This is good news. I am very happy they are taking the time to get it right. I'm sure it was good before but if e-cig smokers are a finnicky bunch this might puts them more at ease. Me included.
Discontinued Thermovape Cera
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This is good news. I am very happy they are taking the time to get it right. I'm sure it was good before but if e-cig smokers are a finnicky bunch this might puts them more at ease. Me included.
aj0125
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Is there anyway you could elaborate on why you prefer Cera over the Pax? I currently own a Pax and like it but have been looking at Cera porn online seriously thinking about buying one, but the idea of spending $420 dollars on a portable (w/batteries, charger, and EO cart) seems like a lot of money. Do you own a T1? If so how would you compare the LL Cera to T1? Can you really vape a full LL bowl without stirring? This would be a huge plus that the Pax and T1 definitely do not deliver. Thanks for any input.
Anyone else can feel free to weigh in on this, basically I want you guys to talk me into buying a Cera.
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
Convection vs conduction
Efficiency
Smell
edit, thought of some more
taste (i didnt mention it because it goes hand in hand with the first point)
maintenance
easily replaceable batteries
Efficiency
Smell
edit, thought of some more
taste (i didnt mention it because it goes hand in hand with the first point)
maintenance
easily replaceable batteries
OF
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Oh, yeah, DR knows the T1 very well. I'd be hard pressed to name a guy who's got more useful experience to call on there. He can even tell you about which parts will fly how far when given the chance. I think I said he was a demanding owner? That was meant in a very good way. IMO his 'take' should carry huge weight with folks 'he knows of what he speaks' as the saying goes.
Yes, LL Cera can definitely do a good job without stirring, that specifically was one of the upgrade (from T1) features we asked for. Due to improved bowl shape (especially the gas porting) prevents 'tracking through the load' up the center. The bowl is slightly smaller but in side by side tests delivers better hits (more uniform) IMO even with routine stirring. If that's a key improvement for you, I'm sure you'll be pleased.
In the end the decision to buy is yours to make, but guys have reported giving their nails a vacation based on the EO coming to town.......
While I've never tried Pax, I also understand we need to add 'better taste' or even much better to the list? Nobody I've ever heard is critical of the Cera taste, many comparing it favorably to glass (which basically the ceramic used is).
I'd also add ease of complete cleaning. You can ISO soak and boil all the critical parts like you would with medical instruments (which it basically is). Autoclave it if you have one handy. You can even torch the carts although I wouldn't suggest that as a routine and not do it to the SS version myself.
OF
Quetzalcoatl
DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
I forgot to mention you can change batteries with Cera, as well. And taste, definitely a plus.
aj0125
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Thanks OF for the sage as always advice. The ability to be stir free on the go is really making me lean toward going for it. I am always a fan of better taste. The Pax tastes pretty good on low but anything higher and taste significantly suffers. How hard/easy is it to accidentally combust with the LL cart compared to the T1 SV? Will running less than pristine oil or wax through the EO cart damage it in a way that a good cleaning won't fix. Just curious. Thanks again.
I am looking for ways to save money on this purchase and found this old post about these Amazon batteries:
4pcs Panasonic CGR18650CH 3.6 Volt Li-ion shipping free 18650 Battery 2250 mAh
Will these work as well as the batteries sold by thermovape in the Cera? Sorry, I know nothing about batteries.
I am looking for ways to save money on this purchase and found this old post about these Amazon batteries:
4pcs Panasonic CGR18650CH 3.6 Volt Li-ion shipping free 18650 Battery 2250 mAh
Will these work as well as the batteries sold by thermovape in the Cera? Sorry, I know nothing about batteries.
darkrom
Great Scott!
I used to own a T1. Cera is a huge improvement IMO, just a bit bigger. For me the switch on the bottom is akward on the cera, but that is my biggest complaint so far, an akward button.... not so bad!
I really vape bowls without stirring. The bowls are like 5x smaller than the pax bowls, and still feel the same as a tightly packed pax bowl to me, only no throat irritation which is the biggest downside of the pax for me. All conduction vapes give me at least a little tickle in the throat, or worse.
nopartofme
Over the falls, in a barrel
These batteries are being discontinued. That's the only reason they aren't the official TET batteries. There are many around here stocking up on them. So, yes! Go for it, it's a great deal. I've got some on the way.
darkrom
Great Scott!
With the LL I'm yet to combust, and I've been sort of trying. I'm sure I'll find a way to pull it off, but they did a damn good job making it a challenge
I have no EO cart yet, but once dispensaries start to pop up around here if good oil is readily available I'll buy a whole new cera EO, not just the cart. Redundancy for backups haha. Bye bye pax if that happens.
If you like the taste of the pax on any setting, you will love the flavor from the cera, or rather from your bud, since the cera puts out NO taste itself that I can find.
aj0125
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With the LL I'm yet to combust, and I've been sort of trying. I'm sure I'll find a way to pull it off, but they did a damn good job making it a challenge
If you like the taste of the pax on any setting, you will love the flavor from the cera, or rather from your bud, since the cera puts out NO taste itself that I can find.
Fuck it, I'm ordering it now. Thanks man.
darkrom
Great Scott!
Just promise you won't be discouraged. It takes more work than the pax to get a hit, but you get a greater reward with greater effort.
I view it like this. The pax is like a corolla, it will start and drive EVERY time, but it is kind of plain and nothing special, just easy to do what it does. The cera is more like a F1 car, you can get far better performance, you just might stall a few times before you get the hang of it
aj0125
Well-Known Member
I shall remember these words of wisdom. I got super discouraged when I first started using the T1 and kind of regretted buying it that first day, but thanks to some help from some lovely people on this board I was soon hitting it with the best of them (well maybe not the best). I will keep and open and patient mind when it arrives, and if that fails I shall call on the knowledge of my fellow vapists to guide me.
darkrom
Great Scott!
Really IMO the key with this vape is unleash the heat. For the LL anyway. Let it get hot. Its not going to combust from letting the core heat up under the load. Its not until you inhale that a significant amount of heat even touches the herb.
Let it glow until it is glowing real strong, then wait a bit longer IMO. THEN start your methodic inhales.
Let it glow until it is glowing real strong, then wait a bit longer IMO. THEN start your methodic inhales.
JoeKickass
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I view it like this. The pax is like a corolla, it will start and drive EVERY time, but it is kind of plain and nothing special, just easy to do what it does. The cera is more like a F1 car, you can get far better performance, you just might stall a few times before you get the hang of it
While I deeply respect the engineering of the cera, being a bit of a car guy, the corrola vs f1! made me chuckle...
I would say the Pax is like an Alfa Romeo, beautiful to look at, character and passion from every angle, sure you're going to have to live with legendary maintenance things but for the people who understand somehow it's just worth it
I would agree the Cera deserves a performance car likeness, but an F1 is so beautifully sculpted and delicate, I think the Cera is more like a Nascar: simple, tough, heavy, powerful, and looks like a "toy" (get it?
)
I would have to agree with OF, the set screws are better left for us to adjust or install. There have been a number of cross threaded cores that came back that are a PIA to get fixed. If you want to put the set screws back in, just send it our way and we'll do it for ya.
BTW, we are completely caught up with SS (except for EL orders)!!! If any of you are still waiting for your SS Cera order with an EL and want us to just ship out what we have please shoot us an email sales@thermovape.com
Make sure to check out the contest too! http://bit.ly/XGgFui
Happy Friday everyone!!
BTW, we are completely caught up with SS (except for EL orders)!!! If any of you are still waiting for your SS Cera order with an EL and want us to just ship out what we have please shoot us an email sales@thermovape.com
Make sure to check out the contest too! http://bit.ly/XGgFui
Happy Friday everyone!!
aj0125
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So does that mean the Cera SS LL that I just ordered half an hour ago will ship today? Or tomorrow? That would be great.
OF
Well-Known Member
Cross threaded? Wow, I hadn't heard of that (and obviously not thought of it) but that's scary. If you only do it a bit and stop early enough to not wreck the threads (seems silly to use the plural, I'm not sure there's more than one.....) it's almost sure to tear out when the load shits to it. I can see how it's easy to do down that hole and all if your 'touch' isn't just right.
Thanks, Tim, great insight......I just changed my advice. Don't chance it, send the sucker in and let the pros do it right. Tim is wise.
And it a second 'wow moment' for one post, you're clear on SS Ceras (LL and EO) a week before 4/20? How cool. I hope those who were convinced it'd never happen get the word and join in the fun! Well done, guys, take a brief bow before getting back to the good work!
Thanks for the sage advice (experience always beats theory it seems) and great news. Good weekend you and your partners in crime.
That's what I just heard. Won't be tomorrow I bet (it's a Saturday in California....) but I'd say the chances of having it for 4/20 just went from 'no way' to 'might happen'?
Wanna go buy some lottery tickets for me?
OF
OF
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So, early on in the week we were discussing a fellow hearing a slight rattle from his core from time to time. I described what I thought was happening:
Yesterday I was at the shop and asked Travis about this (he taught me to wind heaters and build the cores). He offered a couple more insights I meant to pass on yesterday. First a perfectly installed center section and be loose on the pins if everything is dead on causing a rattle when not installed. This 'float' is necessary as Tim has said so stuff can change size with heat. Installing it on the Cera prevents the rattle.
As I guessed, the inner rod can rattle if the coil is perfect, but this is not any sort of a problem and is very likely to change over time. It's not a useful guide to quality.
I just checked again, the one I built still doesn't rattle (coil not straight enough).....Travis must be right?
OF
Yesterday I was at the shop and asked Travis about this (he taught me to wind heaters and build the cores). He offered a couple more insights I meant to pass on yesterday. First a perfectly installed center section and be loose on the pins if everything is dead on causing a rattle when not installed. This 'float' is necessary as Tim has said so stuff can change size with heat. Installing it on the Cera prevents the rattle.
As I guessed, the inner rod can rattle if the coil is perfect, but this is not any sort of a problem and is very likely to change over time. It's not a useful guide to quality.
I just checked again, the one I built still doesn't rattle (coil not straight enough).....Travis must be right?
OF
nopartofme
Over the falls, in a barrel
The rattle in mine (I'm the aforementioned fellow) is most assuredly not from the metal/ceramic "float". First of all it still rattles when the core is screwed all the way in. Second, my repaired LL core came back with a threaded base that's jammed, there's absolutely zero wiggle possible by hand, and the threaded part is stuck with a slanted axis relative to the ceramic housing. When screwing it in you can see this if you watch carefully; the o-ring slips in on one side before it does on the other.
With that said, mine still appears to work flawlessly. It's good to know that it seems the 'worst case scenario' with my rattle is that the coil is perfect… I'm still not sure what to think about the jammed base of the core, though.
The official stand is it will ship in 1-3 business days.... But right now we have a few ready to ship so yours would probably go out before 5pm today
Tim
aj0125
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The official stand is it will ship in 1-3 business days.... But right now we have a few ready to ship so yours would probably go out before 5pm today
Tim
I wish I could like this post more than once
OF
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I wouldn't worry about it. I have 3 LL cores. One (the original Beta core) is loose, one is fairly loose (current production) and the last, my highest power (rebuilt many times) is quite tight. What counts, I think, is that it can move when needed (heat).
Bottom line on rattles is 'don't sweat it' right from the horse's mouth as the saying goes.
OF
hektik8625
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Now I Understand EVERYTHING in this forum, It all makes sense now,now that this thing is in my hands.... =) My first Thermovape product! Ive been messing with it for two days now, and am blown away by the EO cart..... The LL I'm still working on, its just the EO is so good! The flavor of my waxes/shatters are insane out of it!!! they all taste super good,unique.....First thought out of the box was "shit its heavy and solid!!! in a good way!!! feels like 400 bucks in your hands, and not like a cheap half plastic POS.This thing is seriously made to last, and sets the standards for all portable vapes in the future!!! this material is superb....Ive tryed them all, or owned them at one point in time, and am totally convinced there is not another portable EO vape out there that can compete with this thing RIGHT NOW...Taking it to JITSU class today to show the boys!< they all own and love the CLOUD =( so there gonna trip on this, it KILLZ it!!!
ps. my only thing is .... make sure to iso soak, then boil EO cart, and wipe out battery compartment where the solder is, before first use.There is some grease like funk coming from those areas....
ps. my only thing is .... make sure to iso soak, then boil EO cart, and wipe out battery compartment where the solder is, before first use.There is some grease like funk coming from those areas....
Sonics420
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^ nice man, I really miss my EO cart.. I havent been as medicated since I sent it out for repair.. I refuse to use my full melts any other way
edit - looks like someone can win a Free EO Cera with a youtube vid contest?
http://thermovape.com/blog/
Dope!
edit - looks like someone can win a Free EO Cera with a youtube vid contest?
http://thermovape.com/blog/
Dope!