Discontinued ThermoVape Revolution for concentrates

[OF]

Exactly so. If you have a T1 and Revolution you're good to go. No kit of any kind is necessary.

If you have a T1 and no Revolution, you want a Revolution or DART....again no conversion kit is really needed.

So you don't need a 'conversion kit' in either case if you have a T1. You need a Revolution or DART (of which there are many more so DART should be easier to find......).

Most guys prefer DART, given the choice, over Revolution.

Do you now have a Revolution (or DART)? If not, that's what you want, not a conversion kit (which will be very hard to find at this point I think).

OF

 

[petey1]

Do you now have a Revolution (or DART)?

OF

No. It was my understanding that the revolution shared the same battery/housing as the T1 and thus you could just use the conversion they sold.

In any case, what's a DART?

Basically, I want one device with the ability to function for herbs and oil/wax.

 

[OF]

No. It was my understanding that the revolution shared the same battery/housing as the T1 and thus you could just use the conversion they sold.

Revolution and DART work on lots of other batteries, including the Ultras they were sold with from TV, Persei and Omicron with thread adapters, and literally dozens of 'e-cig pens' that also use 510 threads (provided they can drive 1.5 Ohm carts, which most can).

In any case, what's a DART?

Basically, I want one device with the ability to function for herbs and oil/wax.

OK, then you want a Revolution, not a conversion kit. That's the part that contains the concentrate. You probably really want a DART (the same basic thing but easier to use with oils and waxes but not so with Bubble).

These parts are long out of production, you'll be lucky to find one. Loose Revolutions might be easier to find as many of us upgraded and have Revolution not being used much. You might post a 'wanted' in the classifieds. There are two voltage ranges, for $15 TV will rebuild it for you, changing voltages if you want.

In terms of new stuff, Cera will of course do it like a champ (two different tops). D9's new SR71 seems to also be a useful contender here, although it's basically still brand new and being explored. Other vapes (like DVs and MFLB) can do concentrates with special accessories.

My advice is to set aside some time and do some reading. The first few pages of a thread should give you a feel if it's the sort of vape that might suit you.

Regards.

OF

 

[petey1]

OK, then you want a Revolution, not a conversion kit. That's the part that contains the concentrate. You probably really want a DART (the same basic thing but easier to use with oils and waxes but not so with Bubble).

So I will need a whole other device then?

Watching here from 4:25, this makes me think I can just get the Revolution conversion kit and run one device.

 

[Dangus]

Your body is fine, the kit is what is confusing. That top portion that is being screwed on at 4:25 is 2 pieces:

-The adapter piece that connects to the body that has the 510 connection
-The cart/mouthpiece (technically more than one piece)

Folks above are saying that there is a 510 connection where the bowl of the T1 screws in. (Not a piece that is normally unscrewed) So you *technically* don't need the adapter, just the cart.

Clear as mud?

EDIT: as for obtaining a cart or a whole set-up...they are pretty sparse these days, and watching the classified section would be a good bet. In fact, I might be posting some carts and the adapter in the next week or so...still mulling it over

 

[2clicker]

 

[nopartofme]

Petey, when people say "you need a Rev or DART", they are not saying you need a whole other device.

The Revolution and DART are both cartridges, or cores, meaning they do not come with a battery tube. The "conversion kit" you're seeing is only a pretty adapter piece made to sit in between a T1 battery tube and a Revolution core.

A Revolution conversion kit does not include a Revolution core. Also, you do not need a conversion kit to use a Revolution core on your T1 battery tube. It's just prettier if you have one.

Also you would want a DART more than a Rev, it does the same thing but is newer and a little easier to find, though still discontinued by the manufacturer.

 

[petey1]

Thanks alot guys! It's much more clear to me now.

 

[OF]

Thanks alot guys! It's much more clear to me now.

OK. Are you ready for the test then? Take out half a sheet of paper, put your name at the top......

OF

 

[midgetsanchez]

So I've been experimenting with my DART (standard voltage) and e-cig batteries...at the moment my SV DART is screwed onto a basic 510 batt (Atmos Rx Bullet 2 Go body) and tested with CO2 oil...it actually works once it heats up, I can blow out clouds. Only issue is, it gets quite warm (the DART particularly but the battery body as well). Would an LV work better with the 510 e-cig battery? If anyone's messed with 510's and has any input let me know.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Make sure the battery you're using is 6v, since that's what the standard Rev uses. LV/LR runs at 3.7v

 

[midgetsanchez]

Make sure the battery you're using is 6v, since that's what the standard Rev uses. LV/LR runs at 3.7v

The Atmos RX Bullet body appears to be a normal e-cig (like the joyce kind) but I'm not 100% sure... I can't seem to find any information regarding the voltage on it but it definitely works since I'm getting vapor...I'm just trying to figure out if I would get optimal performance out of an LV (if the battery voltage < 6v). I have a multimeter but I'm not sure how to measure an e-cig...in any case would there be any harm in using the SV DART on a lower voltage battery? AFAIK e-cig batteries are around 3.7v

My goal is to get a discreet 510 e-cig setup with my DART. So far so good...

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Yeah with that cigalike I'm pretty sure it's not going to be a 6v. I don't think anything's wrong with using it, just that it's weaker than it should be which would explain why the battery heats up a lot.

As for the hot cart, if you have one of those silicone tips that ecig shops use (the mouthpiece condoms that are for one person) you can cut it off and put it over the body of the DART to help mitigate the heat. You can search google for "ecig disposable tips" and get results. IIRC Delta9/UpTech sells packs of 5 for a couple bucks. They're also useful for sharing, you can hit it normally and put a tip on the end for someone else to use.

 

[OF]

So I've been experimenting with my DART (standard voltage) and e-cig batteries it actually works once it heats up, I can blow out clouds. Only issue is, it gets quite warm (the DART particularly but the battery body as well). Would an LV work better with the 510 e-cig battery? If anyone's messed with 510's and has any input let me know.

Yes it will work LOTS better wound for LV. Any supply that will drive 1.5 Ohm carts will not know the difference with LV DART. I use Ego supplies of several types more often than my Perseis and Omicrons (of which I have and use several of each as many do).

A real useful set up is the Ego 'Twist' which gives you limited VV control of the heat. Thank NDA for that useful insight, I do.

I don't know that supply, but it looks pretty frail....many of those guys aren't up to 1.5 Ohm carts, they're 'topped out' driving 2.4s. Your SV DART is about 4 Ohms so it's OK with most anything but at 3.7 Volts it's only drawing a bit under an Amp so it's producing about 3.5 Watts, enough to make a little vapor as you've found out but not even half the intended power (about 9 Watts). If you like it the way it is, you're gonna flat out love it if you feed it right. I'd seriously consider the $15 upgrade to LV. If necessary (and I think it might be) back that up with another $20 or so for a nice Ego type supply for it (like the Twist) if needed and you'll be in tall cotton in no time.

These guys are personal favorites:
http://www.litecigusa.net/Joye_EGO_USB_Manual_650mah_Battery_p/usbegobatt.htm

Here's the twist from the same source, note this one doesn't have 'USB passthrough' (charges down the socket instead) since the adjustment knob takes up that space:
http://www.litecigusa.net/Joye_ego_c_Twist_650mah_Manual_Switch_Battery_p/ego-twist-650.htm

Five bucks more, and you loose USB charging, but gain VV control.

Best wishes.

OF

 

[midgetsanchez]

Yes it will work LOTS better wound for LV. Any supply that will drive 1.5 Ohm carts will not know the difference with LV DART. I use Ego supplies of several types more often than my Perseis and Omicrons (of which I have and use several of each as many do). ...

OF thanks for the insight, it's been truly useful. I'm trying to maintain the slim profile of the 510 pen battery I'm using since it looks exactly like an ecig, so for now I want to keep the battery I'm using. I'll probably get a Ego twist later for home use though.

Anyway, I took a multimeter reading and it appears that my 510 battery delivers 3.84v fully charged. I don't know how accurate this chart is, but from the looks of it I worry that if I get my DART rewound to an LV it might get fried by the 3.8v batt. From my understanding the LV dart is ~ 1.5 ohms and it's in the "red" territory. Still trying to find that sweet spot...

 

[OF]

OF thanks for the insight, it's been truly useful.

Anyway, I took a multimeter reading and it appears that my 510 battery delivers 3.84v fully charged. I don't know how accurate this chart is, but from the looks of it I worry that if I get my DART rewound to an LV it might get fried by the 3.8v batt.

You're welcome, glad to help if I can.

I would not worry about that at all. DART is designed to tolerate up to 4.2 Volts, but it's designed to run at 3.6 Volts I'm told by them as the nominal (typical) voltage. You're right in the sweet spot with such a device if it'll handle the 2.5 Amps or so needed. Some of the smaller ones do, some don't. The key is to see if they're rated for 1.5 Ohm carts. If they are, it doesn't matter what the cart looks like or who makes it. Match the treads, load the DART and enjoy.

OF

 

[midgetsanchez]

You're welcome, glad to help if I can.

I would not worry about that at all. DART is designed to tolerate up to 4.2 Volts, but it's designed to run at 3.6 Volts I'm told by them as the nominal (typical) voltage. You're right in the sweet spot with such a device if it'll handle the 2.5 Amps or so needed. Some of the smaller ones do, some don't. The key is to see if they're rated for 1.5 Ohm carts. If they are, it doesn't matter what the cart looks like or who makes it. Match the treads, load the DART and enjoy.

OF

Thanks...after testing the resistance on the default atomizer that shipped with my slim 510 battery (which came out to ~ 2.0 ohms) and some quick calculations I think the ideal resistance for a 3.75v battery should be around 2.6 ohms. I think anything lower than 2 could be tough on the crappy little battery, and since I'm definitely producing vapor at 4 Ω I think 2.6 Ω will be quite an upgrade...


I wonder if it's possible to request my SV DART to be rebuilt as a LV but 2.6 ohms instead of 1.5....or if it's possible to do it myself. Should be as simple as cutting a coil right? In any case I'll try and ask TET first if they can rewire it as a 2.6 Ω / 3.75v ....

 

[OF]

I wonder if it's possible to request my SV DART to be rebuilt as a LV but 2.6 ohms instead of 1.5....or if it's possible to do it myself. Should be as simple as cutting a coil right? In any case I'll try and ask TET first if they can rewire it as a 2.6 Ω / 3.75v ....

Sure, go ahead and ask. No, it's not as easy as cutting the length of the wire back, you also need to increase the gauge of the wire to deal with the higher current. TV has several sizes for this reason. There are limits to how far you can go in any direction (remember, there's also very little space).

It's definitely not a home project. You need tooling to pull it open and different tooling to press it back together and doing so trashes the threaded fitting usually, so it and the heater need replacement. It's far from simple. You definitely need to know what you're doing and the wire is pretty nasty stuff to work with even then, very hard and stiff. I've watched it but would not be able to make one with all the right stuff and coaching and trashing a few learning. Let the pros handle it.

Good luck.

OF

 

[midgetsanchez]

I spoke with TET and they will rebuild it for a small fee to 3.7v however they do not do custom wiring unfortunately. Since the default cart that came with this batt is 2.0 Ω I hope the 1.5 Ω LV REV DART won't be too harsh on the battery. Don't want to end up with an electric one-hitter...I wonder if there's some sort of 510-510 extender/adapter thing I could screw between the cart and the battery that adds a little bit of resistance. In any case I'm about to find out...


After trying various atomizers and "oil" attachments I've come to realize how truly awesome the Revolution DART is, and nothing I've tried seems to beat it DESPITE the fact that I've been running it underpowered. It baffles me as to why TV decided to discontinue such an awesome device, but oh well...

 

[2clicker]

I'm trying to maintain the slim profile of the 510 pen battery I'm using since it looks exactly like an ecig

just wanted to say that i see WAY more eGos out in public than i do the small cig shaped batts. if your worried about stealth then the eGo is as stealth as it gets IMO.

 

[Busta]

I've had a T1 for a while with the adapter piece and ava atomizer. The atty had gone dead a few months ago but I didn't care since I had an ego ecig for my nic fix. Then I found that it could be rebuilt to a Dart. I sent the atty in to TET and got it back yesterday.
All I have to say is this thing rocks! Way better than the Vhit wax tip I had on my ego battery and helps me conserve more wax than my ssv flavor oil kit.
I got higher off the DART than I could off of the ego vhit combo and the hits are awesome.
Thumbs up to Zeki and the TET team!

 

[StickyShisha2]

i just got my 2 Revs back from TET rebuild. I'm very happy to have them back quicker than expected.

oh man, i don't have any charged batteries.


to answer my own question,

how long should i expect the wait to be for Rev rebuild?

in this case, 12 days door to door.

 

[OnlyHuman]

Can someone give me a quick rundown of what is going on with the Thermovape threads?

Thermovape Cera = the newest model people seem to be liking?

Thermovape Revolution = This silver one I see in the video above, is it still available?

Thermovape = ???, why does that thread exist if these two do?

Lastly, not sure I understand what a 'dart' is?

Sorry, I am sure these are all answered, but gosh, there is a stupid ridiculous amount of information on vapes on this friggin site! Hard to keep them all in my head... I wish this site had some 'ranking' like boardgamegeek .

You try one, you rate it.

 

[nopartofme]

Can someone give me a quick rundown of what is going on with the Thermovape threads?

The Thermovape thread is about the Thermovape T1 herbal vaporizer. It's named simply "Thermovape" because it was the first Thermovape product, and so when the thread was created 'Thermovape' was a synonym for the T1. There were no other Thermovape products yet.

Thermo-Essence Technologies (TET) is the name of the company that makes all the Thermovape products.

The Thermovape Revolution was TET's first essential oil vaporizer. The Thermovape Revolution DART is the second generation model of that vape and is preferred over the original Revolution (sometimes referred to as the 'window rev' due to its loading window on the side).

Cera is the only product available from TET currently, as they discontinued manufacturing of all previous products when the Cera debuted. They still support repairs of old the products, though, so if you manage to find a DART or Rev for sale second-hand (not easy to do), you don't have to worry about support.

I wish this site had some 'ranking' like boardgamegeek .

You try one, you rate it.

I like this idea. BGG has a very impressive database set up. Their interface could use a lot of work though, IMO. If you're new to their site, the amount of information that's displayed on one page is overwhelming.

 

[OnlyHuman]

The Thermovape thread is about the Thermovape T1 herbal vaporizer. It's named simply "Thermovape" because it was the first Thermovape product, and so when the thread was created 'Thermovape' was a synonym for the T1. There were no other Thermovape products yet.

Thermo-Essence Technologies (TET) is the name of the company that makes all the Thermovape products.

The Thermovape Revolution was TET's first essential oil vaporizer. The Thermovape Revolution DART is the second generation model of that vape and is preferred over the original Revolution (sometimes referred to as the 'window rev' due to its loading window on the side).

Cera is the only product available from TET currently, as they discontinued manufacturing of all previous products when the Cera debuted. They still support repairs of old the products, though, so if you manage to find a DART or Rev for sale second-hand (not easy to do), you don't have to worry about support.


I like this idea. BGG has a very impressive database set up. Their interface could use a lot of work though, IMO. If you're new to their site, the amount of information that's displayed on one page is overwhelming.

I suppose. I discovered BGG about 6 years ago and it changed the way I view boardgaming and it is a big part of my life now. I hear you about all the wealth of information on each games' page, but it's easy enough to figure out imo.