UK CBD concentrate myth?
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sativasam
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I often get high in the day out of habit, or because I like the taste. Or often just to level out my cloudy head from the night before. I want to break this cycle.
I have used hash as a day time functional smoke for longer than I can remember. So believe me I've tried that. Hash is milder than weed somewhat but actually hash is a concentrate (and my hash is top tier) and will get you STONED. Small amounts or not. I don't want THC all the time, that is a decision I have made. Until I have separated CBD from THC how do I know if it's even the THC that I crave??? Who's to say what "the good stuff" as you put it, actually is?
I know what I want for daytime. And thats something that tastes nice, makes me relaxed, but not stoned; and that I can puff on regularly. If I could get Avidekel 0% THC bud that would be ideal. But I can't. And as I have stated above, as of yet I am enjoying the effect of the CBD! It is not a compromise!!!
Hash is in no way a replacement for medicinal CBD weed/products. To suggest so is ridiculous.
I must have self control yes this is true.So do you drink non-alcoholic beer for the same reason
Alcoholics might drink non-alcoholic beer for the same reason. I wouldn't know as I am not an alcoholic. I am a pot head. Please don't mock me.
Edit: And by the way Cannabis with no THC still has 'effects' where as non-alcoholic beer has no effects, so it is not a fair comparison.
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1DMF
Old School Cheesy Quaver
come on @sativasam, I aint mocking you, it was a friendly jibe, this is FC not stack overflow!
I hope no smack heads were offended by your comment
My mum is currently using LoveCBD oil as an attempt to manage pain relief, but won't use dope because she hates the feeling of being stoned (THC affects not enjoyable).
So I am following your quest with interest and hope you post back when you have found your holy grail, as I may be hitting you up for some if you perfect it.
Sorry if you felt I was having a dig, it was simply meant to be friendly banter, please accept my apologies.
You can take that tin foil hat off when on FC, we're a nice bunch really
I hope no smack heads were offended by your comment
My mum is currently using LoveCBD oil as an attempt to manage pain relief, but won't use dope because she hates the feeling of being stoned (THC affects not enjoyable).
So I am following your quest with interest and hope you post back when you have found your holy grail, as I may be hitting you up for some if you perfect it.
Sorry if you felt I was having a dig, it was simply meant to be friendly banter, please accept my apologies.
You can take that tin foil hat off when on FC, we're a nice bunch really
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sativasam
NO SMOKING
Thanks @1DMF I can be a bit sensitive at times, and I am grateful for your response.
How does your mother consume the LoveCBD oil? And if you don;t mind me asking what is the pain she is trying to treat? And how well does it work for her?
My mum suffers from extreme anxiety to the point that she has woken up in the middle of the night, every night, for more than a decade. She is interested in trying some CBD products as a sleep or anti-anxiety aid.
How does your mother consume the LoveCBD oil? And if you don;t mind me asking what is the pain she is trying to treat? And how well does it work for her?
My mum suffers from extreme anxiety to the point that she has woken up in the middle of the night, every night, for more than a decade. She is interested in trying some CBD products as a sleep or anti-anxiety aid.
1DMF
Old School Cheesy Quaver
No worries, we all get the wrong end of the stick from time to time, after all we are all pot heads
My mum uses the tincture (tastes like shit apparently), but to no affect.
Though she was put on other medication due to chest infection, so stopped taking it as she was concerned with potential interaction side effect, so is going to start again after the other medication has finished. Especially as it cost £50.00 for the bottle.
So far it hasn't been effective for her, she has nerve damage in her neck, they believe the vertebrae in the neck had been crushing the nerves for years and had an operation to put metal plates in her neck to open up the vertebrae and relive the nerves, but although the op was successful (10% chance of being paralysed from the neck down for the rest of her life!), the pain persists, which the docs say is permanent nerve damage.
She says the pain can be so bad some days, she has considered having an operation to cut the nerves in her arm, making the arm totally useless, but hopefully pain free, very drastic indeed!
It was made worse when she had Chemo therapy due to lymphoma, one of the nerve agents in the concoction attacked the metal plates in her neck and nearly pushed her over the edge for a plane ticket to Switzerland!
I'm hoping once she starts the CBD oil again, she will receive some pain relief, but currently it's not been working.
That's why your thread caught my attention, as the holy grail in full cannabis benefits without the buzz, is what I seek for my Mum in a desperate attempt to relieve her pain.
She unfortunately like me doesn't get on with pharmaceutical pain killers, they don't work, they just make us feel ill and the pain persists.
My mum uses the tincture (tastes like shit apparently), but to no affect.
Though she was put on other medication due to chest infection, so stopped taking it as she was concerned with potential interaction side effect, so is going to start again after the other medication has finished. Especially as it cost £50.00 for the bottle.
So far it hasn't been effective for her, she has nerve damage in her neck, they believe the vertebrae in the neck had been crushing the nerves for years and had an operation to put metal plates in her neck to open up the vertebrae and relive the nerves, but although the op was successful (10% chance of being paralysed from the neck down for the rest of her life!), the pain persists, which the docs say is permanent nerve damage.
She says the pain can be so bad some days, she has considered having an operation to cut the nerves in her arm, making the arm totally useless, but hopefully pain free, very drastic indeed!
It was made worse when she had Chemo therapy due to lymphoma, one of the nerve agents in the concoction attacked the metal plates in her neck and nearly pushed her over the edge for a plane ticket to Switzerland!
I'm hoping once she starts the CBD oil again, she will receive some pain relief, but currently it's not been working.
That's why your thread caught my attention, as the holy grail in full cannabis benefits without the buzz, is what I seek for my Mum in a desperate attempt to relieve her pain.
She unfortunately like me doesn't get on with pharmaceutical pain killers, they don't work, they just make us feel ill and the pain persists.
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kellya86
Herb gardener...
I didn't suggest that.
You didn't meniton it was for medicinal purposes, I thought the point was to cut down your consumption.
And I hardly think it's ridiculous, maybe you shouldn't knock people's suggestions that were only trying to help you..before you changed your needs ...
Maybe you can explain why this would be so 'ridiculous',
Now I'm offended..
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sativasam
NO SMOKING
Because Hash actually contains high amounts of THC not low amounts. It is not a viable low THC, high CBD alternative. If it were then people would use it as such.
I apologise for being rude. You were just trying to help and I am thankful for your contribution. I shouldn't be so brash. I just think you were missing the point. Not the other way around.
peterpiper
(peter-ex-piper)
I always believed that as hash is compressed this turns some of the thc into cbd/cbn
But what do I know
But what do I know
sativasam
NO SMOKING
Yes i know you are talking about traditional hash. Yes generally lower in THC than high THC bud. But still famous for making people stoned. Shall I whip out my THC testing kit and test all the hash I can find in the UK??? Hash that has very very low THC content will be impure. Clean hash will have higher levels of THC. I do not consume impure hash. Hash is made by extracting the THC and resin glands into a concentrate; meaning less plant matter and more THC per ratio of material than the original plant it was made from.
Either way wrong or right, I thank you for your input, but I really don't want to talk about hash anymore as the thread is being derailed.
sativasam
NO SMOKING
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope things get easier for her as soon as possible.No worries, we all get the wrong end of the stick from time to time, after all we are all pot heads
My mum uses the tincture (tastes like shit apparently), but to no affect.
Though she was put on other medication due to chest infection, so stopped taking it as she was concerned with potential interaction side effect, so is going to start again after the other medication has finished. Especially as it cost £50.00 for the bottle.
So far it hasn't been effective for her, she has nerve damage in her neck, they believe the vertebrae in the neck had been crushing the nerves for years and had an operation to put metal plates in her neck to open up the vertebrae and relive the nerves, but although the op was successful (10% chance of being paralysed from the neck down for the rest of her life!), the pain persists, which the docs say is permanent nerve damage.
She says the pain can be so bad some days, she has considered having an operation to cut the nerves in her arm, making the arm totally useless, but hopefully pain free, very drastic indeed!
It was made worse when she had Chemo therapy due to lymphoma, one of the nerve agents in the concoction attacked the metal plates in her neck and nearly pushed her over the edge for a plane ticket to Switzerland!
I'm hoping once she starts the CBD oil again, she will receive some pain relief, but currently it's not been working.
That's why your thread caught my attention, as the holy grail in full cannabis benefits without the buzz, is what I seek for my Mum in a desperate attempt to relieve her pain.
She unfortunately like me doesn't get on with pharmaceutical pain killers, they don't work, they just make us feel ill and the pain persists.
You said she gets no real pain relief from CBD but does she also feel zero effects? The juice I have is only 10mg per 100ml and with just a few puffs I get a warm heavy feeling across the top of my back, forearms and head. I wouldn't think this would be great at giving pain relief in comparison to Ibuprofen, but I ask to see if the CBD oil your mum is using actually works at all. Is it brown or golden in colour? Also what strength?
420engineer
Well-Known Member
the hash I make is my 'weekend stuff' as it is very potent, like a concentrated version of the bud, and that is from Indica or sativa plants, it makes no difference, they represent the plant they come from 
peterpiper
(peter-ex-piper)
Never had enough of hash
salivape
Well-Known Member
Have you considered vaping hemp flowers? https://www.cbdoilsuk.com/product/trompetol-cbd-rich-female-hemp-flowers/
I can't imagine it would taste very nice as is, but maybe with some terpenes or something else to improve the flavour it could be a winner?
e2a: I have no idea of the reliability of that source I just googled for a seller
I can't imagine it would taste very nice as is, but maybe with some terpenes or something else to improve the flavour it could be a winner?
e2a: I have no idea of the reliability of that source I just googled for a seller
sativasam
NO SMOKING
Thanks for pointing that out. Very interesting to say the least. I would hope to use a ratio of terpenes that does not make one sweat and feel high, but simply adds enough flavour to make the vaping pleasurable. Maybe this is not possible, I do not know. I will bare it in mind. I can't imagine though that the high from terpenes is going to be comparable to the THC high, but maybe I'll learn the hard way/fun way.
I had thought of it. Will taste like cabbage but maybe nicer with some terps as you say. There are so many seeds and stalks to get through, and low levels of CBD when compared to concentrate that I don't think it's worth the money or time.
Edit: But still worth a try maybe
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salivape
Well-Known Member
@sativasam I completely agree but couldn't see it mentioned so thought I'd point it out. The flowers on google look fairly OK (for hemp) but have you ever had a take away burger that looks like it did on the menu? Me neither. The CBD crystals are definitely the way forward imo. It's something I'm interested in for sure.
sativasam
NO SMOKING
I can't imagine it's going to get much better than the hemp extracted CBD crystals anytime soon. UK law is unlikely to budge on it's stance on cannabis under the Tories. As the CBD in the UK is made from hemp it lacks the sexy flavour of cannabis. But I can tell you I've been using CBD Gold Lemon & Lime, with a splash of their Menthol all day, and I can feel the effects, which although mild are also pronounced. I can only describe it as heavy head feeling along with general relaxation. The CBD Gold flavours are basic and nasty tasting, and I'm surprised they can't do better in that department to be honest. I thought that 100mg CBD wouldn't be strong enough, but it is a perfect strength for what I wanted, which is day time use. Those 700mg CBD juices by Medivapour would have a whack to them for sure, and I'm not sure how pleasant it would be at that intensity. This is the first time I have tried CBD with no THC and I am really impressed. It's great to be able to feel the same body feeling I would get from cannabis, but without messing my mind up. And legally.
I'm really not into the idea of e-juice, but it seems the best way for me to use CBD if i want to have a hand to mouth ritual with some sort of flavour and without loading multiple hits. Also I'm not sure that vaping these pure CBD crystals would be what I want; assuming CBD Gold uses pure CBD crystals to make their product, and seeing as the strength of the CBD Gold is 100mg of CBD in 10ml of juice - if i vaped 100mg of straight crystal in my Mighty that would be like a whole bottle of CBD Gold in one hit. Seems a bit strong to me. I have taken countless hits of the CBD Gold today; I'll estimate 100 draws. Splitting 100mg of CBD crystal into small enough amounts doesn't seem practical. I may be wrong about the strength of the crystal and how CBD Gold make their product but that is my assumption.
1DMF
Old School Cheesy Quaver
@sativasam This is what my mum has http://www.lovecbd.org/product/8-love-cbd-oil-10ml/
I've emailed my mum for details of how it affects her if at all and will come back when I have some info.
Edit: also you might want to look at this : https://medipen.co/
I've emailed my mum for details of how it affects her if at all and will come back when I have some info.
Edit: also you might want to look at this : https://medipen.co/
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Just wanted to post to let you know the mg ratings are per ml of liquid, just like ejuice.
So your 10 ml bottle will contain 1000mg or 1 gram of cbd
sativasam
NO SMOKING
Thank you! Seems quite cost effective if it is a gram of the 99% crystal inside.
I've found this which looks very promising and is UK based. If they are telling the truth their product should have a nice taste compared to hemp based products... "We use extracted CBD from high level CBD female cannabis plants and only the buds/flowers are used for the best quality..... Made of the best dutch high CBD strains (Only the buds/flowers are used for highest quality oil). Unlike mass production...The plants that are used for our oil have received NO chemicals to grow. No added chemical taste compounds, No alcohol leftovers, No butane or glycerine used, our oil is pure organic. " https://cbdbrothers.com/
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sativasam
NO SMOKING
I'm not sure what I believe in terms of CBD Brothers claims of their product not being hemp. Seems more unlikely, than likely.
This is part of the disclaimer from the CBD Brothers Amazon shop....
So seeing as they themselves say not to rely on the info on their website then I probably shouldn't.
On their website all the tincture oil products have this image along with the image of the product....
Note that in their analysis, it uses the word HEMP, not cannabis. And the image on the analysis shows the dark oil paste, not the oil from the tincture, which is a thin liquid golden colour liquid as seen below.
Nothing matches up.
Before I found this info I ordered a gram of paste oil, so will report back with my findings. My hope is that it smells good and not like someone just mowed the lawn.
This is part of the disclaimer from the CBD Brothers Amazon shop....
So seeing as they themselves say not to rely on the info on their website then I probably shouldn't.
On their website all the tincture oil products have this image along with the image of the product....
Note that in their analysis, it uses the word HEMP, not cannabis. And the image on the analysis shows the dark oil paste, not the oil from the tincture, which is a thin liquid golden colour liquid as seen below.
Nothing matches up.
Before I found this info I ordered a gram of paste oil, so will report back with my findings. My hope is that it smells good and not like someone just mowed the lawn.
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sativasam
NO SMOKING
Affordable CBD THC home testing kit by Alpha-Cat (The same company/product CBD Brothers have supposedly used for their analysis). Might come in handy one day!
http://www.alpha-cat.org/shop/test-kits/mini-kit/
http://www.alpha-cat.org/shop/test-kits/mini-kit/
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sativasam
NO SMOKING
Excuse the excessive amount of writing but here is my update after much time spent scouring the net looking at every CBD product I can find. The world of legal CBD's is made ever more confusing by the way in which these companies have multiple online stores/faces/labels (not just stockists) otherwise known as 'umbrella' companies. And this is a kind of summary of my findings.
As @herbivore21 informed me on another thread, to create a CBD e-liquid that is smooth in consistency (unlike Medivapour that looks gunky) the CBD crystals would need to be melted using some sort of solvent. Near all the CBD e-liquid companies fail to mention how they manage to do this. Such as CBD Gold. The CBD Gold e-liquid I have been using has such a fake sickly flavour it is unbearable. Yes the CBD works, but the flavour is bad enough to make you not use their product at all. So I was looking for an alternative. Then I found this company called Enecta who make CBD e-liquid called Ambrosia; and it seems a bit more ethical - http://www.enecta.com/products/ambrosia_cbd_eliquid?variant=1005535887
Enecta, as well as having the honesty to list ethanol as one of the ingredients (this will be the solvent used to melt CBD crystals), also use natural and organic flavourings. Enecta is linked to Endoca, one of the more prominent and trustworthy looking CBD companies online. Enecta is also co-owned by a company called Grasscompany - https://www.grasscompany.com/en/cbd-oil/ - On Endoca's website it only sells very expensive 10gram tubes of its hemp paste, but on Grasscompany you can purchase affordable 1gram Endoca pots of the same paste! Slightly confusing as to why they have split everything up in this way.
I ordered two pots of Enectar Ambrosia e-liquid in Marihuana flavour and also Peach Tea, both 100mg CBD. It came this morning and it tastes soooo much better than CBD Gold's disgusting flavourings. Very happy with it. The Marihuana flavour doesn't taste like weed, but it isn't sickly sweet at all! And is soooo much more pleasant and clean to vape because of this. So a thumbs up from me for Enectar. I ordered the Ambrosia through https://www.cbdoilsuk.com/ who are the only UK stockist I could find that seemed to sell it, and that also seem to have a bit of quality control. All the product they sell are by companies who look like they are being honest IMO. They don't sell products such as PlusCBD Gold concentrate for example, which I would keep away from; PureCBD Gold are owned by Cannavest who were under investigation for selling dodgy products. Look up Hemp oil Hustlers for more info on them. It is clearly advisable to get trustworthy organic sources who not only test for CBD content in their product but also things like mould and heavy metals.
Alot of the other CBD E-liquid companies either have juice with nasty fake flavourings, or have juice that looks gunky and not a smooth consistency and as I mentioned earlier this is likely because they do not use ethanol; but I would also suspect that juice that is not smooth would cause problems in the vape.
I have not received my purchase from CBD Brothers yet (who clearly tried to assimilate the name of the famous Stanley brothers who developed Charlottes Webb). I probably won't even use it when it arrives as I'm not sure I have enough faith that their product is clean. Seeing as they say themselves in their disclaimer not to rely on anything they say on their own website, it seems only right that I shouldn't.
There are other high end legit looking companies such as CBDforME that are not as prominent in google search; It took me ages to come across Enectar and Grasscompany's website. I'm sure there are other good companies out there. But the way they spread themselves out over loads of different websites makes things more difficult. It is likely a way of spreading out the risk, incase a company gets in any legal troubles the others will remain. But there is also the fact that some companies are trying to give the consumer the feeling of choice by repackaging the same product under different names. Or simply buying a product in bulk, rebranding it, and upping the price.
Also both CBD Brothers and cbdoils.co.uk don't take payment directly through their website, likely because PayPal won't support them, and ask instead that you pay through direct bank transfer.
As of yet I'm unsure what is the best CBD product to vape without the use of e-liquid. Endoca's products look the most promising, but I feel the crystals will be too strong to vape undiluted. The gram of Endoca paste on Grasscompany states it is 100mg of CBD but I'm unsure if this means in total or per mg of the pastes weight. I'm going to assume it means per mg of the paste. As has been pointed out to me earlier that 100mg in terms of e-liquid means per ml of liquid. So to achieve the same effect that I get from the CBD e-liquid (functional day time effect) I would have to do very small dabs of the paste. I'm not even sure if Endoca's 'paste' is ok to vape????
Call me mad, and maybe it's a bad idea - any advice/knowledge welcome, but I was thinking of making my own 'CBD hemp hash' so to speak; inspired by 'honey bud' or 'moon rocks'. I was thinking to order Trompetol XQ organic hemp directly from their Czech website (other stockists massively inflate the price), remove all the seeds and put in the coffee grinder to turn it into powder. Then mix it with Endoca hemp paste or maybe CBDforME's oil, as a binder and add 10-15% terpenes, in the hope of creating a more flavoursome and substantial quantity of product with the right dilution for my needs. This is just a thought though. I know that it is likely that the hemp taste from the Trompetol plant and Endoca paste will be overpowering, and/or if I use CBDforME's oil then it may be to thin and not bind properly. I think Endoca's paste actually contains plant matter already. So maybe it won't be able to absorb much more plant material.
Anyway this is where I'm at. Since I have been using CBD products I have only consumed THC after 11pm, and no more than 1 or 2 bowls (down from approx 7 a day). It has not been an effort or a compromise to do so, so I am very happy and positive that I'm moving in the right direction.
Edit: Found another CBD e-liquid company that have a CBD mg intake guideline based on 2mg instake per day and brakes it down into 'per puff' of their eliquid. This clarifies some of the things I was wondering about. I wouldn't be surprised if it is Enectar under a different name as they put the ejuice bottle in a similarly designed cardboard/tube. http://www.deltaliquids.com/shop/blue-label-cbd-e-liquid/mango-cbd-e-liquid-blue-label.html
As @herbivore21 informed me on another thread, to create a CBD e-liquid that is smooth in consistency (unlike Medivapour that looks gunky) the CBD crystals would need to be melted using some sort of solvent. Near all the CBD e-liquid companies fail to mention how they manage to do this. Such as CBD Gold. The CBD Gold e-liquid I have been using has such a fake sickly flavour it is unbearable. Yes the CBD works, but the flavour is bad enough to make you not use their product at all. So I was looking for an alternative. Then I found this company called Enecta who make CBD e-liquid called Ambrosia; and it seems a bit more ethical - http://www.enecta.com/products/ambrosia_cbd_eliquid?variant=1005535887
Enecta, as well as having the honesty to list ethanol as one of the ingredients (this will be the solvent used to melt CBD crystals), also use natural and organic flavourings. Enecta is linked to Endoca, one of the more prominent and trustworthy looking CBD companies online. Enecta is also co-owned by a company called Grasscompany - https://www.grasscompany.com/en/cbd-oil/ - On Endoca's website it only sells very expensive 10gram tubes of its hemp paste, but on Grasscompany you can purchase affordable 1gram Endoca pots of the same paste! Slightly confusing as to why they have split everything up in this way.
I ordered two pots of Enectar Ambrosia e-liquid in Marihuana flavour and also Peach Tea, both 100mg CBD. It came this morning and it tastes soooo much better than CBD Gold's disgusting flavourings. Very happy with it. The Marihuana flavour doesn't taste like weed, but it isn't sickly sweet at all! And is soooo much more pleasant and clean to vape because of this. So a thumbs up from me for Enectar. I ordered the Ambrosia through https://www.cbdoilsuk.com/ who are the only UK stockist I could find that seemed to sell it, and that also seem to have a bit of quality control. All the product they sell are by companies who look like they are being honest IMO. They don't sell products such as PlusCBD Gold concentrate for example, which I would keep away from; PureCBD Gold are owned by Cannavest who were under investigation for selling dodgy products. Look up Hemp oil Hustlers for more info on them. It is clearly advisable to get trustworthy organic sources who not only test for CBD content in their product but also things like mould and heavy metals.
Alot of the other CBD E-liquid companies either have juice with nasty fake flavourings, or have juice that looks gunky and not a smooth consistency and as I mentioned earlier this is likely because they do not use ethanol; but I would also suspect that juice that is not smooth would cause problems in the vape.
I have not received my purchase from CBD Brothers yet (who clearly tried to assimilate the name of the famous Stanley brothers who developed Charlottes Webb). I probably won't even use it when it arrives as I'm not sure I have enough faith that their product is clean. Seeing as they say themselves in their disclaimer not to rely on anything they say on their own website, it seems only right that I shouldn't.
There are other high end legit looking companies such as CBDforME that are not as prominent in google search; It took me ages to come across Enectar and Grasscompany's website. I'm sure there are other good companies out there. But the way they spread themselves out over loads of different websites makes things more difficult. It is likely a way of spreading out the risk, incase a company gets in any legal troubles the others will remain. But there is also the fact that some companies are trying to give the consumer the feeling of choice by repackaging the same product under different names. Or simply buying a product in bulk, rebranding it, and upping the price.
Also both CBD Brothers and cbdoils.co.uk don't take payment directly through their website, likely because PayPal won't support them, and ask instead that you pay through direct bank transfer.
As of yet I'm unsure what is the best CBD product to vape without the use of e-liquid. Endoca's products look the most promising, but I feel the crystals will be too strong to vape undiluted. The gram of Endoca paste on Grasscompany states it is 100mg of CBD but I'm unsure if this means in total or per mg of the pastes weight. I'm going to assume it means per mg of the paste. As has been pointed out to me earlier that 100mg in terms of e-liquid means per ml of liquid. So to achieve the same effect that I get from the CBD e-liquid (functional day time effect) I would have to do very small dabs of the paste. I'm not even sure if Endoca's 'paste' is ok to vape????
Call me mad, and maybe it's a bad idea - any advice/knowledge welcome, but I was thinking of making my own 'CBD hemp hash' so to speak; inspired by 'honey bud' or 'moon rocks'. I was thinking to order Trompetol XQ organic hemp directly from their Czech website (other stockists massively inflate the price), remove all the seeds and put in the coffee grinder to turn it into powder. Then mix it with Endoca hemp paste or maybe CBDforME's oil, as a binder and add 10-15% terpenes, in the hope of creating a more flavoursome and substantial quantity of product with the right dilution for my needs. This is just a thought though. I know that it is likely that the hemp taste from the Trompetol plant and Endoca paste will be overpowering, and/or if I use CBDforME's oil then it may be to thin and not bind properly. I think Endoca's paste actually contains plant matter already. So maybe it won't be able to absorb much more plant material.
Anyway this is where I'm at. Since I have been using CBD products I have only consumed THC after 11pm, and no more than 1 or 2 bowls (down from approx 7 a day). It has not been an effort or a compromise to do so, so I am very happy and positive that I'm moving in the right direction.
Edit: Found another CBD e-liquid company that have a CBD mg intake guideline based on 2mg instake per day and brakes it down into 'per puff' of their eliquid. This clarifies some of the things I was wondering about. I wouldn't be surprised if it is Enectar under a different name as they put the ejuice bottle in a similarly designed cardboard/tube. http://www.deltaliquids.com/shop/blue-label-cbd-e-liquid/mango-cbd-e-liquid-blue-label.html
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