Discontinued Thermovape Cera
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Mango Jive
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If you watch his video prior to his most recent one, he gives a close up of the ABV. Idk I guess I've always vaped around 370-380 so it has never gotten the chance to look as dark as in buchee's vids. Also, how can you be positive that your "damn near black" ABV hadn't combuste? I have without a doubt combusted on multiple occasions with the mflb as a result of holding the battery in too long, but it wasn't the combustion you get when you directly put the flame to the herb. That will obviously create the cherry red glow, but I think there's a difference between the cherry red glow and partially combusting.
Edit: My view on the subject may stem from my vaping temperature preferences.. I've always seen temperatures at or over 400 (what the cera operates at) as overvaping and having a greater potential of combustion and bad flavor. Hopefully buchee can comment on the taste of the last hit and prove me wrong.
UpUpandAway
YWF
Can the Ultrafire dual voltage charger be used with the 2250mah 18650? Or is the Tenergy charger (that they offer for purchase with the Cera) better?
Mango Jive
Member
What modifications have you made with the Cera that weren't present in the T1 to ensure that the herb doesn't combust? The T1 has the capability of combusting, what makes the Cera different? (not doubting the Cera, just genuinely interested)
OF
Well-Known Member
You know, it sounds to me like you and the rest of us might be using a different definition of combustion here?
Combustion is burning. Oxygen combining with 'other stuff' (basically hydrocarbons) to make new chemicals rather than 'vaping' which is the simple evaporation of THC and similar chemicals without changing their chemical nature. No energy is released and the chemicals you end with are the same as when you started if you don't combust.
If, however, you do get so hot the first reactions happen: making H20 (water) from oxygen in the air and hydrogen which is part of the herb, and liberating LOTS of energy. This extra energy boosts the local temperature even further very rapidly (too fast for you to stop typically). This of course makes more reactions happen, releasing yet more energy causing the carbon left to start combining with oxygen adding even more heat. As soon as that happens you no longer need power added, it's making it's own just like blazing. The situation is regenerative, it 'runs away'. "Combusting a little" is like exploding a little, it doesn't happen. What folks take as 'partial combustion' is typically scorching of the bud. MF went into this at great length in the MFLB thread.
Combustion can (rarely) happen in some MFLBs. Usually you need a PA to do it. It might well be possible in T1 or Cera, I was unable to do it trying as hard as I could. I got the herb nearly black, past 'roast coffee' but no harsh vapors (the skyrocketing temperatures flash off all sorts of junk that's collected, stinks up the bowl and leaves ashes (not just dark stuff) behind). When it happens it's usually not much of a secret to the guy sucking on it.
As far as "what the cera operates at" in terms of temperature, that's controlled by the user as it is on T1 (different from Volcano and HA for instance). Not by the design of the vape. Many of us intentionally run higher than 400F trying to get to the medically effective but not intoxicating components as a matter of routine.
If Buchee says he didn't combust, I take him at his word.....surely he would know.
"By the book" the WF-188 charges at too low a current(even on max). It misses the 'two to 3 hours' window by a lot. This means typically undercharging some (TV told me about 5% or a bit more).....and of course it takes longer doing it.
OF
Mango Jive
Member
Thanks for the info. Makes more sense now. The only thing I'm gonna have to disagree with is the mflb 'Rarely' combusting.. I can combust with that thing on command. But ur right, our definitions of combustion are different. Personally I always got a shitty taste in my mouth when I held the battery in 'too long'. I guess I prefer the lower end vaping temperatures rather than 400+. that way when it's "fully vaped" it still has some of the good stuff left so the abv can be used for edibles. With nearly black abv I doubt there's anything left. Good to know that it didn't combust though, the dark hue had me worried for a bit.
The cera would be perfect IMO if u could know/control the exact temp u were vaping at
The cera would be perfect IMO if u could know/control the exact temp u were vaping at
noxigem
Certified unknown stranger
Thanks to Buchees video, I went to "The Cave" in San Mateo and got my first glass piece (24 arm perc Rehab glassware). Even went ahead and finally registered myself on this forum after lurking for 3 months!
Can't wait to get my Cera soon (pre-ordered around Dec. 22nd). So excited!
(returns to frantically hitting Inbox button in Gmail to see if tracking info has been sent)
Can't wait to get my Cera soon (pre-ordered around Dec. 22nd). So excited!
(returns to frantically hitting Inbox button in Gmail to see if tracking info has been sent)
GoGlass
Well-Known Member
@Tim and OF : About the 'combustion' of the buchee vids : yes, you've right it's not exactly combustion.
Ok, the real chemical reaction of combustion has not really happenned, no prob. But Damn, i have vaped for 3 years with almost every thinkable vape , and i have never go at this temperatures settings !!!!
I'am sure that it exists a range of temp (i think between 400 and 450°F) where your herb dont combust but where you begin to inhale pyrolytic products.....just my opinion !
I'am glad to know that there is some ways to adjust temp and so maybe the Cera LL is a little bit more tricky to use.
Yes to buy or not to buy ... i'am wonder...............
Ok, the real chemical reaction of combustion has not really happenned, no prob. But Damn, i have vaped for 3 years with almost every thinkable vape , and i have never go at this temperatures settings !!!!
I'am sure that it exists a range of temp (i think between 400 and 450°F) where your herb dont combust but where you begin to inhale pyrolytic products.....just my opinion !
I'am glad to know that there is some ways to adjust temp and so maybe the Cera LL is a little bit more tricky to use.
Yes to buy or not to buy ... i'am wonder...............
It's not hard to reach genuine combustion (oh look a cherry *coughhackcough* gak) in the LB using Powerex 2700s. It's dead easy with the Magic-Flight battery.
Having said that, black ABV is not evidence of combustion. Ash from combustion will be mostly various shades of grey. I know that if I had a Cera, I would already know whether it could reach combustion and how long it would take. It's one of the tests I do with every vapourizer I get. I'm pretty sure that if the Cera combusted that easily you'd have discovered this and told us. After all, it's not like buchee was doing anything unusual.
buchee
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NoName, Yes i did 3 successive bowls the other night and it took 25 minutes give or take a minute as I had a timer going. I used 2 batteries though. I started the second battery during the packing of the 3rd bowl. The first battery didnt die nor did i notice any change in performance. However, starting from a cold Cera I think you want to start with a fresh battery as I have a noticed a considerably longer warm up time if I started with a half depleted battery. The first battery took close to 3 hours to charge but I didn't time it so I can't be certain. The stock charger doesn't have any readout to tell how many mah were put back in, voltage, etc. Just a red light for charging and green light for charged.
As for the latest video and speculation of combustion. I can say with total certainty that there was no combustion taking place. I didn't get that foul smell or taste. Yes there were some black areas but nothing that actually looked burnt. I crushed it in my fingers and there was no ash.
Another reason why I know for sure that it didnt combust is because I DID make it combust last night. I foolishly said something about doing a whole bowl in 1 inhalation. I thought to myself why not grind it up so it's almost a powdery consistency, thinking that will make things quicker and better surface to area. Well I think that was my mistake as there was no room for airflow after I packed it. I was having a hard time drawing and getting poor vapour. On my 3rd inhale yellow smoke shot out of the airholes on Cera and I inhaled a putrid taste. Yup that was combustion all right.
So yes it can combust. Hope that answers some questions.
I'm so excited to to see this video and to hear comments from Medical Mark and Cheerful Dub. I can't wait to get my Cera working the way you guys are. Quick question: Did you guys receive the new switch or are you using the original switch with any modifications? Sounds like once the switch worked properly, there are no problems producing quick and dense vapor. I'm waiting on the new switch with hopes that the Cera will work the way it's supposed to. In the video, it doesn't look like you are holding the switch. How did you convert it to latching? Or am I seeing it wrong?
jdee
Well-Known Member
So it seems all of my performance issues were also switch related (thanks to buchee for showing what a functioning unit looks like), and that no amount of working on my technique was going to accomplish anything. The loose leaf cart actually works great when it works as intended. The mouthpiece gets quite hot so having multi bowl sessions will definitely benefit from a thermal sleeve.
I'm really loving pairing the ceo with either my hydratube for huge moisture conditioned clouds, or with the cyclone bowl+whip from my eq, caterpillar style (from alice in wonderland).
I'm really loving pairing the ceo with either my hydratube for huge moisture conditioned clouds, or with the cyclone bowl+whip from my eq, caterpillar style (from alice in wonderland).
Someone was asking to see clouds???This one's for NoName.
This is the beginning of bowl #2
Found the exact pipe in buchee's video for those who may be interested in one.
http://www.ioffer.com/i/nice-glass-16-7mm-thick-double-perc-bong-533978860
Will the thermal sleeve actually cover the mouthpiece though...I was on the understanding that it will cover the body and top cap but leave the mouth piece un-covered so that you can take a pull through it...I may be wrong though as I can't really remember wither I have saw the thermal sleeve or not, I'm only working on imagination here.
If the Cera is really getting as hot as you guy's are saying shouldn't the sleeve be included in the price ?
If the Cera is really getting as hot as you guy's are saying shouldn't the sleeve be included in the price ?
Using my masterful mspaint skills I have produced an artistic rendering of how I think the sleeve will be on the cera.
PB88123
Vaporist
@ PB88123, thanks for the re-post of Tims....the sleeve is just as I thought...so is everyone going to get toasty lips when using this device ?...
I know that we need heat in order to get vapor, but surely the mouth piece should be designed differently so that it doesn't get as hot as it seemingly does, because not everyone is going to want either toasted lips or to be having to keep the mouth piece away from their lips when using the device.
@ Vaporeyes, great artistic skills. Leonardo DaVinci would be proud of you...
I know that we need heat in order to get vapor, but surely the mouth piece should be designed differently so that it doesn't get as hot as it seemingly does, because not everyone is going to want either toasted lips or to be having to keep the mouth piece away from their lips when using the device.
@ Vaporeyes, great artistic skills. Leonardo DaVinci would be proud of you...
Terrible news, really sorry about that, wishing you and your family the best.
saltway_sweeper
Member
Here's a blow up of the photo Tim posted, you can see the thermal covers.
OF
Well-Known Member
so is everyone going to get toasty lips when using this device ?...
I know that we need heat in order to get vapor, but surely the mouth piece should be designed differently so that it doesn't get as hot as it seemingly does, because not everyone is going to want either toasted lips or to be having to keep the mouth piece away from their lips when using the device.
No, not a bit of it. EVERYONE will get good performance from the properly working units. Some part of them will use it harder and it will get hotter.....they will compensate somehow.
I'm not sure what's driving all this fault finding but there's really no more need to guess (nor question my honesty), others are reporting 'Cera really does work pretty good'.
Folks are welcome to continue to look for disqualifying problems if they wish. IMO they're shorting themselves only.....unless innocents take their fears too seriously? I feel confident saying this is a solid product, well thought out and well built. Arguably the best int he industry. They have been tested by real people and the major issues have been addressed and the remainder are being resolved in an 'owner friendly' and attentive manner.
IMO those who buy Ceras will not regret doing so.
OF
Bluntcrush
Director of Vapor Research Labs™
I second!
Also the Glycerol cart is SWEET!!! Thanks TET you've done it again!! Happy Friday friends! Get in line, you won't wanna miss this...it's just like Christmas!
Trever
Well-Known Member
Have you used the ava's? How is the glycerol cart compairing to performance. Long warmup time? Leakage like tha ava? Really 6x the copacity or does it just start tasting like crap after a few puffs? Thank you bluntcrush the glycerol cart is the only thing hindering my trigger finger.
Bluntcrush
Director of Vapor Research Labs™
I have used the HR AVA's both with and without the RES system. I thought the AVA was a little finicky and needed a couple of drops added a few times a day (which seemed like a hassle) The RES which houses an HR AVA as well as a porous ceramic "barrel" was a great improvement.
The Cera Glycerol cart is like a cross between the two. I dripped in a few drops and heated it up about 10 seconds (from dry) and then added about 4 more smaller drops. We were off to the races then! The flavor seems "cleaner" than it's predecessors also the core seems very powerful, so I had to adjust my puff technique to not choke myself. It's some pretty serious equipment for vapor enthusiasts.
Hope you find this a helpful inducement to stop your tarrying and click the BUY NOW button, asap!
The Cera Glycerol cart is like a cross between the two. I dripped in a few drops and heated it up about 10 seconds (from dry) and then added about 4 more smaller drops. We were off to the races then! The flavor seems "cleaner" than it's predecessors also the core seems very powerful, so I had to adjust my puff technique to not choke myself. It's some pretty serious equipment for vapor enthusiasts.
Hope you find this a helpful inducement to stop your tarrying and click the BUY NOW button, asap!