Tornado by Vestratto

[TigoleBitties]

I'd really like to try the Tornado on a DNA glass Vaphit stem using Scruffy's adapter, among the others I've got lined up.

https://vgoodiez.com/products/dna-glass-stem-by-vaphit?variant=44981539569981

Really can't find this guy within Canada though. Anyone know another place to source one of these?

 

[Roffa]

Does anyone happen to know if the Tornado is already available in the EU?

Not yet available, although I think Verdampftnochmal would be an ideal distributor

 

[PossumMD]

Edit: nvm.

 

[Learner]

Got the Tornado yesterday and it's very good. Proper bong hit effect from a DHV.

I need to a little tool for loading the bowl. Something with a little more to hold on to than the sneaky keychain thing.

 

[Timps27]

Got the Tornado yesterday and it's very good. Proper bong hit effect from a DHV.

I need to a little tool for loading the bowl. Something with a little more to hold on to than the sneaky keychain thing.

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[Roffa]

Got the Tornado yesterday and it's very good. Proper bong hit effect from a DHV.

I need to a little tool for loading the bowl. Something with a little more to hold on to than the sneaky keychain thing.

Tornado does well with nugs as well.

 

[spicymeatball]

Followup on Nado not fitting in my wand.

Bought some digital calipers - tornado coming in at 13.8 mm at the point that it "catches" in the wand
Wand opening coming in at 13.7

Been corresponding with sneaky pete CS and they told me that the products aren't designed to work together, so if they fit, it's just a nice coincidence, and that it's actually better to insert from the bottom.

Whether it's "better" or not, is it overly petty to just want to be able to use the products in the same manner I watched Pete use the wand/tornado on a stream that's not even a week old? Having a hands free heating option is part of why I picked the wand. I also saw John tell him in the stream that it's better to insert from the bottom, but looking online (videos, forum posts, etc) it seems like most people default to dropping it in the top, and it just feels off not being able to do what most seem to "default" to.

Need feedback on if I would be out of line for returning and asking for a replacement. In between that, returning and getting the Camouflet inductor, or holding on to it and making due till the Forge revision comes out.

 

[alex91]

Followup on Nado not fitting in my wand.

Bought some digital calipers - tornado coming in at 13.8 mm at the point that it "catches" in the wand
Wand opening coming in at 13.7

Been corresponding with sneaky pete CS and they told me that the products aren't designed to work together, so if they fit, it's just a nice coincidence, and that it's actually better to insert from the bottom.

Whether it's "better" or not, is it overly petty to just want to be able to use the products in the same manner I watched Pete use the wand/tornado on a stream that's not even a week old? Having a hands free heating option is part of why I picked the wand. I also saw John tell him in the stream that it's better to insert from the bottom, but looking online (videos, forum posts, etc) it seems like most people default to dropping it in the top, and it just feels off not being able to do what most seem to "default" to.

Need feedback on if I would be out of line for returning and asking for a replacement. In between that, returning and getting the Camouflet inductor, or holding on to it and making due till the Forge revision comes out.

I’d honestly just return it and get the Camouflet.

 

[Roffa]

Followup on Nado not fitting in my wand.

Bought some digital calipers - tornado coming in at 13.8 mm at the point that it "catches" in the wand
Wand opening coming in at 13.7

Been corresponding with sneaky pete CS and they told me that the products aren't designed to work together, so if they fit, it's just a nice coincidence, and that it's actually better to insert from the bottom.

Whether it's "better" or not, is it overly petty to just want to be able to use the products in the same manner I watched Pete use the wand/tornado on a stream that's not even a week old? Having a hands free heating option is part of why I picked the wand. I also saw John tell him in the stream that it's better to insert from the bottom, but looking online (videos, forum posts, etc) it seems like most people default to dropping it in the top, and it just feels off not being able to do what most seem to "default" to.

Need feedback on if I would be out of line for returning and asking for a replacement. In between that, returning and getting the Camouflet inductor, or holding on to it and making due till the Forge revision comes out.

I cut out a disk of 1mm thick cork and dropped that in from the bottom. I just let the tornado rest on that, this gives good results. I have a very old wand, the one still with the flower/concentrate switch and I can drop in from the top too, but for me ( I vape in bed a lot, haha) it's not that convenient.

 

[TigoleBitties]

Need feedback on if I would be out of line for returning and asking for a replacement. In between that, returning and getting the Camouflet inductor, or holding on to it and making due till the Forge revision comes out.

People have made their own inserts and holders for many devices in the Wand. Maybe consider making one out of cork or silicone that could let you heat hands-free?

Also, maybe you could heat hands-free with the Wand on its side? I always just heat freehand since the times are so short.

 

[DgN'R]

Wand opening coming in at 13.7

Hum .. have you purchased the wand recently? mine was bought in April 2024 and is the new iteration with the DynaVap silicone adapter included in the kit.

 

[Tji89]

Got the Tornado yesterday and it's very good. Proper bong hit effect from a DHV.

I need to a little tool for loading the bowl. Something with a little more to hold on to than the sneaky keychain thing.

Congrats Where did you get it ? Waiting for mine but postal strike is still on as i know of.

 

[Vapetothegrave]

Congrats Where did you get it ? Waiting for mine but postal strike is still on as i know of.

They will most likely be back to work by Mon/Tuesday. Government is sending them back to work.

 

[Tji89]

I Hope the workers got what they wanted

 

[Stoneyboy69]

I Hope the workers got what they wanted

Is it like in the US where the post office delivers medication to the elderly that can't drive?

 

[Vapetothegrave]

I Hope the workers got what they wanted

Unfortunately they got jack squat, not even what was previously offered as an increase until May 2025.

But black friday tornados were all shipped via DHL so they are unaffected. Sounds like they will be in good shape though to start the forge repair program as estimated by Vestratto Late Jan/Early Feb... but vestratto time usually means its safe to add a few weeks.

 

[Grass Yes]

I Hope the workers got what they wanted

Unfortunately this is a temporary thing because the deal is so far away. It will probably result in another strike if they can't get anything done in relations board before May. It is a really "fuck you" to the postal workers.

 

[TigoleBitties]

Just rolled a nice glob of rosin around in some ground flower and popped it into the Tornado. Milked up my glass at least 5 times and I had to tap out. I think I got most of it judging by the ABV but wow. What a ride.

 

[chlorophyll_man]

Here are some notes I've made from my (torch only) experience of using the Tornado for a few days, in no particular order:

• I've been completely closing the bowl rather than loosening 1/16 turn, but just with a feather-touch tightness and it hasn't got locked in place yet. Unscrewing the 1/16 turn I could hear fresh air entering which I felt was not how the device should work. Whether it actually matters I don't know.
• As has been previously mentioned, the click discs seemed to be a bit stiffer on the very first few heat ups. I say this because I over darkened the herb at first, but with all variables remaining the same (as far as possible) by the end of the first day the AVB was less dark. Worth taking into consideration when dialing in your preferred roast.
• With the same flame size and heating to first click, I heat in the middle of the large part of the oven (between holes and bowl) whereas with the Anvil I would need to heat a a little lower down towards the copper battery (further away from the click discs). John currently recommends heating the Vestratto lettering for a few seconds first, but I haven't been doing this. Maybe once he's experimented while using his new thermal imaging gun thing he'll confirm a recommended technique.
• I load very loosely. That means 0.05 in the Anvil full size (not the XL) bowl and now up to 0.15 in the Tornado XL. Very even AVB. I suspect that like the Anvil, a tighter pack would result in the bottom of the load being darker than the top, but I haven't tried >0.15 so I'd be interested to hear results from people loading 0.2+ etc.
• Works well for tiny 0.01 microdoses so no need to really use the Anvil now
• One heat up achieves full extraction, which was important for me.
• Same dense, hybrid, copper-core vapour as the Anvil, more bioavailable I couldn't say.
• The Madheaters Reload magnet still works fine to unscrew the hot bowl, though the bowl diameter is too large to fit flush on the magnet.

Can't think of anything else at the moment, please agree/disagree and hopefully find useful the above.

 

[Custom Flower Hardware]

 

[Cacahuates]

I finally received mine and took it for a spin.

Early conclusion - It's fantastic.
At a level of just comparing the Anvil heater with an xl bowl, the Tornado is better in every way.
I've only used off a dry pipe and a jay hook. Jayhook was great. Can't wait to try it through a stem.


First heating I disregarded the instructions and the bowl wouldn't come off until cool. Wasn't screwed on too tight either. I think flame was too big as well. Avb was very dark.

Subsequent heating was done with a smaller flame and higher up closer to the tip. Also left the bowl unsrewed. Very nice.

As expected big huge clouds. Tastey too! Smooth and satisfying. Tons of it. Great effects. Felt fluffy and silky. I think the anvil is a bit more silky with less fluff. Prefer the tornado vapour hands down.

Good versatility between a heavy hitter and something a bit above a microdoser. Don't know what the minimum pack would be.

Seems like the next evolution of Vestratto.

TLDR
I'd recommend to everyone.
Not just a big anvil.

 

[johnnyCanuck]

I finally received mine and took it for a spin.

Early conclusion - It's fantastic.
At a level of just comparing the Anvil heater with an xl bowl, the Tornado is better in every way.
I've only used off a dry pipe and a jay hook. Jayhook was great. Can't wait to try it through a stem.


First heating I disregarded the instructions and the bowl wouldn't come off until cool. Wasn't screwed on too tight either. I think flame was too big as well. Avb was very dark.

Subsequent heating was done with a smaller flame and higher up closer to the tip. Also left the bowl unsrewed. Very nice.

As expected big huge clouds. Tastey too! Smooth and satisfying. Tons of it. Great effects. Felt fluffy and silky. I think the anvil is a bit more silky with less fluff. Prefer the tornado vapour hands down.

Good versatility between a heavy hitter and something a bit above a microdoser. Don't know what the minimum pack would be.

Seems like the next evolution of Vestratto.

TLDR
I'd recommend to everyone.
Not just a big anvil.

Paired with the wand, there is no minimum pack.

 

[CreatureGlass]

Yeah, I want the best possible battery. I can ship it to my forwarder in Cali, I guess. Damn, now I really don't want the extra forge. It's only Milwaky other brands like Stanley or Bosch don't use the same platform? Searching now. Is there any way to see what the forge will look like with the biggest battery in it? What is John using in his videos? That looks like a nice size, but I really like the convenience of as much as I can get. What is better two smaller ones or the biggest for form factor?

Wow that's one nice selection.

I would recommend 2 3ah ones so you can have one charging / ready to go. If you get one big one you will have downtime charging, or get all 3 like me

Yeah one goal Vestratto have is to replace the flame with induction. John mentioned in the interview he wants to try get his products medically certified and he believes that it will be easier to do that if induction is the heating technique.

The secondary gasifier looks to be the bread and butter of the tornado and the primary goal of the tornado seems to be maximizing the efficiency of the extraction to get you as high as possible off a small amount of herb.

Yeah pretty much, as far as I understand anyway. I think the idea is you produce vapour in your hot oven and then pass it through a another hot section where the particles will get thrashed around and brake apart. John is calling this part a "secondary gasifier" I'm not sure if I'd called it a condenser because I think they're meant to help cool the vapour down by some thermodynamic magic where as this gasifier is like meant to be like a 2nd oven.

I could be very wrong here but by more excited I rhink he meant the atoms of the vapour get more energy after being turned into steam in the 1st oven . So although they will bounce around alot more as they're more energetic I think it's the heat and lower pressure that gives them the energy to go into the next phase or break apart into smaller particles in the secondary oven. I presume this is achieved by the 2nd oven being able to conduct a high enough temperature and produce enough of a pressure difference to make it all work as it should. So presume the pressure difference is caused by a smaller inlet than outlet and enough heat by using the right material to get it into that oven quick enough to do it's job. Like I say I'm guessing here so I may be wrong track but from my limited understanding of phases that would be my guess as to how it's doing what's claimed.

In case anyone forgot, these particle size modification claims were already made 2 years ago with the original Anvil…

(See quoted post below)

This is exactly how carb caps work. They work so I get the physics behind it but does it actually work. I don't know but science says it should. I presume the Anvil just has a smaller inlet than outlet to create the lower pressure area underneath the inlet.

In case anyone forgot, these particle size modification claims were already made 2 years ago with the original Anvil…

(See quoted post below)

Reading about gasification I'm getting confused about how it relates to dry herb vaporizing. Everything I can find describes gasification as a technique to pull hydro-carbons out of raw materials like coal into a gas called syngas. The only hydrocarbons I see referenced are carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, hydrogen gas and methane. If we were actually gasifying the herb does that not mean we would be pulling all the cannabinoids out, turning them into harmful hydrocarbons and inhaling this syngas? I thought THC was meant to start degrading above 200C surely no cannabinoid would survive 700C unless you're doing something crazy with the air pressure?

To me it kind of seems like gasification is being used as a marketing buzzword to make it seem like the wheel has been re-invented. I still have faith the tornado will be a great vape but curious to see how different it will really be to the Anvil.

It's how it's gasified i suppose. Although temperature and pressures will differ

The terminology used with all of this is definitely marketing and "bro science," but I will say that several makers here have made impressive devices. I don't believe there is gassification going on here, but there are things happening with vaporization that we don't quite get yet and I am excited to see what comes next.

Reading about gasification I'm getting confused about how it relates to dry herb vaporizing. Everything I can find describes gasification as a technique to pull hydro-carbons out of raw materials like coal into a gas called syngas. The only hydrocarbons I see referenced are carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, hydrogen gas and methane. If we were actually gasifying the herb does that not mean we would be pulling all the cannabinoids out, turning them into harmful hydrocarbons and inhaling this syngas? I thought THC was meant to start degrading above 200C surely no cannabinoid would survive 700C unless you're doing something crazy with the air pressure?

To me it kind of seems like gasification is being used as a marketing buzzword to make it seem like the wheel has been re-invented. I still have faith the tornado will be a great vape but curious to see how different it will really be to the Anvil.

they're using a similar process but different temperatures and pressures in the hope it gives the atoms enough energy to gassify or make the vapour particles smaller. So they go deeper into the lungs and provide a more efficient extraction. I don't know whether it works but the physics kind of make sense.

 

[David Root]

My thoughts on the vapor thing.

A carb cap works because it lowers the pressure thus lowering the boiling point of the vapor. RELEASING the vapor at a slightly lower tempriture.

Using a liquid and the word atomization, it needs to pass throught a small orfice at a high pressure. Thinking of fuel injecton. 60 to 150 psi.

Using Vapor, the orfice would have to be soo small we could not draw through it.

Its all the same stuff coming out of the bowl. Big chuncks or little, I can't see how they get changed unless its a true ventrui or incredibly small orfice.

I mentioned earlier, keeping the vapor hot will help keep it from condensing on anything and gets more to the end user.

So I don't doubt the tornado, but I question the vapor thing.

Since its a 427*f vapor, isn't it already atomized? Isn't that how it finds it way out of the herb?

David

 

[hotmeals]

Using Vapor, the orfice would have to be soo small we could not draw through it.

How do you know? What is this statement based on?