Discontinued Thermovape Cera

darkrom

darkrom

Great Scott!
The closest thing I've found is the firefly with oil pads. Amazing flavor, but still load as you go. I always seem to get nasty flavors with the pens. Once I try cleaning them they never taste right, so I consider them disposable. When the cart is gunked or caked up, replace it. Once I clean it I get gross flavor forever. I greatly prefer the firefly for load as you go, and I haven't found anything I REALLY like to load more than a hit at a time :/
 
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OF

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darkrom said:
Once I try cleaning them they never taste right, so I consider them disposable. When the cart is gunked or caked up, replace it. Once I clean it I get gross flavor forever.
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I had similar experience when cleaning with ISO soaks. Some concentrates went a long time (grams?) and were still fine, others fouled quickly. In general I think lighter oils (more red) work better?

Then I tried using PBW instead of ISO. A very small amount in a shot glass or similar filled with hot tap water. Then a hot water rinse. If really dirty it takes another wash sometimes, but I try to not let it go that long as I too like fresh taste. So now I run it down fairly dry when it starts to foul and wash it with PBW.

Rinsing it in hot water, shaking as much water out as possible then putting it on a paper towel generally has it dry enough to load again in an hour or so if I put it on top of the router.

I suggest you try PBW, it actually washes stuff off (floats it away) rather than dissolving the junk and helping it soak in deeper. Think about it, that's what ISO soaks are doing to the wicks and ceramic. Driving stuff even deeper into pores.

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darkrom

darkrom

Great Scott!
Because the ceramic is made of the 5th element.

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jpdnkstr

jpdnkstr

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one of the reasons I bought a Cera was because it was made in the USA from all USA sourced materials...... but we seem to be out of options stateside. Soooo let's see what the rest of the world has to offer if the USA can't provide it for us!? Good products can come from China, as long as you have the right manufacturer.
 
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jpdnkstr said:
one of the reasons I bought a Cera was because it was made in the USA from all USA sourced materials...... but we seem to be out of options stateside. Soooo let's see what the rest of the world has to offer if the USA can't provide it for us!? Good products can come from China, as long as you have the right manufacturer.
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How about ESV? Isn't it made here? I realize many consider California a foreign land.....

The 'USA sourced materials' is a tough nut folks would have to want to pay extra for it, as we did with TV. I fear most buyers would go for the lower cost. I understand that the US car with the highest US source number is Corvette, at 75%. 'vette.....hard to be more American than that. Slightly better is Corolla?

Lots of excellent options out there, many of them not from China (or other 3rd world, low labor country). Arizer in Canada and VM in Switzerland come to mind.

Good luck in your search.

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Darb

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jpdnkstr said:
one of the reasons I bought a Cera was because it was made in the USA from all USA sourced materials...... but we seem to be out of options stateside. Soooo let's see what the rest of the world has to offer if the USA can't provide it for us!? Good products can come from China, as long as you have the right manufacturer.
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I'd be willing to buy a few EO cores if this ever became a possibility. Maybe if the heater was available without the SS or TI surround it would keep cost down??
 
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Darb said:
I'd be willing to buy a few EO cores if this ever became a possibility. Maybe if the heater was available without the SS or TI surround it would keep cost down??
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That really wouldn't lower cost much. At least in SS. IIRC the cost of the body was less than the ceramic doughnuts and plate or the Zirconia core rod (ironically the most expensive part). A screw machine made those parts in under a minute each all night long unattended. They even load fresh 10 foot bars of stock from the rack as they run each peace down to the roach. The operator would literally shovel the shavings into the recycling bin and wash the parts in the output bin. Amazing machines, they had 3.

Labor is, of course, the big cost. Even with machine wound coils, there's a lot of hand fiddling involved. It's very tight in there. Without the body to fit it into for protection you'd need to invent some cover/case so you could handle and ship them.

And, of course, there's still the Patent/IP issue.......

Still, we can dream.

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Custom Flower Hardware

Custom Flower Hardware

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OF said:
That really wouldn't lower cost much. At least in SS. IIRC the cost of the body was less than the ceramic doughnuts and plate or the Zirconia core rod (ironically the most expensive part). A screw machine made those parts in under a minute each all night long unattended. They even load fresh 10 foot bars of stock from the rack as they run each peace down to the roach. The operator would literally shovel the shavings into the recycling bin and wash the parts in the output bin. Amazing machines, they had 3.

Labor is, of course, the big cost. Even with machine wound coils, there's a lot of hand fiddling involved. It's very tight in there. Without the body to fit it into for protection you'd need to invent some cover/case so you could handle and ship them.

And, of course, there's still the Patent/IP issue.......

Still, we can dream.

OF
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luckily for us OF, dreams really do come true! ;) i learned this from all these darn princess movies i watch with my daughter :)
 
darkrom

darkrom

Great Scott!
Yeah good luck. Every time I see this thread bumped I get pretty sad. I always hope its someone mentioning a comparable product. So far they just don't exist.

The firefly is what I use now with a stainless steel insert for oil. I wonder if there is a ceramic insert somewhere I can use similar to the cera, or if it doesn't even make a difference really.
 
ColoVaper

ColoVaper

Science...Whoo!
Hey just bored at work and noticed Phillip Morris has a new vaporizer out in select countries. I find myself wondering if this is what the Cera ultimately became :( it's called the IQOS.
 
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ColoVaper said:
Hey just bored at work and noticed Phillip Morris has a new vaporizer out in select countries. I find myself wondering if this is what the Cera ultimately became :( it's called the IQOS.
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Seems highly unlikely to me. Not only is it nothing like the TV stuff engineering/design wise but it's made for tobacco leaf extraction?

And IIRC it was RJR that bought the IP, not PM? Macy isn't going to help Gimal....

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ColoVaper

ColoVaper

Science...Whoo!
OF said:
Seems highly unlikely to me. Not only is it nothing like the TV stuff engineering/design wise but it's made for tobacco leaf extraction?

And IIRC it was RJR that bought the IP, not PM? Macy isn't going to help Gimal....

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Ah yes...sorry for bumping the thread. At first I was like they just shoved a cigarette in the end of a plastic Cera! Thanks for setting me straight on that.
 
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ColoVaper said:
Ah yes...sorry for bumping the thread. At first I was like they just shoved a cigarette in the end of a plastic Cera! Thanks for setting me straight on that.
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No worries, thanks for bringing it up.

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