Underdog Log Vapes

[FreddieFresh]

I run my dogs through water maybe 95% of the time, which means I've got a bit of a built-in resistance low-end.

Yea I think most water pieces would probably nullify the difference. I still noticed it a bit with my showerhead but its more noticeable dry imo

Nothing says we can't both be right.

I play by Highlander rules, there can only be one

TGIOT = Thank God I'm off tomorrow

On a more serious note, fuck what I said about slightly hotter. I've had to turn both my dogs down below 10v (managed to combust with both ) and they're still producing scary thick vapor lol. I don't know if it's the new PS or the VVPS but these dogs are whole different beasts. Their bark is nothing compared to their bite now!

 

[Stevenski]

The only issue I have with my UD is that the heater sometimes needs to recover for back to back stems. That is probably my only criticism & it is a minor one at that. Since I always double stem it is really my fault but wonder if the SC2 has a lower recovery time.

I have been running mine through a lab style VVPS & whilst I don't move my voltage much between 11.7-12.1v it has so many lights I have to turn it off & reminds me so every night. Previously I would frequently forget & leave my dog running all night.

I have said it 1,000,000 times but the UD is one of a couple of vapes I recommend without hesitation. It just works.

 

[Delta3DStudios]

It's super functional..not sure when we are gonna be able,to purchase but I know @Ratchett can help us out or..

Lol, indeed my Vape Spittoon is ALMOST here! I'm working on the instruction manual right now, and it should be done hopefully before the end of the month!

 

[Tekhie]

Lol, indeed my Vape Spittoon is ALMOST here! I'm working on the instruction manual right now, and it should be done hopefully before the end of the month!

Thanks for the information @Ratchett, didn't expect a response or for it to be released so soon!
Can't wait to get my hands on one, thankfully it seems like that will happen quite quickly.

Will keep an eye out for its release.

Thanks for all the efforts you made and what you've provided this great community so far.
You are a legend in my book.

 

[subway13029]

see thats what i do..make connections..lol..fwiw the spitoon is awesome and i cant wait to get some vapes back to use it again.

 

[LazyVaper]

Less is more. Less is more. I used to over pack my glass and SS stems too, but less is more with the underdog. Actually I think that's true with log Vapes in general.

+1. I recently realized I need to check myself: I've been increasingly packing my stems fuller and fuller, even though I know better. Need to do a "less is more" reset!

The only "problem" is that the right amount of product just seems impossibly small. How can that tiny amount possibly get the job done?

The crazy efficiency is certainly a good problem to have!

 

[Parentalcontrol2]

Is there a technique with the UD?

I get somewhat a light buzz (3/10) off two GonG or two NonGs back to back. How many stems do you guys do on average?

 

[formicae]

I don't know if there's 'a' technique, but depending on the potency of my herb, two NonGs within 5-10 minutes will get me to a solid [5]. One of my 'bedtime KO' strains will get me to a heavy-lidded [7], sometimes [8]. My 'after work' go-to gets me to a pleasant [3] or [4]. A GonG or oversized NonG will get me there in one stem, with 2-3 hits.

Temperature affects the kind of lift/push, as well as the 'punch', so if you can handle it (and you're not chasing flavour) it's worth nudging it up a bit -- but maybe only after you're familiar with how your particular dog behaves as you get closer to combustion temps with whatever herb you're using. When using through water, the rapidity of the initial 'puff' of vapour is a good indicator; the more instantly you fill the glass piece's chamber, the closer you're getting to combustion, in my experience. But that's a perilously fine line, I'd nudge in 0.1V increments until it starts tasting 'worse,' then decide if you want to push further.

But really, it's less about technique and more about putting in 'flight hours' on your Underdog. If I'm not mistaken, you haven't had yours for very long? And while mine 'worked' from day one, I definitely got drastically better results the longer I used them, and got better at anticipating the results. If you're like me, and have bought a new toaster or ten in your day, think about the period where you're either barely toasting bread or completely fucking it up and end up waving a dish towel at your smoke detector. You eventually get it right, but it's less about technique, more about getting used to it, figuring it out. It's not really about the toaster.

(currently at [5], for what it's worth )

Edit: bonus stash shot, I reckon I'm set for...frig, years?

 

[Parentalcontrol2]

I don't know if there's 'a' technique, but depending on the potency of my herb, two NonGs within 5-10 minutes will get me to a solid [5]. One of my 'bedtime KO' strains will get me to a heavy-lidded [7], sometimes [8]. My 'after work' go-to gets me to a pleasant [3] or [4]. A GonG or oversized NonG will get me there in one stem, with 2-3 hits.

Temperature affects the kind of lift/push, as well as the 'punch', so if you can handle it (and you're not chasing flavour) it's worth nudging it up a bit -- but maybe only after you're familiar with how your particular dog behaves as you get closer to combustion temps with whatever herb you're using. When using through water, the rapidity of the initial 'puff' of vapour is a good indicator; the more instantly you fill the glass piece's chamber, the closer you're getting to combustion, in my experience. But that's a perilously fine line, I'd nudge in 0.1V increments until it starts tasting 'worse,' then decide if you want to push further.

But really, it's less about technique and more about putting in 'flight hours' on your Underdog. If I'm not mistaken, you haven't had yours for very long? And while mine 'worked' from day one, I definitely got drastically better results the longer I used them, and got better at anticipating the results. If you're like me, and have bought a new toaster or ten in your day, think about the period where you're either barely toasting bread or completely fucking it up and end up waving a dish towel at your smoke detector. You eventually get it right, but it's less about technique, more about getting used to it, figuring it out. It's not really about the toaster.

(currently at [5], for what it's worth )

Edit: bonus stash shot, I reckon I'm set for...frig, years?

Hmm yeah i just recently got one.
I usually put it at 11.3+ for 20 minutes and then hit it. It could be my flower too. How many hits do you get from a NonG? I only get one hit and the second one has no visible vapor. It takes me like 4 mins to go through 2 NonGs. Is that too fast?

I would go for like a 3rd or 4th stem but i cough too much so i chicken out after the 2nd lol

 

[formicae]

I don't know how 11.3+ is on your dog, so I can't really speak to that aspect. My air core ran at 12+ just fine, my Standard Core will combust before 11, and my SC2 likes 11.2-11.3.

I pack my NonGs to get two hits -- one full whitewall, one less-so (but still with visible vapour, if I don't see any, I slow the draw a little and it shows up). With my medium-coarse grind, that puts the top of the herb 2-3mm below the neck of the stem. I can get three hits out of one if I fill it to the top and pack it down gently? But I like the simplicity of sucking up a little bit, checking if it's 2-3mm from the top of the stem, and hitting it.

At two hits like you're saying, I think two stems in 4 mins isn't too fast if your dog is keeping up. I figure I do about the same, timing wise, sometimes.

One thing to try is maybe more, but smaller hits to clear a single stem. If you're using a bubbler (I can't remember if you've ever said), try loading up a stem, take a hit until the glass is white, remove the NonG and clear the glass (don't just keep inhaling until your lungs are full or the vapour diminishes), and repeat until you see no more vapour. This is definitely easier on the lungs, and you'd be surprised at how much vapour you exhale on each of those 'small hits.' This is something I wouldn't have tried if it wasn't my girlfriend's natural Underdog rhythm, my instinct is to pull a really big rip until I can't takes no more, but that definitely results in more hits that end up making me cough, especially with koo koo gonzo strains.

Shorter hits are still quite effective, and minus a bit of residual conduction from the stainless, your flower isn't going to keep toasting away after you pull the Underdog off -- spreading a stem out isn't 'wasting' anything.

 

[Diggy Smalls]

I've been breaking off little pieces and putting them in my nylon direct draw stems and I'll tell you what, I like it. I have to use a tool to break up the material after each draw, but it slows down the extraction and it tastes super yummy. I end up with less actual material in the stem, but I don't notice a difference in effect, except that it's more gradual instead more of a quick blast.

Sometimes I really like the blast that comes with a quick extraction, but through the week I'm looking for a more mellow mellow. Between the different stems, vvps, and different techniques, the Underdog can literally do it all. I bought mine and payed extra for an inline dimmer, so I've used it all sorts of ways and it really does rock. Since getting the travel vvps wth the 15v plug, I have been using it almost exclusively.

Shorter hits are still quite effective, and minus a bit of residual conduction from the stainless, your flower isn't going to keep toasting away after you pull the Underdog off -- spreading a stem out isn't 'wasting' anything.

I agree. I stretch out my stems sometimes. That's how I use the glass stems. I just sip on them. But sometimes I do turn the temp down lower and go low temo on a nong and go through a dry bubbler. That's really yummy and gentle on my lungs. Doesn't milk it real thick, but I get multiple hits. I just rotate the nong between hits. There are limitless ways to use your Underdog.

 

[Beastman442]

In the tutorial for aromatherapy it says "If you have a VVPS turn it way down". Anyone have any advice on around where that should me exactly?

edit: on a banksai dog with a MK2 core, if that matters

 

[underdog]

Heya Dogs hope you all had a good weekend. The 420 Sale (which just ended) kept us pretty busy so we worked thru most of ours which sadly isn't uncommon. Will definitely have to schedule some dedicated hammock time here pretty soon to compensate.

Things are pretty busy around here and ramping up further between the season change and us getting ready to relocate both our home and shop. So far we've managed out time well enough not to effect shipping or production times but they will probably be impacted at some point. Most notably custom work will probably get quite a bit longer as we have less and less time (and access to the shop). We'll still knock customs out as quickly as we can but lead times will probably go from a couple weeks to a month or two before long. Not super long for custom work, just trying to keep you guys and gals in the loop.

I don't know if there's 'a' technique, but depending on the potency of my herb, two NonGs within 5-10 minutes will get me to a solid [5]. One of my 'bedtime KO' strains will get me to a heavy-lidded [7], sometimes [8]. My 'after work' go-to gets me to a pleasant [3] or [4]. A GonG or oversized NonG will get me there in one stem, with 2-3 hits.

Temperature affects the kind of lift/push, as well as the 'punch', so if you can handle it (and you're not chasing flavour) it's worth nudging it up a bit -- but maybe only after you're familiar with how your particular dog behaves as you get closer to combustion temps with whatever herb you're using. When using through water, the rapidity of the initial 'puff' of vapour is a good indicator; the more instantly you fill the glass piece's chamber, the closer you're getting to combustion, in my experience. But that's a perilously fine line, I'd nudge in 0.1V increments until it starts tasting 'worse,' then decide if you want to push further.

But really, it's less about technique and more about putting in 'flight hours' on your Underdog. If I'm not mistaken, you haven't had yours for very long? And while mine 'worked' from day one, I definitely got drastically better results the longer I used them, and got better at anticipating the results. If you're like me, and have bought a new toaster or ten in your day, think about the period where you're either barely toasting bread or completely fucking it up and end up waving a dish towel at your smoke detector. You eventually get it right, but it's less about technique, more about getting used to it, figuring it out. It's not really about the toaster.

(currently at [5], for what it's worth )

Edit: bonus stash shot, I reckon I'm set for...frig, years?

Nicely stated and nice stash!

Everyone (us included) seems to enjoy your writing style, should we expect you to start a vapor blog or review site soon? If so we've got some Dogs you can test.

Hmm yeah i just recently got one.
I usually put it at 11.3+ for 20 minutes and then hit it. It could be my flower too. How many hits do you get from a NonG? I only get one hit and the second one has no visible vapor. It takes me like 4 mins to go through 2 NonGs. Is that too fast?

I would go for like a 3rd or 4th stem but i cough too much so i chicken out after the 2nd lol

It really depends on a lot of variables (type of flower, dryness, core heat, warmup time, draw speed, stem type, etc). That all said I like to use the NonGs as one-hitters but we're in flower bountiful NorCal so that may not be the norm for everyone. I'd guess that 1 or 2 hits is the norm for most people with a few users trying to eek out a 3rd hit.

I've been breaking off little pieces and putting them in my nylon direct draw stems and I'll tell you what, I like it. I have to use a tool to break up the material after each draw, but it slows down the extraction and it tastes super yummy. I end up with less actual material in the stem, but I don't notice a difference in effect, except that it's more gradual instead more of a quick blast.

Sometimes I really like the blast that comes with a quick extraction, but through the week I'm looking for a more mellow mellow. Between the different stems, vvps, and different techniques, the Underdog can literally do it all. I bought mine and payed extra for an inline dimmer, so I've used it all sorts of ways and it really does rock. Since getting the travel vvps wth the 15v plug, I have been using it almost exclusively.

I agree. I stretch out my stems sometimes. That's how I use the glass stems. I just sip on them. But sometimes I do turn the temp down lower and go low temo on a nong and go through a dry bubbler. That's really yummy and gentle on my lungs. Doesn't milk it real thick, but I get multiple hits. I just rotate the nong between hits. There are limitless ways to use your Underdog.

Well said sir! Keep it up and you might find yourself (along with @formicae) working as our official brochure copywriters.

In the tutorial for aromatherapy it says "If you have a VVPS turn it way down". Anyone have any advice on around where that should me exactly?

edit: on a banksai dog with a MK2 core, if that matters

@Beastman442 - pretty dependent on personal preference, oil type, etc but 6v to 8v is a good place to start... raise (or lower) as needed but try and keep it below maybe 10v on the VVPS to avoid burning your oil (or going thru it too fast).

 

[TeeJay1952]

Has anyone tried aromatherapy for logs to heat Dynacap?
Perhaps a fitting to sit on top for another sales point.

 

[elykpeace]

Wanted to give y'all a bark!
I forgot to mention I'm getting the hang of the pup and all I can say
@underdog @underdogette thank you for an efficent peice of art. Love my log.

 

[BrotherJoseph]

So I've had my OS NonG for three weeks now. I wanted to fall into a groove with it before I gave it a real review.

This thing is amazing. It's everything that I love about the regular NonG but on a larger scale. I had to crank my voltage by .7 to get the same result as the smaller one, but once I did I was sold. I can load twice the capacity and still don't have to stir, which I love.

The only cons that I can see:

1. There seems to be some resin creeping between the stainless steel tube and the nylon, but I assume this is only an issue with prototypes; as I've never had the problem with any over my other nylon stuff.

2. (This one is purely personal preference) I miss the old days of having the stop ring grooved into the stems. It always ensured a consistent load.

3. My efficiency has definitely decreased a bit due to the larger size and the good excuse to keep testing.

I would definitely suggest picking one of these up. It will fill a gap for everyone, no matter how you usually use your dog.

On a side note, I'm a few days into a 24/7 run with my barebones vvps running two dogs, and no magic smoke yet. I think she's gonna work perfectly for me. Thanks @underdog and @underdogette

 

[underdogette]

Thanks for the reviews!

For all our testers who have posted their review, whenever you're ready to actually use your 10% off coupon, send me a message and I'll make one for you.

Cheers!

 

[formicae]

Everyone (us included) seems to enjoy your writing style, should we expect you to start a vapor blog or review site soon? If so we've got some Dogs you can test.

Haha, I just like the sound of my keyboard when I'm in a certain headspace. Blog/reviews aren't my thing, and besides, I was just talking Sunday night about how glad I was that between my Underdogs and my Grasshopper, there's nowhere to go but down.

(also, no disrespect to you or Diggy, and not to sound like I'm kissing up, but between the video tutorials and the website content, I think @underdogette's got the copywriting down, there's a clear Underdog 'voice,' helpful and smart)

 

[Tekhie]

Only 72 long hours left until my dogs arrive at their new home. Been doing so much research and cant wait to start doing some testing of my own.Will give each pup my undivided love attention before moving on to the others.

I've made it trough most of this thread and have taken much notes, but if anyone would like to re-iterate their ritual and share their tip and tricks, i would be really grateful. Maybe i can motivate a lurker to post a perspective that hasn't been shared before or get some past contributors re-hash some valuable information.

I really appreciate everything that has been shared by this community so far and i hope i will be able to give something back after i rack up some experience with those pups.

Once again,
Thanks for sharing the biggest riches there is:
Knowledge and Opinions.
Edit: ( Forgot to mention all the love! )

 

[Aimless Ryan]

As I was just reminded where I was one year ago today, I want to take a moment to thank @underdog and @underdogette for a huge act of kindness they committed upon me after I was rudely dragged into Hell last April 27. Some thread participants surely know my story already, but others weren't here a year ago. To newer Underdog owners, here's one of many reasons why you did right by supporting Mr. and Mrs. Under. To some others, here's just one reason why you should feel good about supporting them soon.

I'll try to keep this short.

April 27, 2016: Already pretty much having lost the ability to walk (from multiple sclerosis), while standing in front of my sink, my feet slid apart. Here's the result:

About a week later I found out my home had been [very illegally] searched a couple hours after my accident. They took everything 420-related, including a beautiful weeks-old banksia pod Underdog. It's the cylinder (left).

After my two-week hospital stay, I came home to no vapes, no medicine, no grinders, etc. My return home was the day after Ohio passed cannabis legalization legislation specifically for Ohioans like myself. (Yeah, it was tough even without that.)

I think it was about now that underdogette offered me a replacement dog on the house. Which I accepted.

I suspect this act of kindness was no big deal to them, but it was huge to me. Not just because I had a new vape in my new life (with an empty vape space), but more because I guess it was the beginning of many acts of kindness that may have helped me survive my injury, injustice, another horrible (probably worse) injury weeks later, and learning to live with the knowledge that I'm probably done walking. (As you may have figured out from my current profile pic, walking kinda used to be my thing.)

Kind acts came from elsewhere, too. As I got used to living in a chair (which actually gives me much more freedom than before I had to use a chair), I learned that when you get stuck in the grass on a power chair, traffic stops to help you. Shit like that.

Most of the people who have helped me over the last year probably never saw the tears they created.

 

[Q_]

I bought my UD in early 2015 and just wanted to give a quick update / review.

It's held up really well. The wood has aged like raw denim, and it works like new, with no rattle. I get the sense it will hold up for many years to come.

It's also my most used vape. I have a lot of vapes but I still think logs are the best for personal use, at home, with small quantities. This is especially true if you want to minimize things like cleaning, coughing, unsightly clutter, noise, odor, and charging of batteries.

 

[underdog]

Thanks for all the love everyone!

Logging in here and seeing/hearing from all the happy Dogs makes us happy in turn.

Now, back to the shop for this Dog.. lots to do and only one of me to do it.

 

[rogrog]

I'm looking to get some new glass. has anyone paired the UD with those tiny banger hangers (14mm female) before? how was it?

 

[Diggy Smalls]

I'm looking to get some new glass. has anyone paired the UD with those tiny banger hangers (14mm female) before? how was it?

Yeah man UD is perfect for small banger hangers. You can use a bigger piece, but it's nice that the dog is small and the water pipe is small. Plus, it looks so cool when it chalks the piece up. Both of my bubblers are smaller and one is a hanger...go for it, yo.

 

[formicae]

Only 72 long hours left until my dogs arrive at their new home.

Where are you now, it's gotta be soon?

I've been spending evenings with my new-to-me (just the core, it's still my friendly walnut log) OG Standard Core, and it's been interesting. I know @underdog runs them through a burn-in before letting them ship out, but I've been using it exclusively this week, and it's dialed itself down on its own, over the days. I was definitely approaching combustion well before 11V before, but I spent last night at 10.6V and it was so gentle. No coughs at all with big hits, but maximum effect () with the crumbs I fed it. It might end up in the 11V+ ballpark my Standard Core 2 has romped in since day one.

Anecdotally, speaking only for myself, the SC2 design is a lot more predictable in its behaviour, which is probably really great for new users.