
I'd suggest experimenting even more with different temps and with different load amounts in the UD as airflow changes can affect
this stuff quite a bit and load size will definitely affect airflow.
I talk to a lot of smokers who say they don't get high (or as high) when vaping as long as they are also still smoking and quite a few
of them seem to think that the high temp effects they get from the smoking interferes, blocks or makes them insensitive to the lower
temp effects of vaping.
No personal scientific basis to the above just many years of casual observation that may or may not be helpful to you in trying to figure
the mystery out.
I really appreciate you taking the time to troubleshoot some stuff with me! The gnarly customer service is one of the things that attracted me to UD in the first place. I'm really glad to see this thread is still active and UD is going strong. My first time around was definitely user error and it was my fault for not sticking with vaping only to really give the UD a chance. Thats why I'm so determined to figure my log out this time around. I'll keep playing around with load size, draw speed and temps till I dial things in. I may try upgrading my VVPS when they come back in stock and see if that helps. Mines using a clear blue one that's pretty finicky but I'm not sure if thats even a big deal (I'm an idiot when it comes to this stuff)
I do clean my screens very often and figured out that a gunky screen can really effect things negatively. the straw method is how I always load but I always use the glass WPA stem and I'm uncertain about load size and screen placement in that stem. That could be big part of the reason for my failures so far.
I do also have a Nylon direct draw stem with the metal tip that I never use because of the small bowl size. I'll start playing around with this stem and just loading it more. I do like the idea of just 1 hit extraction now that I think about it as that seems like it will be easier to figure out. Thanks for all the tips! I'm excited to start getting some more experimenting done with my log.
From your usage style, I would suggest that you let the stem sit in the dog for 20-30 seconds before hitting it as you'll get a bit more roasty-type hit.
Tai Sun
Well-Known Member
Been a while since ive been on this forum, instantly to the underdog thread haha
Whats new its been a few years, kinda since the launch time or just after i guess. New products ? Improvements ?
I need a new desktop vape as i have lost my beloved pup whilst moving and im pretty keen on another doggy or some good log vape for a bubbler connnection. Which my pup used to be perfect for.
Good to be back, look forward to hearing some feedback hope everyones been happy and healthy.
Whats new its been a few years, kinda since the launch time or just after i guess. New products ? Improvements ?
I need a new desktop vape as i have lost my beloved pup whilst moving and im pretty keen on another doggy or some good log vape for a bubbler connnection. Which my pup used to be perfect for.
Good to be back, look forward to hearing some feedback hope everyones been happy and healthy.
Zillacon
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@Tai Sun well I'm relatively new to the dog verse but I can prob help. There are three main cores you will see, the SC3, SC3+, and the Alpha (there is an alpha+ but they aren't produced with high numbers). The SC3 is the standard model while the SC3+ is a shrunken alpha heater. The Alpha is essentially their heavy hitter (right behind the alpha+). I have 2 SC3+ that I love, great small load size with really stellar performance....it's great for day use.
I have an alpha and she can go through a lot of material. If you are a heavy user it may make sense to go alpha, but honestly I really really like the SC3+. Even with a small load size you can rip it fast and back-to-back rips.
Hope this helps!
I have an alpha and she can go through a lot of material. If you are a heavy user it may make sense to go alpha, but honestly I really really like the SC3+. Even with a small load size you can rip it fast and back-to-back rips.
Hope this helps!
Heya dude long time no see!
Yeah I'd say there have been quite a few changes in the last few years and the current available models (SC3, SC3+ and Alpha)
are our best performers yet so I suspect any would be an upgrade compared to an older Pup.
The SC3 and SC3+ use the same stem sizes as your older Dog and are an evolution of those previous generation cores. Function is
the same, performance and airflow considerably improved and I suspect the lifespan will be even longer though time will need to tell.
The Alpha (and mythical Alpha+, et al) are the second iteration of the original Alpha from 4-5 years ago and use larger stems than the SC
series Dogs. Function is the same other than the stems/bowls being larger, performance and airflow significantly improved and again I
suspect lifespan will be as well.
So really it comes down to how big of bowls do you want to use and then finding something you like the looks of in a core that fits that
size preference and your budget.
@Zillacon summed it up in way fewer words than me so I might have to hire them for future posts.
Tell me more about what I am looking at here.Sightings of the A+ unicorns are on the rise.. they must be getting closer.
If you've been waiting for these beasts you might want to get in touch and
make sure we have you on the list of peeps calling dibs...
CanikUser19
Trenchtown Rock
Looks like new heating cartridges for some upcoming, top secret, hard to find Alpha+ units.
