The Tempest by Mad Heaters & Phatpiggie

cybrguy

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
MegaChip said:
Maybe a dumb question: What's the downside of the direct tubes vapor being hotter? I am kinda a newbie and in my head warmer vapor is... Warmer?
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Remember, the choice of Helix or direct tube are at the mouthpiece, not on the bowl side. So we are talking about the temperature that goes into your lungs, not the temperature that hits your cannabis. And yes, hotter vapor is harder on the lungs or at least it is for me.
 
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General Disaster

General Disaster

Of cabbages and Kings.
Clapped_r6 said:
Scientifically, lower temps are better for biliary function.
You'll do less damage by cooling it
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Sure about that? I'd be interested if you have a link, as I wouldn't expect vapour temp to directly effect the digestive system.

Personally I'd treat any directions on what the two tubes are best used for as simply indications. The best thing is to try them both out, this is all real personal and subjective stuff for each of us, plus the desired temps and airflows from the cap will effect how the tubes behave.

In terms of irritation, one effect (for some people at least) is the lower temps will prevent the degradation of the lower boiling point (lighter molecular weight) terpene's which many find are more irritating, while the hotter temps will reduce the levels of those terpene's, although this is strain dependent (and user dependent) too.
But that's the cap & bowl temp, here we're talking about the post vapourisation cooling so this is unlikely to have such a major effect on vapour composition, although better cooling will cause the lighter terpene's to be more likely to condense in the stem thus reducing those more irritating compounds, but to what degree I can't say, but certainly a lesser effect than cap temp variation I'd guess.
 
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MegaChip

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General Disaster said:
Sure about that? I'd be interested if you have a link, as I wouldn't expect vapour temp to directly effect the digestive system.

Personally I'd treat any directions on what the two tubes are best used for as simply indications. The best thing is to try them both out, this is all real personal and subjective stuff for each of us, plus the desired temps and airflows from the cap will effect how the tubes behave.

In terms of irritation, one effect (for some people at least) is the lower temps will prevent the degradation of the lower boiling point (lighter molecular weight) terpene's which many find are more irritating, while the hotter temps will reduce the levels of those terpene's, although this is strain dependent (and user dependent) too.
But that's the cap & bowl temp, here we're talking about the post vapourisation cooling so this is unlikely to have such a major effect on vapour composition, although better cooling will cause the lighter terpene's to be more likely to condense in the stem thus reducing those more irritating compounds, but to what degree I can't say, but certainly a lesser effect than cap temp variation I'd guess.
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Yeah, my question is if there is any benefit to cooler temps when it reaches your mouth/lungs. Like less coughing, better effects etc.
 
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TommyDee

TommyDee

Vaporitor
MegaChip said:
Yeah, my question is if there is any benefit to cooler temps when it reaches your mouth/lungs. Like less coughing, better effects etc.
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Terps are weak molecules. Temp-stepping starting with low temps assures more fragile molecules remain intact. This affects the entourage profile.
 
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vaper9000

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AndyO said:
Could you be more specific? Which dimensions are you after?
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My apologies, I was asking about the length x width x and height so that I could build a small form factor kit for on the go vaping. I do not yet own the tempest head however, so I need to find the dimensions online
 
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MegaChip

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TommyDee said:
Terps are weak molecules. Temp-stepping starting with low temps assures more fragile molecules remain intact. This affects the entourage profile.
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I am just talking about vapor cooling. Like with the helix tube Vs direct tube
 
MegaChip,
General Disaster

General Disaster

Of cabbages and Kings.
MegaChip said:
Yeah, my question is if there is any benefit to cooler temps when it reaches your mouth/lungs. Like less coughing, better effects etc.
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Which is what I partially answered - re: terpenes and irritation caused by.
The effects are changed by temp but again, that's the temp at the bowl, not the temp after the vapour's left the bowl. Some like it hot, some like it cooler, personal taste, not better or worse.
To try to define everything based on just a temperature isn't realistic or helpful as temperature varies all through the vape, so which temp do you mean? Cap, bowl, stem, and if the latter, then which part of the stem?

But the ticklish cough is mostly from the lighter terpenes which are more likely to be prevalent at lower bowl temps. Post-bowl cooling (in the stem and/or bubbler) will have much less of an effect on vapour composition.

TommyDee said:
Terps are weak molecules. Temp-stepping starting with low temps assures more fragile molecules remain intact. This affects the entourage profile.
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Actually, only some are weak, and in the main those are the lower boiling point terpene's; to be accurate, even the various cannabinoids are also classed as being in the terpene group.
Running a vape or dab at very high temps will break down those lighter terpene's into small fragments that recombine into other (non-active) compounds as they cool down.
Ironically, it either needs to be hot enough to damage the lighter terpene's if the heaviest one's are also going be fully vapourised, so it's something of a sliding scale in that temperature stepping range and you're quite right that the only way to get everything is to start low and work the temperature up as the lighter one's are cleared out, but in the end it's all personal preference anyway.
 
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AndyO

AndyO

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vaper9000 said:
My apologies, I was asking about the length x width x and height so that I could build a small form factor kit for on the go vaping. I do not yet own the tempest head however, so I need to find the dimensions online
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Tough to get exact measurements, and I'm not great with calipers at the best of times, much less when I'm blasted.

Here's my best effort, using the wooden stem.

Length - 122mm
Cap outside diameter - 10.3mm
Wood Stem outside diameter - the largest part is 12.2mm (so wider than the cap)
TT stem outside diameter - seems to be 12.4mm (including the heat shield.)
Mouthpiece outside diameter - 7.4mm

That's measurements for the device as a whole, it didn't sound like you needed individual pieces?

edit: shit, I just realised that you're asking about the head... I'll leave this here for reference, but just the length of the head is

The entire head, including the o-ring part, is about 46.8mm.

The bit that protrudes from the stem is about 42.3mm.

one more edit: It's also worth noting that, since we're just talking about the head, the cap isn't the thickest part - the coloured part below it is. At it's thickest the OD is about 11.8mm.
 
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HoodiesAndHondas

HoodiesAndHondas

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New guy here. Absolutely loving my Tempest. I was able to get a factory second and have been using it daily for about a week. Thinking about picking up the head/WPA combo that Vgoodiez is selling, to have as a spare/backup.

But I just saw a post on Reddit, that says the restock coming mid-year, will be a redesign with some changes. Is that accurate, and if so, is there any info on what the changes will be?
 
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kegstandman420

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happy new year to everybody. I've gotten a mini wood lathe to keep me busy over the slow winter months. I was wondering if anyone on this sub has experience on making stems. My first stem had been turning out perfect. When I went to drill out the center to put the tempest liner in it split on the last couple cm. I have an idea of how to go about it. I will need to order another accessory for my lathe. Going to make a cooling stand with the little scrap piece. Also saw dynavap is going to be making some type of ball cap. Doubt it will live up to the tempest, but just shows you it's good to have multiple makers in the butane vape space.
 
Dejavu

Dejavu

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HoodiesAndHondas said:
New guy here. Absolutely loving my Tempest. I was able to get a factory second and have been using it daily for about a week. Thinking about picking up the head/WPA combo that Vgoodiez is selling, to have as a spare/backup.

But I just saw a post on Reddit, that says the restock coming mid-year, will be a redesign with some changes. Is that accurate, and if so, is there any info on what the changes will be?
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I saw someone mention changes too? I am curious to hear as I just purchased a full tempest and heard of nothing about this until recently.
 
Dejavu

Dejavu

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HoodiesAndHondas said:
Me neither. I have zero complaints about my Tempest. Just curious what changes they made.
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The only complaint I've heard of people hearing cool down clicks later on(even after hearing a cooldown click?) I heard random clicks up to an hour later but once I ran through about 50 bowls, it has stopped. No clue what can be changed either...

hopefully any changes can be fixed with an upgrade kit <3
 
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MegaChip

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Dejavu said:
The only complaint I've heard of people hearing cool down clicks later on(even after hearing a cooldown click?) I heard random clicks up to an hour later but once I ran through about 50 bowls, it has stopped. No clue what can be changed either...

hopefully any changes can be fixed with an upgrade kit <3
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I have a problem with uneven roasts and saw quite a lot of similar complaints actually
 
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HoodiesAndHondas

HoodiesAndHondas

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Dejavu said:
The only complaint I've heard of people hearing cool down clicks later on(even after hearing a cooldown click?) I heard random clicks up to an hour later but once I ran through about 50 bowls, it has stopped. No clue what can be changed either...

hopefully any changes can be fixed with an upgrade kit <3
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Yeah, I hear a cooldown click way later, usually. But for me personally, neither the heat up or cool down clicks matter. I know at least the heat up clicks are important for torch users. But for the Wand, and the method I use, I can safely ignore them.

I know everyone seems to have a slightly different method and every manual device is a tad different, but here’s mine that has been working perfectly; I have the Wand adapter positioned per the MadHeater’s manual. I set the Wand to 580F and let it heat the Tempest until it stops flashing. I ignore the click, but the second click goes off right as the Wand stops flashing a lot of time. I rip on it until I’m not getting vapor. Then I re-heat and hold the Wand upside down and watch the visual indicator through the glass and when it hits the second line, I pull it out and hit it until the vapor stops. I usually do that re-heat method 1-3 times. My AVB is always a dark brown, and evenly roasted throughout (full bowl, haven’t tried the half bowl setting yet). Long slow drags generally help with even roasting. Hit it too hard and fast and it can roast the top quicker than everything below it.

Dejavu said:
Tried a full bowl natively, medium bcg grind. 670F until the wand timeouts with the glass adapter. dark avb. I guess he's having issues with a torch.
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I love the BCG. Medium plate user here too.
 
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MegaChip

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kokolokokolokon said:
Maybe the grind? Do you use full bowl?
At least with halfbowl…i have no problems of uneven abv
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If you cannot use the full bowl because it leads to an uneven roast, that would also mean there is a problem with the tempest and people may complain about that. But nope. Half bowl, tried medium and fine grind, using the wand. The adapter is installed the way it is described on the manual. Here is a pic
https://imgur.com/a/441LS19
 
Octavia

Octavia

No thoughts, head empty
MegaChip said:
If you cannot use the full bowl because it leads to an uneven roast, that would also mean there is a problem with the tempest and people may complain about that. But nope. Half bowl, tried medium and fine grind, using the wand. The adapter is installed the way it is described on the manual. Here is a pic
https://imgur.com/a/441LS19
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Oh that’ll do it, mine would burn at that setting with half or full bowl. Try moving the insert up a bit, I found mine works the best at what is described as the minimum depth in the manual.
 
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TheScamericann

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MegaChip said:
If you cannot use the full bowl because it leads to an uneven roast, that would also mean there is a problem with the tempest and people may complain about that. But nope. Half bowl, tried medium and fine grind, using the wand. The adapter is installed the way it is described on the manual. Here is a pic
https://imgur.com/a/441LS19
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I couldn't use the full bowl either, no matter what I tried it resulted in an uneven roast.
 
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kokolokokolokon

kokolokokolokon

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MegaChip said:
If you cannot use the full bowl because it leads to an uneven roast, that would also mean there is a problem with the tempest and people may complain about that. But nope. Half bowl, tried medium and fine grind, using the wand. The adapter is installed the way it is described on the manual. Here is a pic
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Well, i didn´t say i can´t use the full bowl, but I have been using the half bowl for a lot of months because i like to use smaller amounts. Also I vape more hash than herb.
I will try the full bowl with herb today and share config and results.
 
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