stonedBBer
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Can't say for certain as I've used an inductor and wand and torch, not the forge YET, but the quicker heat up time means less terpene get boiled/vaporized away as it's heating up .
Also closer to one hit extraction
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Also closer to one hit extraction
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
It sounds that way. I remember asking a bit earlier in this thread about why the experience with a big torch or powerful IH would be better than the Wand. I'm super happy with the taste and the control I get from the Wand so I was really curious to know what I could be missing out on.
I think it was @Roffa (don't remember who exactly) that was saying that when you "flash-cook" the Tornado in 3 sec with the Inductor, the signature was really great. I suppose this rapid heating really preserves terps and biases convection since conduction doesn't have enough time to contribute in a meaningful way. I also remember reading that most people found using the Forge or a bigger, more powerful torch led to better hits as well. I imagine you could bias conduction by doing the opposite and heating the Tornado as slowly and gently as possible.
You still get a lot of control with the Wand but you can't really "flash cook" the Tornado with it because it's simply not powerful enough to heat from cold that quickly. Although I think 23sec is still really respectable for a large TED. I'm happy with my Wand for now but the Inductor is on my list as a future general purchase so I'll give it a shot one day.
Cheebsy
Microbe minion
Thanks man. I appreciate your insight.
I really love convection dominant vapes, but I want a satisfying conduction experience that I'm still yet to find. The vapman comes closest so far, but it's still not something I reach for instinctively. I have to mindfully pick it up and use it, and it is great, I just haven't fallen for it...
I don't have an IH and whilst I do find them tempting, I don't use the pen style of vape often enough to justify the costs. I've got plenty of different torches of direct sizes that should cover all bases though.
One is on the way, and a scruffy adapter, so I guess I'll find out for myself soon enough.
I really love convection dominant vapes, but I want a satisfying conduction experience that I'm still yet to find. The vapman comes closest so far, but it's still not something I reach for instinctively. I have to mindfully pick it up and use it, and it is great, I just haven't fallen for it...
I don't have an IH and whilst I do find them tempting, I don't use the pen style of vape often enough to justify the costs. I've got plenty of different torches of direct sizes that should cover all bases though.
One is on the way, and a scruffy adapter, so I guess I'll find out for myself soon enough.
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
I think you're in for a treat. When I got the Tornado I remember thinking the signature wasn't really like any other vape I've tried. You get this powerful, thick vapor that you'd ordinarily associate with overheating and expect it to be acrid, but if you ride the line just right you get these brilliant strong terpy flavors instead.
And that's just with the Wand. A nice strong torch should do you fine.
hotmeals
Serial vapist
An update on this: I tried freshly charged batteries and am no longer having this problem so far. Still haven't tried the Tornado with it, though. I'm going to find settings I like for the Anvil first and use that as a starting point.
I'm based in the UK but I've sent many to the EU.
Rainbow and Rasta
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This worked very well let it sit in the freezer for 10 or 15 minutes and then I took it out it had already released
Oden
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I also prefer convection.
And I've often had bad experiences with hybrid vapes... or very high conduction ones.
Not with nado.
It has become my favorite vape signature!
Of course I recommend using it in the evening
With the Forge, my tornado became a different type of racehorse.
Simply the best.
But I really liked the period when I used it with my Honest lighter.
And I would prefer my nado with a torch, than with the Wand most of the time.
With the wand I have too much conduction throughout the metal, so the bowl heats up too much, the vape is different.. (not bad)
but I am better able to dose and manage this phenomenon with lighters.
Then since everything heats up, I noticed that the stems also became much hotter (for the metallic ones)
So yeah you will really like it in my opinion using the nado with your many torches
What settings are you finding the best results with? I’m using 5360 J and 100% on CASCADE. I get a double click on the first roast and I can still go 2 more roasts without combusting.
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
Ever had this conversation with yourself before sucking down a Tornado bowl at 1:30am 
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I abhor using this device with the wand. It just doesn't have the power. The herb is definitely cooking off in the bowl. There is a huge discrepancy in taste and effects compared to using the torch.
I'm not too bothered really. I'm more than happy to use a torch. Just thought I would chime in. I can see why people promote the more powerful IH devices. It's nice that the wand is an option, but it doesn't feel optimal at all to me.
I'm not too bothered really. I'm more than happy to use a torch. Just thought I would chime in. I can see why people promote the more powerful IH devices. It's nice that the wand is an option, but it doesn't feel optimal at all to me.
Comfortably Numb
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I have 2 Wands. I do not use them for my Anvil or the Tornado. I don't have a problem heating the Tornado with the Wand . Honestly you could probably heat it with a candle . There are a few that need induction heating because they are unable to use a torch and The Wand will heat it.
I would love to have a Forge. The cascade setting is something I would use because I almost always reheat my torch devices. I just don't have the money. Does anybody want to buy a couple of Anvils? LOL I mean its a $500 induction heater unless you already use Milwaukee tools.
I would love to have a Forge. The cascade setting is something I would use because I almost always reheat my torch devices. I just don't have the money. Does anybody want to buy a couple of Anvils? LOL I mean its a $500 induction heater unless you already use Milwaukee tools.
Oden
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Right now I'm hitting my nado in one shot.
At 5300J 100% power, with 62% RH flower
But with the Forge you get a wider range of adjustments which makes this thing more versatile! I get crazy flavors between 3700J and 4200J.
I'm always tweaking things.
But I've never had so much fun, and I've never loved a vape as much as the nado + forge combination.
someTooL
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4200 at 95% has been my sweet spot with Cascade mode. 1 click, then after 2nd heating 2nd click. Usually pull 3-4 DEEP hits this way. When I reheat (cascade), ~750 joules have built up for next heating.
alex91
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This is for v2, right?
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What kind of roast are you getting from 5300J/100%? My V2 Forge is in transit and trying to figure out a good starting point for when it arrives. I always do one hit bowls but I don’t strive for full RTL either.
coolbreeze
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Lol. Ok, so what was your profound thought afterwards? : DEver had this conversation with yourself before sucking down a Tornado bowl at 1:30am
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Smknbud
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As another Cascade mode Aficionado I of course had to try these settings vs my usual 5500/85% setting. I do the cold start hit and two reheat hits typically since by then, for me at least, the taste is getting harsh, much more so with my settings than yours, and that’s to be expected and the avb shows it. I actually prefer your settings over mine. Well extracted and not resembling dark roast coffee grounds.
I am wondering though where you, and anyone else reading this with the Tornado/Forge combo, are setting the wagon wheel stopper height at? I’m up pretty high, recessed actually by a few threads, but think it’s the ‘sweet spot’ or close to it since the ‘flame’ on the forge is maxed out indicating that energy transfer coupling is at its best, at least in theory according to the original Forge manual.
This is where I have the stopper threaded post set in wagon wheel:
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
My profound thought was "ah crap, now I'm gonna be awake for another hour at least
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Hey,
I received my V2 a few days ago and I seem to have noticed that it no longer has the same heating marks. It seems to be less powerful than before, or at least the power calibration is a bit different. Does anyone know what has been changed/improved on V2 in this respect?
I haven't found my favorite setting yet, but for the Tornado, the Forge should be set at over 5000j, well above the V1. You'd have less room to maneuver, especially when it comes to heating up very quickly to promote convection.
Also, the vapor seems more aggressive.
I would have hoped that the residual noise would have been more or less present, but this is not the case, it's even worse than the V1.
Have you noticed the same changes? Is this normal? What's your setting for 1hitter RTL?
I received my V2 a few days ago and I seem to have noticed that it no longer has the same heating marks. It seems to be less powerful than before, or at least the power calibration is a bit different. Does anyone know what has been changed/improved on V2 in this respect?
I haven't found my favorite setting yet, but for the Tornado, the Forge should be set at over 5000j, well above the V1. You'd have less room to maneuver, especially when it comes to heating up very quickly to promote convection.
Also, the vapor seems more aggressive.
I would have hoped that the residual noise would have been more or less present, but this is not the case, it's even worse than the V1.
Have you noticed the same changes? Is this normal? What's your setting for 1hitter RTL?
Smknbud
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Hey,
I received my V2 a few days ago and I seem to have noticed that it no longer has the same heating marks. It seems to be less powerful than before, or at least the power calibration is a bit different. Does anyone know what has been changed/improved on V2 in this respect?
I haven't found my favorite setting yet, but for the Tornado, the Forge should be set at over 5000j, well above the V1. You'd have less room to maneuver, especially when it comes to heating up very quickly to promote convection.
Also, the vapor seems more aggressive.
I would have hoped that the residual noise would have been more or less present, but this is not the case, it's even worse than the V1.
Have you noticed the same changes? Is this normal? What's your setting for 1hitter RTL?
Definitely has power calibrated differently. John mentioned that in his Instagram post when he said "we redid the coil output calibration to more accurately reflect delivered power to the load"......."These improvements are a key part of our desire to “move beyond the click” enabling both dry herb cold-start bowls and high temperature dab applications". There was a change to battery management also as John stated "but we now control and monitor what we draw from the battery where we previously let the battery manage that regulation".
I agree with the over 5000j. Mid 5000 at least when not using Cascade mode. I think the position of the Tornado in the Forge is also at least as important. Seems to me the deeper it's inserted equals more conduction.
At the moment a 1hitter RDL/RTL is 5500j/85% and wagon wheel stopper set high.