Underdog Log Vapes

[VaporBoxed]

I use all my vapes daily. Thanks dave.

 

[underdog]

I use all my vapes daily. Thanks dave.

Excellent! A dog needs to be walked everyday.. it's good for them.

 

[Elluzion]

I am soon to be an owner of a 3/8'' core dog can't wait! I am in love with one of the ladies...

and I will most definitely be doing a youtube review of the end grain goblet I plan to get vs the aromazap & mflb.

<3

Comparing the UD to the MFLB is essentially useless lol. Comparing it to the zap will be interesting though!

Yeah i totally agree. It isn't even worth comparing. I am very interested to see how the zap compares though... I ventured into this thread because as the short excitement of a new vape wore off, it's lack of milky hits after the first one bugged me. So i'm here, searching for a dog that needs a good home.

 

[VaporBoxed]

I am soon to be an owner of a 3/8'' core dog can't wait! I am in love with one of the ladies...

and I will most definitely be doing a youtube review of the end grain goblet I plan to get vs the aromazap & mflb.

<3

Comparing the UD to the MFLB is essentially useless lol. Comparing it to the zap will be interesting though!

Yeah i totally agree. It isn't even worth comparing. I am very interested to see how the zap compares though... I ventured into this thread because as the short excitement of a new vape wore off, it's lack of milky hits after the first one bugged me. So i'm here, searching for a dog that needs a good home.

I owned the zap and its clouds were weak compared to my UD. Im not sure if thats the same for the CRZ. Also all the zaps ran differently depending on the wood.

I can assure you that the underdog with the new heating core will produce fat clouds.

 

[Magic9]

Comparing the UD to the MFLB is essentially useless lol. Comparing it to the zap will be interesting though!

Yeah i totally agree. It isn't even worth comparing. I am very interested to see how the zap compares though... I ventured into this thread because as the short excitement of a new vape wore off, it's lack of milky hits after the first one bugged me. So i'm here, searching for a dog that needs a good home.

I owned the zap and its clouds were weak compared to my UD. Im not sure if thats the same for the CRZ. Also all the zaps ran differently depending on the wood.

I can assure you that the underdog with the new heating core will produce fat clouds.

I don't think it would be fair to compare an older Zap model to a new UD. I would love to see a comparison of the CRZ to the UD though.

 

[Elluzion]

Yeah i totally agree. It isn't even worth comparing. I am very interested to see how the zap compares though... I ventured into this thread because as the short excitement of a new vape wore off, it's lack of milky hits after the first one bugged me. So i'm here, searching for a dog that needs a good home.

I owned the zap and its clouds were weak compared to my UD. Im not sure if thats the same for the CRZ. Also all the zaps ran differently depending on the wood.

I can assure you that the underdog with the new heating core will produce fat clouds.

I don't think it would be fair to compare an older Zap model to a new UD. I would love to see a comparison of the CRZ to the UD though.

Yeah that is a good point too. I am pretty certain that the UD will outperform the Zap. Vaping the Zap is a pleasant experience indeed, but it only gives a fulfilling hit on the first one, then it's done.

 

[Magic9]

My results have been great with the CRZ. Not sure about older models. Not to hijack the thread though. It's good to see multiple top of the line companies doing great things. Keep it up.

 

[THCMuscle]

I've been a frequent skimmer of this thread but haven't read the whole thing. Which of the UD's are meant for 24hr operation?

 

[scottio19]

I've been a frequent skimmer of this thread but haven't read the whole thing. Which of the UD's are meant for 24hr operation?

i believe it isn't recommended for any UD, but they will be fixed if they break so people can make their own choice

I wouldn't even leave mine on if I had a UD or HI because they heat up quickly from what i've heard. Even if I did, i'd put it on a wall socket timer so it'd automatically shut off when I usually sleep.

 

[Elluzion]

I've been a frequent skimmer of this thread but haven't read the whole thing. Which of the UD's are meant for 24hr operation?

THCMuscle, The cores have been revised in all of the models posted online for 24/7 use. There is also a 2 year warranty, and Dave is a good guy and will surely take care of you if you have any issues in that time and even after. When I get mine i'm putting it to the test of 24/7 on time with aroma cup. I can't wait

 

[darkrom]

I've been a frequent skimmer of this thread but haven't read the whole thing. Which of the UD's are meant for 24hr operation?

i believe it isn't recommended for any UD, but they will be fixed if they break so people can make their own choice

I wouldn't even leave mine on if I had a UD or HI because they heat up quickly from what i've heard. Even if I did, i'd put it on a wall socket timer so it'd automatically shut off when I usually sleep.

Actually all of the new ones CAN be left on 24/7. Any unit purchased from this point on will have the newest core. I generally plug mine in when I'm "around" so I can hit it whenever. I unplug it when I go to bed and while I'm at work just because I know I won't be able to use it. If you wanted to you could leave it running 24/7 though thanks to the latest core.

 

[scottio19]

sweet. and my bad for spreading false info

The classic log vape companies need to really step their game up if they want to compete with the new log vape companies! I have had my eyes on TV's and Underdog's logs because they seem to be evolving at a faster pace than the established log vaporizers on the market (though some CRZ fans would disagree). I feel like more log makers is a good thing, because competition sparks innovation or whatever the saying is.

 

[THCMuscle]

Do the UD's have any chance of charring? Are they insulated? Those twigs are sweeeet! What's the heat up time?

 

[underdog]

Looks like it's already been covered but just to confirm, all pieces with the revised core are now officially ok'd for 24/7 operation. Occasionally with certain pieces I might recommend differently but that will be rare special occasions.

In relation to other log type vapes I can't make direct comparison since I haven't really used (or even seen any first hand) any of the other guys pieces. I will say though that from what I've heard they all work great and are all a step up from the classic PD type log in terms of core performance and features.

I saw in another thread recently someone wondering about the UD compared to others and saying that they thought it might run hotter but that's not the case. The UD uses the same heating element, same voltage and generates the same amount of heat as a PD does. It's more potent because of a much more highly refined core design that much more effectively and efficiently transfers heat to where it's needed most. Rick will surely correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the CRZs are in the same boat and are providing increased performance because of a improved core design, not because of increased power.

The UD core is by design insulated internally to reduce the heat directly transmitted to the wooden body, not eliminate but reduce.. In most woods and at recommended operating voltage there shouldn't be any significant charring. The air path is closed so super-heated air or vapor doesn't come in contact with the wood on the UDs, I believe this is also the case with Zaps.

 

[darkrom]

sweet. and my bad for spreading false info

The classic log vape companies need to really step their game up if they want to compete with the new log vape companies! I have had my eyes on TV's and Underdog's logs because they seem to be evolving at a faster pace than the established log vaporizers on the market (though some CRZ fans would disagree). I feel like more log makers is a good thing, because competition sparks innovation or whatever the saying is.

I hope you get a chance to try out an underdog. If you are on the verge of getting a log vape soon I'd recomend you snag one of the lost dogs at the very good price while they are available. The price is good enough that I'd pick up a second, but I already have Dave working on something custom for my second dog.

 

[underdog]

To clarify my previous statement I meant I hadn't tried out or seen any of the latest generation 'log' vapes which is what the conversation was about.

I do have an old PD sitting around and I do have a (non HI) Toast Tower that I got in trade with Alan that I have yet to review but will one of these days I swear!. I've never used or seen a Zap of any vintage but have heard good things about them.

 

[OhTheAgony]

Just a thought, but would it be an idea to have your glassblower make glass stems including a bowl that just slides over the Dogs heater cover? Perhaps with a build in glass screen or with a ridge (or several, for bowl-size variation) that keeps a metal screen in place like in a DBV or SSV wand? It could be to fragile to work in rl, but if not it would be pretty awesome imo.

 

[underdog]

Just a thought, but would it be an idea to have your glassblower make glass stems including a bowl that just slides over the Dogs heater cover? Perhaps with a build in glass screen or with a ridge (or several, for bowl-size variation) that keeps a metal screen in place like in a DBV or SSV wand? It could be to fragile to work in rl, but if not it would be pretty awesome imo.

We worked on just that for a while and had many many problems.. loss of suction, breakage, the glass getting hot.. you name it and it went wrong. After all that I think we'll be sticking with silicone for the time being.

 

[underdog]

Just hooked Tiny up to the new power supply that Dave is using with his pieces and all I can say is WOW! Noticeable thicker clouds from earlier today with the original power supply. Anybody else having these results with the new power supply?

Just noticed this post, guess I missed it before somehow. Glad to see someone else has noticed the difference too..

From now on I think these power supplies will be the standard that is shipped with all UDs. They're much bigger and heavier unfortunately but they provide better, more consistent power to the vape which is what really matters in the end.

Thanks for the feedback (and for noticing) Gonzo!

 

[THCMuscle]

Got my trigger finger ready for the up coming twigs!

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

Hey Dave, i shared with you via e-mail before time that my core has goot looser.. I thought that is a normal thing beacause of heat stress to the wood.. BTW it wasnt very loose but it was making sound if i shake the dog.. till today.. I accidently dropped it off for second time since i got it from about 50 cm high and it stopped making that sound when i shake it.,, Somehow it got on place or tightend somehow, i used to be able to lighty move the core with the index of my finger.. now it is sturdy on its place as the day i got it..
Lucky fall !

 

[underdog]

Hey Dave, i shared with you via e-mail before time that my core has goot looser.. I thought that is a normal thing beacause of heat stress to the wood.. BTW it wasnt very loose but it was making sound if i shake the dog.. till today.. I accidently dropped it off for second time since i got it from about 50 cm high and it stopped making that sound when i shake it.,, Somehow it got on place or tightend somehow, i used to be able to lighty move the core with the index of my finger.. now it is sturdy on its place as the day i got it..
Lucky fall !

Nice! That's one way of making repairs that I haven't tried lol..

 

[SirElton]

I never had a chance at the contest, but congrats to the winners all the same. I wanted to chime in with something I've found. I've been wondering the best way to use all the ABV I've saved up. I thought about edibles, swampwater, and even pondered smoking it (passing madness, I assure you). After looking at the color, I noticed some of it was rather light to I decided to simply revape it. After the first run with the RockZap yielded poor results, I tried again with the Underdog. CLOUD! The airflow of the Dog is awesome for revaping ABV and I've been getting medicated for a few days on nothing but ABV. The silicone stems allow great suction to pull the heat all the way through and get that sweet vapor.

I highly recommend revaping your ABV if you are out or trying to conserve. You'll be surprised by how good you can feel after 3 or 4 stems. I usually only get one hit per stem, but that's expected. The feeling obviously isn't as euphoric and definitely more of a body/stone because of the main usage of CBD/CBN instead of THC. Anyway, I thought I'd just bring this to light. The UD is great for revaping ABV.

Happy 2012 yall.

 

[darkrom]

I've always been disgusted at the idea of re-vaping, but if it really is more of a CBD/CBN high I may consider it some night out of morbid curiosity. Still seems gross

 

[underdog]

I've always been disgusted at the idea of re-vaping, but if it really is more of a CBD/CBN high I may consider it some night out of morbid curiosity. Still seems gross

I occasionally hit the ABV jar for a quick 1-2 puff stem.. never seemed too gross though it doesn't have the good taste of a fresh one for sure. I wonder at what temp cooties vape out?