Discontinued Thermovape Cera

[ColoVaper]

I am no expert but I did do a study in college to determine if chemicals were being leached into the water in bottles you commonly buy. These are considered food grade plastics and they do leach some nasty stuff in the water. There were only trace amounts we found and they would take years of daily ingest to reach a reach maximum point for your body to act negatively. I do remember some of the side affects could be quite nasty. It opened my eyes to think twice about plastics and to avoid drinking bottle water. I still do occasionally but I wouldn't ever think about drinking water straight from the bottle everyday all day. After about 20-30 years of people doing this, I believe more will be enlightened about this issue. I never used or held a Solo so I'm not saying anything about it at all! I do love my Cera

 

[OF]

I honestly doubt that Arizer has put a single nickel into marketing. They didn't even add the Solo to their own website for months after it was released. I have never ever seen an ad for any Arizer product that wasn't placed by some vendor. Arizer themselves have always behaved as if the Solo was a big secret.

WOW! What an interesting insight (at least to me). I never noticed (nor, it seems, paid enough attention....). It's outfits like PV and PIU that 'push it'.

Well, however it happened, I think the good word got out?

Thanks for the food for thought.

OF

 

[Betelgeuse]

Hey there folks,

I've been lurking in this thread for a bit, and i have a few questions. First how likely is a pass-through power adapter for the cera? Second, if/when the thread adapter is available, how much of the cera experience am i missing out on if I run it on a persei with a core? Im going to end up getting one of these but i would like to use it with a pass through. It's not a deal breaker, but would be preferred.

 

[OF]

First how likely is a pass-through power adapter for the cera? Second, if/when the thread adapter is available, how much of the cera experience am i missing out on if I run it on a persei with a core?

I seriously doubt TV will make a PA for the Cera. I've made 3 or 4 which I've showed them and they were only politely interested I think. Sales of the T1 PA were not big, probably effecting that?

I've also built several adapters. Running EL cores on Persei makes me think that Persei and Core would be a good combination there. Long term serious use might lead to overheating the electronics/head in Persei without a spacer, for that reason I think LL core use is out.

OF

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I seriously doubt TV will make a PA for the Cera. I've made 3 or 4 which I've showed them and they were only politely interested I think. Sales of the T1 PA were not big, probably effecting that?

I've also built several adapters. Running EL cores on Persei makes me think that Persei and Core would be a good combination there. Long term serious use might lead to overheating the electronics/head in Persei without a spacer, for that reason I think LL core use is out.

OF

You runnin' that EL core for juice or for concentrates?

 

[OF]

You runnin' that EL core for juice or for concentrates?

Concentrates, I don't do juice.......

Juice should be less demanding heat wise since the heat up times are shorter. I also understand SV does a better job there, I'd be tempted to buy one of the new EL cores for Luna and run that at 6 Volts???

OF

 

[nopartofme]

Spoiler: What's better than a Cera...?

Two!

 

[Patrick Hughes]

Spoiler: What's better than a Cera...?

Two!

They're going to make a baby.

 

[c76man]

I bought a used Cera in the Classifieds. However, after a couple of ISO soaks and boils, the ceramic still looks black. I tried to load some oil anyways, but it just sits on top and does not soak in. The oil even gets to the point of bubbling on top, but just sits on top. Before I send in for a rebuild, I wanted to double check that I haven't missed anything else I should try. I didn't see anything in the thread that seemed that I should definitely try. I didn't think that torching has been met which success, so I'm not planning on going there. thanks.

 

[Mynameismud]

I bought a used Cera in the Classifieds. However, after a couple of ISO soaks and boils, the ceramic still looks black. I tried to load some oil anyways, but it just sits on top and does not soak in. The oil even gets to the point of bubbling on top, but just sits on top. Before I send in for a rebuild, I wanted to double check that I haven't missed anything else I should try. I didn't see anything in the thread that seemed that I should definitely try. I didn't think that torching has been met which success, so I'm not planning on going there. thanks.

ceramic stains after some use so that is normal.

as for loading, it sounds like your using shatter, but i could be wrong. i have the hardest time loading shatter in the EO. a few things that might help are, heating up the cartridge a few times before loading the oil. heat it up for 10-20 sec a few times in a row. then place the oil on the ceramic and heat it up again for a few 10ish second pulses and it should melt right down. if that doesn't help you can also try blowing into the cartridge while it is warm to send the oil down.

the key with shatter (or any oil really) is to pulse you don't want to jam on the button or you risk burning the oil then it'll taste crappy until you reload

 

[c76man]

ceramic stains after some use so that is normal.

as for loading, it sounds like your using shatter, but i could be wrong. i have the hardest time loading shatter in the EO. a few things that might help are, heating up the cartridge a few times before loading the oil. heat it up for 10-20 sec a few times in a row. then place the oil on the ceramic and heat it up again for a few 10ish second pulses and it should melt right down. if that doesn't help you can also try blowing into the cartridge while it is warm to send the oil down.

the key with shatter (or any oil really) is to pulse you don't want to jam on the button or you risk burning the oil then it'll taste crappy until you reload

It's CO2 oil, so I figured it would flow right in. But it sits on the ceramic, and I tried quite a few 10 second bursts. I will trying blowing into the cartridge. Thanks for the tips.

 

[OF]

I bought a used Cera in the Classifieds. However, after a couple of ISO soaks and boils, the ceramic still looks black. I tried to load some oil anyways, but it just sits on top and does not soak in. The oil even gets to the point of bubbling on top, but just sits on top.

It's CO2 oil, so I figured it would flow right in. But it sits on the ceramic, and I tried quite a few 10 second bursts. I will trying blowing into the cartridge. Thanks for the tips.

As MNIM said, dark is common. It sounds to me like you 'bought someone else's problem' here, the cart has been fouled out over time. The pores of the ceramic are plugged up, new stuff can't soak in since there's no place to soak to.

You might get a reprieve of sorts with a couple 20/20/20 burns but I think a rebuild (and fresh start) is the best idea.

OF

 

[jpdnkstr]

Rebuild is the way to go, you won't regret it.

 

[c76man]

I think the rebuild route is a good suggestion to ensure quality and not wasting oil. Thanks for the feedback. I was hesitant to buy used, but that route allowed me to be able to afford a couple new capes instead of just one. Live and learn.

 

[OF]

I think the rebuild route is a good suggestion to ensure quality and not wasting oil. Thanks for the feedback. I was hesitant to buy used, but that route allowed me to be able to afford a couple new capes instead of just one. Live and learn.

I disagree. I think the used idea is fine. Given the support on the rest and reasonable rebuild costs a 'worst case' is $25 and another delay. For that you save bucks and still end up with a first rate vape in prime order.

It might take a new battery too, of course, but that should also be considered normal I think? With clean concentrates (CO2 oils work very well for me) you can keep fouling under control for a very long time. OTOH, I've fed some absolute trash to mine in testing early on and found boiling and soaking kept ahead of it until it didn't. That is if you let it slide too far it won't wash clean again. Sometimes 20/20/20 burns will clear some of that away and let you go again, but that leaves ash and baked in goo that will never wash free......making ground up rebuilds the only option. And that means a new heater.....

Hang in there, you're gonna love it once the parts are all there.

OF

 

[btka]

i want to purchase a second cera LL do some one have redeem coupon code for me plz... thx... or how can i get one thx...

 

[nopartofme]

i want to purchase a second cera LL do some one have redeem coupon code for me plz... thx... or how can i get one thx...

At the moment there aren't any coupon codes, but 4/20 is around the corner and we might see some kind of promotion coming up?


I'd like to chime in as one of the few (I believe?) owners of the new EL cart around here. I picked mine up used along with the rest of the Cera kit in the classifieds here (thanks again @Ricardooayee!). That means I'm also back in action with the ceramic mouthpiece for my LL cart, which long time readers here may remember was stolen from me by a giant spider in a forest…… It's good to be back!

I'm using my EL cart for EL, as a means of quitting my Swedish snus habit (which isn't 'as bad' as a cigarette habit, but my girlfriend wasn't fond of the smell of my preferred snus brand… That's alright, it gave me an excuse for a new toy, eh?). I'd used an e-cig before, but it was an unbelievably crappy little disposable model that left a bad taste in my mouth (literally and figuratively).

This EL cart was used for oils by the previous owner, so I gave it some extra TLC before attempting to feed it juice. The ceramic is black as is to be expected, but it's working great. It's also really nice to know that I have the option of a rebuild in the future to make it like new.

It's really neat for me to see some of the 'other side of the coin' with Cera, having only ever owned and used the LL cart in the past. I keep expecting the cart to be real hot… Hehe. And the battery life is great!

The new EL cart looks surprisingly different from the photos of EO carts that I'm familiar with. The top ceramic plate appears to actually be a bottom ceramic plate now, something which made me think there was ceramic missing in mine at first! The opening to the cart is a solid tunnel of stainless steel for what looks like a good inch or so, with the ceramic visible at the bottom. I assume there is vertical ceramic inside the walls?

I'm unsure about best loading practices, really just winging it. I wonder if it's best to store it upside down…?

I think the exterior of the cart looks really nice too, and is oozing with that signature TET 'ooh, pretty… …how does this thing work?' feeling. Evidence of tiny intricate craftsmanship. It fits right in with the rest of my LL Cera setup IMO, which should be obvious but is nice to see having been LL-cart-only for so long.

It's also kind of cool being able to hold an LL Cera and an EL Cera in either hand. I never quite realized just how heavy that UFO is…!

So far I'm really satisfied with the CEL as my e-cig of choice for switching from snus. Simply getting a cheap dedicated e-cig device was of course another option, but given the opportunity to continue using the Cera platform which I adore, as well as picking up some potential backup items for my existing Cera, and replacing my long-lost ceramic mouthpiece, to me it was really a no brainer!

I don't even find myself lusting for a Luna body for it so much. I think my perspective may well be different from the norm given my coming from 'session tobacco' versus cigarettes. CEL is suiting me just fine, solid-ceramic body and all. I certainly wouldn't turn down a "Luna switch upgrade" though!

Loving it. If anyone from TET is still around here reading… Keep on keeping on!

 

[tony yayo]

It's CO2 oil, so I figured it would flow right in. But it sits on the ceramic, and I tried quite a few 10 second bursts. I will trying blowing into the cartridge. Thanks for the tips.

Are you saying its not melting down at all? I just used some good headband CO2 oil last week and it worked fine. If it's not melting,it sounds like it's not getting hot enough. If you know it's not the batteries then maybe it's the strap. When I bought mine used, it worked weakly at first, then not at all. They repaired the strap and all works well now. Tried the foil test and that did nothing so try the same and if not, probably the same issue.

 

[OF]

Are you saying its not melting down at all? I just used some good headband CO2 oil last week and it worked fine.

Tried the foil test and that did nothing so try the same and if not, probably the same issue.

If you check back you'll note the OP said, "The oil even gets to the point of bubbling on top, but just sits on top". IMO it's getting plenty hot. Since it's not shatter, taffy or other types known to have melting issues (CO2 oils all tend to be pretty liquid?) my money's on a contaminated cart. He bought it used, and it's not in good shape.

It's no trick to 'melt in' CO2 oils. Temperatures way short of vaping will do it easily. If it's bubbling, it's way past that it's just not soaking in.

I too am a big fan of CO2 oils, will seek them out and 'stock up' when they show up locally (especially when in the magic $35 and under range......). IMO they're not the most potent (although no slouches), but the taste, ease of use, and clean 'vape off' makes them the call.

I'd also be a little careful with the 'foil test' advice. I assume you mean the ball of foil to substitute for the tailcap/switch? That's not the foil test as practiced at FC WRT concentrates. The 'real foil test' is to test evaporate a tiny sample of your goods on a bit of foil, looking for fast melt, free flow and uniform evaporation leaving little or better still no residue. It's for testing concentrates not Ceras. The foil test predates Cera by over a year.

OF

 

[tony yayo]

Yes I meant the foil BALL test.

By bubbling I assumed he meant the ceramic disk was all that was bubbling as I experienced at first because I was relatively low on material so I would see the disk bubbling but not getting much vapor.

If he is saying bubbling as in bubbles of oil popping inside the cart, if it's getting hot enough to bubble like that, then it's NOT the cart!

If it's just the disk barely bubbling you need more oil or stronger batteries. If it's saturated but not heating up much it's the strap. Does it feel warm to the touch towards the top?

 

[c76man]

I heated it to the point where the cart got hot and even the handle was getting warm. I put the cap on and tried blowing to push the oil in, and the mouthpiece even started getting hot. Doesn't that seem like its heating up well?

The oil is not soaking into the ceramic. The oil that is sitting on top will get hot enough to start bubbling like it's boiling. I have more than one battery. Should I be trying a different one, just to see?

 

[Czechyourhead]

I heated it to the point where the cart got hot and even the handle was getting warm. I put the cap on and tried blowing to push the oil in, and the mouthpiece even started getting hot. Doesn't that seem like its heating up well?

The oil is not soaking into the ceramic. The oil that is sitting on top will get hot enough to start bubbling like it's boiling. I have more than one battery. Should I be trying a different one, just to see?

I'd try additional batteries before sending in for a rebuild. Also be sure they are "suitable". If that doesn't work, send it in for rebuild. Sounds like the cart is fouled from the description.

 

[OF]

I heated it to the point where the cart got hot and even the handle was getting warm. I put the cap on and tried blowing to push the oil in, and the mouthpiece even started getting hot. Doesn't that seem like its heating up well?

The oil is not soaking into the ceramic. The oil that is sitting on top will get hot enough to start bubbling like it's boiling. I have more than one battery. Should I be trying a different one, just to see?

Thanks for reconfirming what's going on. I'll stick with the contaminated ceramic idea and the advice you send it in. For $25 you can get the cart rebuilt and the rest of the unit tested (and repaired as necessary) and basically have a fresh start like you'd have buying a brand new unit. I'd probably even send them a battery if you're concerned (but once the unit is on track, weak batteries are easy to spot. Remember, the cart rebuild assumes the ceramic is jammed up solid (they'll strip it down and clean it and replace ceramic as well as the heater element (which gets destroyed in the process)) so all the 'functional parts' are addressed.

What you have now is a case where the top ceramic plate is an insulator over the hot part. You simply can't transfer enough heat through the plate fast enough to do any good. In normal practice the core is like a soggy sponge, it's the oil on the inside of the core (not on top of the plate) that vaporizes. At this point the inside of the core has been baked pretty solid I bet. It's no doubt way over 400F in there and what oil is left is cooked good and proper.....you don't really what it.

Good luck with it. But IMO the sooner you send it off the sooner you reap the rewards of your purchase. Remember, the core will come back bone dry. Be ready to make an initial load of half a gram or so to start the game. After that you'll learn by doing. Most of us find that 'light loads' (enough for full production, but not much more) work best. They're faster to get into action (less heat up time), easier to control (more responsive) and stay tasting fresher (don't over cook the concentrate over and over and over...).

OF

 

[darkrom]

I'll have to run a batch of QWET. I sent my carts out to be rebuilt with the cera a little while ago. And now I have nothing to vape out of the EO when it comes back.

Forgot that I need like .4-.5 to even load it the first time.


Thanks for the reminder!

 

[mephisto]

There seems to be quite the waiting period for rebuilds in re to the Cera EO carts. Its been 3 weeks since my carts were to be rebuilt and still waiting.....Glad I still have the Dart(s) to tide me over.