Tornado by Vestratto

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My thoughts on the vapor thing.

A carb cap works because it lowers the pressure thus lowering the boiling point of the vapor. RELEASING the vapor at a slightly lower tempriture.

Using a liquid and the word atomization, it needs to pass throught a small orfice at a high pressure. Thinking of fuel injecton. 60 to 150 psi.

Using Vapor, the orfice would have to be soo small we could not draw through it.

Its all the same stuff coming out of the bowl. Big chuncks or little, I can't see how they get changed unless its a true ventrui or incredibly small orfice.

I mentioned earlier, keeping the vapor hot will help keep it from condensing on anything and gets more to the end user.

So I don't doubt the tornado, but I question the vapor thing.

Since its a 427*f vapor, isn't it already atomized? Isn't that how it finds it way out of the herb?

David

I don't know if the secondary atomiser is functioning as advertised. I have doubts also. However it seems beyond doubt that something in this design is creating smooth vapour. In lieu of other explanations, a functioning atomiser is the best we have.

I think increased potency is a difficult one to gauge, because of the very large bowl. Also because the Anvil is very potent itself. There is always a honeymoon effect with new vapes where they get us more wrecked than usual. Increased potency could be explained by the larger bowl, and better extraction.

 

[DarkRoast]

Here are some notes I've made from my (torch only) experience of using the Tornado for a few days, in no particular order:

• I've been completely closing the bowl rather than loosening 1/16 turn, but just with a feather-touch tightness and it hasn't got locked in place yet. Unscrewing the 1/16 turn I could hear fresh air entering which I felt was not how the device should work. Whether it actually matters I don't know.
• As has been previously mentioned, the click discs seemed to be a bit stiffer on the very first few heat ups. I say this because I over darkened the herb at first, but with all variables remaining the same (as far as possible) by the end of the first day the AVB was less dark. Worth taking into consideration when dialing in your preferred roast.
• With the same flame size and heating to first click, I heat in the middle of the large part of the oven (between holes and bowl) whereas with the Anvil I would need to heat a a little lower down towards the copper battery (further away from the click discs). John currently recommends heating the Vestratto lettering for a few seconds first, but I haven't been doing this. Maybe once he's experimented while using his new thermal imaging gun thing he'll confirm a recommended technique.
• I load very loosely. That means 0.05 in the Anvil full size (not the XL) bowl and now up to 0.15 in the Tornado XL. Very even AVB. I suspect that like the Anvil, a tighter pack would result in the bottom of the load being darker than the top, but I haven't tried >0.15 so I'd be interested to hear results from people loading 0.2+ etc.
• Works well for tiny 0.01 microdoses so no need to really use the Anvil now
• One heat up achieves full extraction, which was important for me.
• Same dense, hybrid, copper-core vapour as the Anvil, more bioavailable I couldn't say.
• The Madheaters Reload magnet still works fine to unscrew the hot bowl, though the bowl diameter is too large to fit flush on the magnet.

Can't think of anything else at the moment, please agree/disagree and hopefully find useful the above.

@chlorophyll_man Thanks a ton! I found my thermal discs didn't work great and I actually combusted twice. After several heatings I actually realized there are two discs (it seemed only one was clicking at first). Appreciate your write up here!!!

 

[TigoleBitties]

Bought myself an aluminum pipe with a glass lined interior to have something portable and unbreakable for the Tornado.

https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/1799048972/metal-hammer-pipe-with-glass-smoking

Scruffy's adapters still held up by the postal strike although they were recently legislated back. Nothing yet.

I took a chance on the pipe as I didn't know the exact dimensions but it was not expensive and looked to be workable. The bowl wasn't wide enough to use the WPA adapter so right now I'm using a silicone master adapter from SneakyPete and it seems snug. I removed the small glass bowl and now the SneakyPete adapter fits flush and I can use the Tornado without removing the WPA. Cooling works well so far.

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Edit: Uploaded a better pic that also shows a carb on the side which is a really nice feature. Because the stem and pipe head can unscrew, the whole thing could be really compact in a case with the Wand. I'm liking this for a travel setup.

 

[Duba]

Bought myself an aluminum pipe with a glass lined interior to have something portable and unbreakable for the Tornado.

https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/1799048972/metal-hammer-pipe-with-glass-smoking

Scruffy's adapters still held up by the postal strike although they were recently legislated back. Nothing yet.

I had a similar one from long time and i asked a friend to make a me wood 14mm adapter and it works like a charm now. I also changed the stem to one with picots (the classic glass dynavap stems, also used in the Fw7, fit very well). I love it!

https://imgur.com/a/zB3CQMX

I love using the Anvil and the Tornado natively, the Tornado is very sweet given the amount of vapor it produces. The Anvil is a little harder on the throat, but I still love it, it's got character.