The Tempest by Mad Heaters & Phatpiggie

cybrguy

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Maybe a dumb question: What's the downside of the direct tubes vapor being hotter? I am kinda a newbie and in my head warmer vapor is... Warmer?
Remember, the choice of Helix or direct tube are at the mouthpiece, not on the bowl side. So we are talking about the temperature that goes into your lungs, not the temperature that hits your cannabis. And yes, hotter vapor is harder on the lungs or at least it is for me.
 
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General Disaster

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Scientifically, lower temps are better for biliary function.
You'll do less damage by cooling it
Sure about that? I'd be interested if you have a link, as I wouldn't expect vapour temp to directly effect the digestive system.

Personally I'd treat any directions on what the two tubes are best used for as simply indications. The best thing is to try them both out, this is all real personal and subjective stuff for each of us, plus the desired temps and airflows from the cap will effect how the tubes behave.

In terms of irritation, one effect (for some people at least) is the lower temps will prevent the degradation of the lower boiling point (lighter molecular weight) terpene's which many find are more irritating, while the hotter temps will reduce the levels of those terpene's, although this is strain dependent (and user dependent) too.
But that's the cap & bowl temp, here we're talking about the post vapourisation cooling so this is unlikely to have such a major effect on vapour composition, although better cooling will cause the lighter terpene's to be more likely to condense in the stem thus reducing those more irritating compounds, but to what degree I can't say, but certainly a lesser effect than cap temp variation I'd guess.
 
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MegaChip

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Sure about that? I'd be interested if you have a link, as I wouldn't expect vapour temp to directly effect the digestive system.

Personally I'd treat any directions on what the two tubes are best used for as simply indications. The best thing is to try them both out, this is all real personal and subjective stuff for each of us, plus the desired temps and airflows from the cap will effect how the tubes behave.

In terms of irritation, one effect (for some people at least) is the lower temps will prevent the degradation of the lower boiling point (lighter molecular weight) terpene's which many find are more irritating, while the hotter temps will reduce the levels of those terpene's, although this is strain dependent (and user dependent) too.
But that's the cap & bowl temp, here we're talking about the post vapourisation cooling so this is unlikely to have such a major effect on vapour composition, although better cooling will cause the lighter terpene's to be more likely to condense in the stem thus reducing those more irritating compounds, but to what degree I can't say, but certainly a lesser effect than cap temp variation I'd guess.
Yeah, my question is if there is any benefit to cooler temps when it reaches your mouth/lungs. Like less coughing, better effects etc.
 
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TommyDee

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Yeah, my question is if there is any benefit to cooler temps when it reaches your mouth/lungs. Like less coughing, better effects etc.
Terps are weak molecules. Temp-stepping starting with low temps assures more fragile molecules remain intact. This affects the entourage profile.
 
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vaper9000

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Could you be more specific? Which dimensions are you after?
My apologies, I was asking about the length x width x and height so that I could build a small form factor kit for on the go vaping. I do not yet own the tempest head however, so I need to find the dimensions online
 
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Yeah, my question is if there is any benefit to cooler temps when it reaches your mouth/lungs. Like less coughing, better effects etc.
Which is what I partially answered - re: terpenes and irritation caused by.
The effects are changed by temp but again, that's the temp at the bowl, not the temp after the vapour's left the bowl. Some like it hot, some like it cooler, personal taste, not better or worse.
To try to define everything based on just a temperature isn't realistic or helpful as temperature varies all through the vape, so which temp do you mean? Cap, bowl, stem, and if the latter, then which part of the stem?

But the ticklish cough is mostly from the lighter terpenes which are more likely to be prevalent at lower bowl temps. Post-bowl cooling (in the stem and/or bubbler) will have much less of an effect on vapour composition.

Terps are weak molecules. Temp-stepping starting with low temps assures more fragile molecules remain intact. This affects the entourage profile.
Actually, only some are weak, and in the main those are the lower boiling point terpene's; to be accurate, even the various cannabinoids are also classed as being in the terpene group.
Running a vape or dab at very high temps will break down those lighter terpene's into small fragments that recombine into other (non-active) compounds as they cool down.
Ironically, it either needs to be hot enough to damage the lighter terpene's if the heaviest one's are also going be fully vapourised, so it's something of a sliding scale in that temperature stepping range and you're quite right that the only way to get everything is to start low and work the temperature up as the lighter one's are cleared out, but in the end it's all personal preference anyway.
 
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AndyO

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My apologies, I was asking about the length x width x and height so that I could build a small form factor kit for on the go vaping. I do not yet own the tempest head however, so I need to find the dimensions online

Tough to get exact measurements, and I'm not great with calipers at the best of times, much less when I'm blasted.

Here's my best effort, using the wooden stem.

Length - 122mm
Cap outside diameter - 10.3mm
Wood Stem outside diameter - the largest part is 12.2mm (so wider than the cap)
TT stem outside diameter - seems to be 12.4mm (including the heat shield.)
Mouthpiece outside diameter - 7.4mm

That's measurements for the device as a whole, it didn't sound like you needed individual pieces?

edit: shit, I just realised that you're asking about the head... I'll leave this here for reference, but just the length of the head is

The entire head, including the o-ring part, is about 46.8mm.

The bit that protrudes from the stem is about 42.3mm.

one more edit: It's also worth noting that, since we're just talking about the head, the cap isn't the thickest part - the coloured part below it is. At it's thickest the OD is about 11.8mm.
 
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