Discontinued ThermoVape Revolution for concentrates

[BeardedCrow]

Ok I did a long boil, seems there are wax residue clogging the tiny holes that connect to the battery (assuming the holes are what brings air into chamber).

It seems to be vaping much better now, however the quality of the battery charger is still very bad IMO.

I bought another set of charger off amazon, hopefully this set lasts longer than 3 months!

Anyways, my sticky wax atomizer came in the mail today.

This thing hits amazing! I know this 10.99 atomizer won't last, but you should see the vapors it makes, I coughed my brains out!

My revolution will sit by my fish tank for days I just feel like relaxing and puffing slowly.

 

[OF]

Ok I did a long boil, seems there are wax residue clogging the tiny holes that connect to the battery (assuming the holes are what brings air into chamber).

It seems to be vaping much better now, however the quality of the battery charger is still very bad IMO.


My revolution will sit by my fish tank for days I just feel like relaxing and puffing slowly.

Good news, sounds like you sorted it out well. I won't argue on the charger, mine has been fine, but others have reported problems. FWIW I still recommend the WF-188 for lots of uses.

New vapes are fun, but be sure to come back to play with Revolution now that you've got it 'breathing right'. It takes some learning to manage such a small load (say .05 grams at a time), but that's what Revolution thrives on. Once you come to grips with that (and keeping battery charge under control) it can be quite a handy little gadget for sure.

Enjoy.

OF

 

[Kief]

To anyone on the hunt... I just spotted a used SV Dart Kit in black listed on eBay.

 

[Mynameismud]

Nice find. Can the revolution base fit the 17670 or whatever batteries or is that only the T1 base?

 

[BeardedCrow]

My thermovape batteries came in the mail today!

Unfortunately I ran out of wax, hopefully I can pick up more tonight.

All I have is flower and no vape to handle flower

 

[OF]

Nice find. Can the revolution base fit the 17670 or whatever batteries or is that only the T1 base?

Yes, the supply that ships with the SV kit (using two RCR123As) is also right for the 17670 for LV. It's basically the T1 supply without the heat shield cover.

Remember, the charger needs to change too, it charges 17760s to higher voltage than the 123s.

My thermovape batteries came in the mail today!

Unfortunately I ran out of wax, hopefully I can pick up more tonight.

All I have is flower and no vape to handle flower

Boy, I bet those suckers will be well charged by the time it's show time?

As a background task, I think you should get a backup vape or two? There are some cheap VGs around.....

OF

 

[BeardedCrow]

Thermovape will be backup for the wax atomizers which work muc better, but these atomizers are disposable.

Thermovape will always be there when I run out of disposables.

Alsoight order the sera once I see the ridiculous price drop by at least half.

 

[Deadshort480]

My thermovape batteries came in the mail today!

Unfortunately I ran out of wax, hopefully I can pick up more tonight.

All I have is flower and no vape to handle flower

No vape for flowers?!

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I think you'll be waiting a minute for the price of the cera to ever dip below $200. I don't think that will even happen... I agree $300-odd is a bit on the higher price range for some of us here, but hey, she's not the only vape... she's pretty, sure, but other vapes can be had for a fair bit less. Perhaps the FlashVape with the SC2 will be more to your liking/price range? Convection, too, but it's a fair bit bigger around the top (hehehe) and not as pocket-friendly as cera is, although I've seen that even the cera isn't as "pocket-friendly" as people had previously thought. now would be a nice time to start putting the spare change in the jar, what with cera mini probably coming out within the next 6 months or so (based on what they have mentioned re: cera mini and the adapter they're working on for cera carts on older TV hardware.) perhaps mini will be a little mini-er on the price too, but we'll see

 

[OF]

Thermovape will be backup for the wax atomizers which work muc better, but these atomizers are disposable.

So you've tried the TV then? Which "wax atomizers" are these that "work muc better"? All the ones I tried had serious failings IMO. Perhaps I tried the wrong ones?

So which did you like better than TV? TIA.

OF

 

[BeardedCrow]

I own a TV rev... Yes it will be backup.

I am using 'sticky' wax atomizers at the moment, they vastly outperform thermovape, though I am certain disposables aren't meant for longterm use.

Will order 'gentlemen's' wax atomizers tonight, might as well try them too.

 

[Mynameismud]

I own a TV rev... Yes it will be backup.

I am using 'sticky' wax atomizers at the moment, they vastly outperform thermovape, though I am certain disposables aren't meant for longterm use.

Will order 'gentlemen's' wax atomizers tonight, might as well try them too.

Dont! Youll regret it. Ordered the two pack a while ago and 1 came DOA. Tried contacting them multiple times and never once got a response. This was back in december. They also have a horrible metallic taste thats impossible to get rid of.

 

[BeardedCrow]

When I mean outperform: you don't haveto draw slow or fast, either will produce very massive thick clouds of vapor.

Anyone can stick wax in these and get good results, where the TV takes much time and practice, and still won't ever make as thick clouds.

My GF won't even touch the revolution now that the wax atomizers kicked her ass.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

seriously, gentelmens is the worst in a long line of cheap crap.
checking out the vapor brothers dabbler soon. best review from vitolo

 

[BeardedCrow]

By the way, I went to 'vaperev' store in Cerritos, very nice vape shop.

Anyways. They know the owners of TV and speak of them highly.

But they said 'vaperev' has wax mods coming soon that will render TV obsolete, so they say, guess we will see!

He mentioned Pyrex glass and ceramics being used for the wax atomizers etc.

 

[BeardedCrow]

Do they still sell TV ceramic replacement for the revolution?

Thinking mine may be too clogged to iso or boil...

 

[Mynameismud]

Thermovape will be backup for the wax atomizers which work muc better, but these atomizers are disposable.

Alsoight order the sera once I see the ridiculous price drop by at least half.

I agree with OF completely on this one. When I first got my thermovape I was literally in the same position your in now. The oil i was using was thick and sticky. I had no problem using it in the MicroG, however it seriously under performed with my dart. Tried a different oil/wax in the thermovape and I havent looked back since. After trying the different oil Ive been getting the same size/comparable hits to the MicroG and have only broght the MicroG out on a couple occasions since.

Ive tried about 6 or so different pens and the only one that comes close is the MicroG. id probably use it more if the carts didnt die every 3 weeks. its so nice not having to worry about a busted cart. and Havent tried the sticky pen, but I highly doubt it can outperform the thermovape with the right oil.

Also, about your comment on the cera, from what I read the price is only going to increase with time. I belive they are offering it at a lower price now for the early adopters but the price is going to rise every year with the increase in material costs. Or something like that...so with that in mind youll probably be waiting until whatever comes after the cera mini before theres any discounted/clearence prices. And if its anything like the darts then once they stop making them the price is only going to increase further

When I mean outperform: you don't haveto draw slow or fast, either will produce very massive thick clouds of vapor.

Anyone can stick wax in these and get good results, where the TV takes much time and practice, and still won't ever make as thick clouds.

My GF won't even touch the revolution now that the wax atomizers kicked her ass.

I agree it does take time and patience, but I can draw fast or slow with my TV and get huge ass coughing up a lung hits. If you havent tried a different wax or oil from what your using I would give it a try. Otherwise it sounds like theres an issue still with yours. When i first got it with the first oil i tried I wouldnt let anyone else use it cause i figured if i couldnt get the hang of it or produce huge clouds then they wouldnt be able to either. Now friends that have never used it before cant take more than a couple hits. I do preheat it before handing it over to them though...

 

[BeardedCrow]

I would try different wax, but I usually pick up 1/4 or 1/8ths of it so I'm pretty much stuck until the wax is gone haha.

Don't get me wrong, the TV CAN get good vapor, it just takes forever to get there. Why I ordered 6 more batteries!

I doubt thermovape will raise the already steep price of sera, if they do, you can bet other companies will offer the same tech for half the price.

 

[Mynameismud]

Yes, the supply that ships with the SV kit (using two RCR123As) is also right for the 17670 for LV. It's basically the T1 supply without the heat shield cover.

Remember, the charger needs to change too, it charges 17760s to higher voltage than

OF

I already have the tenergery 14500/18650 charger, i believe it was purchased directly from thermovape. Wll that work with the 17670 batteries or would i need a seperate charger?

I would try different wax, but I usually pick up 1/4 or 1/8ths of it so I'm pretty much stuck until the wax is gone haha.

Don't get me wrong, the TV CAN get good vapor, it just takes forever to get there. Why I ordered 6 more batteries!

I doubt thermovape will raise the already steep price of sera, if they do, you can bet other companies will offer the same tech for half the price.

yeah I only mentioned it because it sounds like your experiencing the same exact issue i was having, so its worth a shot in the future. I would hold it on for 10-30 seconds before inhaling and only get decent/good vapor at best. now from a cold start it takes about 6 seconds before i start inhaling and it gets hard to inhale after about 10-15 seconds because im getting so much vapor. If you look at the alpha ultralight thread I was even askign/thinking i had a battery issue too.

And im almost positive i read that about the price of the cera, material costs are going to rise every year so the price is going to rise. Most companies sell at a higher price point and then can lower the price in the future even with rising costs. I believe thermovape is going the opposite route. Im not 100% sure but i definitely remember reading something along those lines.

And thermovape has patents on their technology so I doubt other companies will offer the same tech without being sued by thermovape. Or youll have cheap knock off companies/no warranties in china like zoly which knocked off all previous thermovape models. My friend got one of the zoly dart knock offs around the same time i purchased my used Dart (early january). His died a couple weeks ago and is shit out of luck...

EDIT: this was taken from vaporpedia regarding the price

Because of the extremely high cost of the materials in the Cera, and based on the overall cost of building high end mechanical devices that our hand assembled in the USA, there will be predictable yearly price adjustment of the Cera product line. So this time next year the Cera will increase in cost/sale price by 2%-5%. Based on the model this is as conservative as they can be. Plan for a yearly price INCREASE of the Cera by a minimum of 2% every year, and no more then 5%.
The prices are going up on 12/1/2013 all Cera products (anything with Ceramic or Metal) will go up.

 

[Deadshort480]

I charged my 17670s on an 18650 charger. Two different ones, actually.

 

[nopartofme]

Here's the word from TET themselves on Cera's price increasing:

We had a long discussion with our Ceramics guys on the 6th, an our machinist for SS and the other machinist doing Ti yesterday to purchase and fix our cost for 2013. So there will be NO PRICE INCREASE or DECREASE in 2013. Because of the extremely high cost of the materials in the Cera, and based on the overall cost of building high end mechanical devices that our hand assembled in the USA, we will have predictable yearly price adjustment of the Cera product line. So this time next year the Cera will increase in cost/sale price by 2%-5%. Based on our model this is as conservative as we can be. Plan for a yearly price INCREASE of the Cera by a minimum of 2% every year, and no more then 5%.

So yes, the prices are going up, 12/1/2013 all Cera prodcts (anything with Ceramic or Metal) will go up. They will go up again 12/1/2014 again. Best case a Cera will cost you 4% more starting 12/2014... worst case is 10%.

This is just a side effect of dealing with rare, expensive, US sourced materials usually reserved solely for use in implantable medical devices, complex sensor arrays, military and defense applications, and aerospace. We do not make that many raw materials here in the States, and the ones we do such as Magnesia Stabilize Zriconia, Sulfur free High Grade SS, and High grade T1 go up in price yearly as inflation, feul costs, labor costs, etc. etc. continue to rise. Companies that make fine Jewlery struggle with this same issue, yearly there will be a variation in the price of the raw materials required for them to produce their product.

An example would be Van Cleed & Arpels, every year they raise their pricies a fixed amount to account for the multiple factors that increase the cost of doing business and/or producing the durable good.


Difficult to make another analogy because everyone else who uses these materials are using them for a far different application. Implantable medical devices, military/defense/aerospace. That stuff cost more and more money each year but the data is hard to get on how much they increase the price of the products they make. Anyone know what the year over year cost increase in defense satellite manufacturing is? I do not.

So we rely on fixing our costs as early as possible for the year ahead so we know what we can sell the Cera for.We also know we have to adjust that price yearly to stay uin business

 

[OF]

I own a TV rev... Yes it will be backup.

I am using 'sticky' wax atomizers at the moment, they vastly outperform thermovape, though I am certain disposables aren't meant for longterm use.

Will order 'gentlemen's' wax atomizers tonight, might as well try them too.

Thanks for the information, I thought that was the case. I've never seen or tried them, but based on what I read in the now closed thread I'm not interested? You (and the GF) seem to have had the most luck with it. Others report taste and overfilling issues I guess you're not seeing?

Funny how one guy specifically commented it wasn't as powerful as the Revolution ("The SWB heater is not as strong as the Revolution/Dart for sure") which doesn't seem to square with your experience.

Still, if you're happy with it you're happy with it.

Thanks again.

OF

 

[Deadshort480]

That's crazy. I've never heard of a production item staying structurally the same yet increasing in price every year.

 

[CentiZen]

They have posted officially on this forum saying that the price would never be lowered and could only increase as their material costs increase over the years. Whether or not these costs will actually go up in the long term (which really just does not make sense to me) I don't think you will see the price being lowered at all.

I too have jumped ship to the cheapies but I'm finding my atty's are lasting quite a while longer than most give them credit for, and at least with the SWB I can boil it clean. I think that TV is going to have a run for their money against their latest generation of competition.

On the bright side, I did discover that my own revolution was not working because the barrel switch was clogged. Not sure how that happened but it is running again.

You (and the GF) seem to have had the most luck with it. Others report taste and overfilling issues I guess you're not seeing?

Add me to the list OF - not sure why the thread has been closed, or what others were doing with theirs, but I have been using these units as well for great effect.

 

[BeardedCrow]

Is there a difference in using the TV battery base opposed to ego style batteries?

I noticed the TV rev top screws on to my ego twist variable volt and it heats up.

Twist pen gets 4.8 volts while TV battery goes 3 volts?