Discontinued The Sublimator

[herbivore21]

Subbinin on some THC Bomb at 6.5

Man, I love scooping in .05 of flowers and instantly extracting the entire load, once at 6.5 and again at about 8.5 to fully spend it!

Dabs tend to inherit the taste of the flowers you have previously vaped in your piece... However, this is a major positive when you have good flowers, and can make dabbing the crappiest reclaim or AVB extractions taste good.

I do find you need to clean/reclaim the sub once ever 2 days max, or things get super messy in your piece! I also need more screens to ensure that little bits of AVB don't keep getting into the piece.

Subbuddy, heat guard and coarse to fine screen sets all coming from PV soon I think!

 

[Bud Kelly]

I think you are assuming too much when you call this an ethical issue. PlanetVape does a lot more shipping than Sublimator and almost certainly has more (and cheaper) options. Also, the charge is for shipping and handling, which includes such things as time and shipping materials. I have no doubt that a company that specializes in shipping all over the globe has lower handling charges than a manufacturer.

I don't use Dropbox, but every image hosting site has a way to provide a direct link to a picture. See https://www.dropbox.com/en/help/498 and also read our thread on how to post pictures.

Thanks, I took all of that into consideration before making my statement. I was not just comparing this to PV but also to the other, mainly ebay transactions I've had where they didn't have any buying power, and I also worked out what it would personally cost me to send it, and was still nearly half that price at $21. But as I mentioned I still would have purchased it after all of that, if they responded to my email accepting the new postage price. As to it being an ethical issue, it in itself is not, but it does cause you to question in your mind that if they are, not saying they are but IF, willing to take the opportunity to overcharge on something so trivial as some postage, then you may question the pricing of everything, as it is a very expensive unit. But if you add to this that they do not cover shipping returns on international warranty claims then I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they do believe that shipping internationally is more expensive than it really is.

I've read this thread from start to finish so I know that you have had a strong role in getting the sublimator back into discussion here and I thank you for that, so I hope you did not miss the point of my post which was to strongly endorse the product, I felt like I backed up everything I claimed with clear rational unbiased statements, so I apologise if it did not come across this way.

Thanks for the links. I thought I used the direct link for the pictures, did they not work for you? They did for me and I am not signed into Dropbox.

 

[wax]

Where is the best place to get this at the lowest price for what,I need to hook it up to my pieces

 

[pakalolo]

I've read this thread from start to finish so I know that you have had a strong role in getting the sublimator back into discussion here and I thank you for that, so I hope you did not miss the point of my post which was to strongly endorse the product, I felt like I backed up everything I claimed with clear rational unbiased statements, so I apologise if it did not come across this way.

Thanks for the links. I thought I used the direct link for the pictures, did they not work for you? They did for me and I am not signed into Dropbox.

I appreciate the thanks.

I didn't miss your point. I thought you did a pretty good job except for the way you phrased your concern. Your clarification makes it clear that you feel that there is a profit margin that is possibly unethical. There are many who would disagree with you there. Try that line with any fan of Ayn Rand, for example. That's not my main point, however. I still think you're assuming too much. Since you have no knowledge of the real profit margin, I don't see how you can support an argument that it might be unethical.

The links you used are direct links to the Dropbox hosting page, that's why the images don't show up in your post here. You need the direct link to the JPEG, which you can get by following the directions on the Dropbox help page, and then the directions in the thread I linked.

 

[jrk4d]

@pakalolo, wouldn't whatever profit margin for the company need to be covered in the cost of the item? I fully understand Enrico uses surgical grade stainless for all his pieces. I also realize his vapes are about as close to "hand-made" as possible. He also has to use very expensive machines and to pay employees and rent. He also has a patent to pay for. All of this put together shows me where he gets his prices for his products.
The part I am not understanding is the price of the shipping, and I believe that is the question being raised by @Bud Kelly. Yes PV ships all day 6 days a week. I completely understand PV can ship for much less cost than a very small scale manufacturer. However, is it ethical to charge $80 to ship a $40 item? Even if it does cost this company $80 for time and effort to ship, why is it ethical for Sub to even be shipping period? As far as I know, purchase has been available from the site for some time, if not since the product's release. So they SHOULD have a pretty decent shipping process figured out. Not to mention every Sub has to be shipped by Sub at some point. Either to PV or to customer. If PV can ship directly from Sub, then I don't see why Sub's shipping would be any more expensive than PV. If it is, I believe ethically, Enrico would be obligated to not make an extra buck. Whether its to pay an employee, an electric bill, or buying a dab slab, its still an extra buck. Enrico has a reasonably priced means of getting his product to people. Through PV. I believe the shipping is $27 or so for the ADA bong?

This is speculation and like everyone else on this thread, I don't get to see Enrico's expense report. But if it is going to cost $80 to ship a $40 item, when Sub is aware it can be purchased from PV for cheaper, it seems sketchy. Especially since PV is pretty much the only authorized retailer for the sub. That means Enrico still makes money if PV sells any Sub products. The worst part to me here is the company's willingness to drop their shipping rate by $40 just by request. What is that extra money going towards that anyone that doesn't ask Sub personally about? Adding that they ending up not replying at all in the end also makes me feel that @Bud Kelly may be justified in asking about the ethics behind the prices?

I am not trying to pick an argument @pakalolo, I just kinda find myself also asking some of the same questions others in this thread have asked regarding ethics and the future of this company, about which we all feel strongly. as in my earlier post, still trying to fully understand this thread's current feelings towards Enrico and his products.

 

[Bud Kelly]

@pakalolo, wouldn't whatever profit margin for the company need to be covered in the cost of the item? I fully understand Enrico uses surgical grade stainless for all his pieces. I also realize his vapes are about as close to "hand-made" as possible. He also has to use very expensive machines and to pay employees and rent. He also has a patent to pay for. All of this put together shows me where he gets his prices for his products.
The part I am not understanding is the price of the shipping, and I believe that is the question being raised by @Bud Kelly. Yes PV ships all day 6 days a week. I completely understand PV can ship for much less cost than a very small scale manufacturer. However, is it ethical to charge $80 to ship a $40 item? Even if it does cost this company $80 for time and effort to ship, why is it ethical for Sub to even be shipping period? As far as I know, purchase has been available from the site for some time, if not since the product's release. So they SHOULD have a pretty decent shipping process figured out. Not to mention every Sub has to be shipped by Sub at some point. Either to PV or to customer. If PV can ship directly from Sub, then I don't see why Sub's shipping would be any more expensive than PV. If it is, I believe ethically, Enrico would be obligated to not make an extra buck. Whether its to pay an employee, an electric bill, or buying a dab slab, its still an extra buck. Enrico has a reasonably priced means of getting his product to people. Through PV. I believe the shipping is $27 or so for the ADA bong?

This is speculation and like everyone else on this thread, I don't get to see Enrico's expense report. But if it is going to cost $80 to ship a $40 item, when Sub is aware it can be purchased from PV for cheaper, it seems sketchy. Especially since PV is pretty much the only authorized retailer for the sub. That means Enrico still makes money if PV sells any Sub products. The worst part to me here is the company's willingness to drop their shipping rate by $40 just by request. What is that extra money going towards that anyone that doesn't ask Sub personally about? Adding that they ending up not replying at all in the end also makes me feel that @Bud Kelly may be justified in asking about the ethics behind the prices?

I am not trying to pick an argument @pakalolo, I just kinda find myself also asking some of the same questions others in this thread have asked regarding ethics and the future of this company, about which we all feel strongly. as in my earlier post, still trying to fully understand this thread's current feelings towards Enrico and his products.

Yes that's amazingly, pretty much exactly what I was thinking but you have taken the time to explain it way way way better than I ever could. But every time I walk away from my SubStation, I seriously thank..... Someone, that Enricho was born, so what does that say for me?

 

[pakalolo]

@pakalolo, wouldn't whatever profit margin for the company need to be covered in the cost of the item? I fully understand Enrico uses surgical grade stainless for all his pieces. I also realize his vapes are about as close to "hand-made" as possible. He also has to use very expensive machines and to pay employees and rent. He also has a patent to pay for. All of this put together shows me where he gets his prices for his products.
The part I am not understanding is the price of the shipping, and I believe that is the question being raised by @Bud Kelly. Yes PV ships all day 6 days a week. I completely understand PV can ship for much less cost than a very small scale manufacturer. However, is it ethical to charge $80 to ship a $40 item? Even if it does cost this company $80 for time and effort to ship, why is it ethical for Sub to even be shipping period? As far as I know, purchase has been available from the site for some time, if not since the product's release. So they SHOULD have a pretty decent shipping process figured out. Not to mention every Sub has to be shipped by Sub at some point. Either to PV or to customer. If PV can ship directly from Sub, then I don't see why Sub's shipping would be any more expensive than PV. If it is, I believe ethically, Enrico would be obligated to not make an extra buck. Whether its to pay an employee, an electric bill, or buying a dab slab, its still an extra buck. Enrico has a reasonably priced means of getting his product to people. Through PV. I believe the shipping is $27 or so for the ADA bong?

This is speculation and like everyone else on this thread, I don't get to see Enrico's expense report. But if it is going to cost $80 to ship a $40 item, when Sub is aware it can be purchased from PV for cheaper, it seems sketchy. Especially since PV is pretty much the only authorized retailer for the sub. That means Enrico still makes money if PV sells any Sub products. The worst part to me here is the company's willingness to drop their shipping rate by $40 just by request. What is that extra money going towards that anyone that doesn't ask Sub personally about? Adding that they ending up not replying at all in the end also makes me feel that @Bud Kelly may be justified in asking about the ethics behind the prices?

I am not trying to pick an argument @pakalolo, I just kinda find myself also asking some of the same questions others in this thread have asked regarding ethics and the future of this company, about which we all feel strongly. as in my earlier post, still trying to fully understand this thread's current feelings towards Enrico and his products.

This isn't the place for philosophical arguments so I'll keep this brief. My point is that in a capitalistic environment, ethics plays no part in setting a price. Capitalism dictates that the price should be whatever the market will bear and in fact, some would argue that it is wrong not to extract the highest profit possible. I don't claim that this is my own philosophy, since it isn't. I do think that it's not right to say that anyone's pricing policy is unethical or sketchy in our supposedly capitalist society. You are imposing your morals on someone else.

 

[jrk4d]

@pakalolo, While you and I have differing opinions on capitalism today, you are correct in that this is not the place for morals/philosophical debates so back to sub talk!! 3 fat scoops of flower for breakfast today at 31 watts. just feels right

 

[grokit]

The price sets the tone and perhaps part of the demand for the sublimator, which remains a niche product in a niche industry. If it was priced more attractively would they sell more? Maybe, but there are other factors that keep this product 'elite' besides price, as this vaporizer has its own environmental needs as well. Finally nothing against canada, but international shipping can complicate repairs for usa customers.

 

[jrk4d]

anyone else's sub "moody?" Mine for some reason has a different max temp whenever I crank it up all the way. Anywhere from 40.0-46W max. I use the same outlet always.

 

[VegNVape]

'Ello jrk4d, do you often run your Sub at max temp? I think I remember - though I could be wrong - a while back Enrico advised against running it at max other than for the initial burn off. I have always avoided maxing mine out just in case. Same as I've always treated my 35yr old stereo amp. And it still pumps.

 

[jrk4d]

@VegNVape I bought mine form another member, so I cannot attest to the first year of its life, but I almost never run my sub above 35W actually. The material I'm working with is a bit on the dry side so past that will combust. I could be wrong, but I think Enrico mentioned the "red eye" as the problem. Some people were able to get 60W+ out of their sub out of the box which I think get the ceramic glowing red. If it sits glowing red, I believe that is where the damage occurs. But I am like you in where I get nervous running anything at 100%, even if I'm only pulling 40-45W. any time I crank it up, its pretty much just to see how high its wanting to go at that time.
I also don't have much access to concentrates, so the extra wattage is more for show i guess. However, I've noticed people saying they dab around 38W? I've heat soaked my atomizer for almost an hour on 40W and I still had goo on the bottom of my apollo.. None in the atomizer this time, but I'm wondering if I'm wasting each dab i try.

 

[CG420]

I never really double deck anymore but taking dabs alone you should let the apollo sit at 39-42 watts and for about 3 mins it starts to really be hot if you see the glow it's more than likely ready. If you run it at that temp often then I suggest lowering the wattage to 30-32 watts before completely shutting it off manually or letting the timer expire.

46 is what most will pull as I have mine read out at 45.x watts at some times. Again i find dabbing perfect at 40-44 watts but rarely do I dab at 44. Double decking makes my barrel dirty faster and my reclaim getd contaminated after that. I rather have control and I always keep my two screens clean to ensure fresh buildup. Running at high temps will cause sublimate to lose it's flavor because it's getting baked at higher temps too often resulting in just CBD highs. It is what it is. Nifty vape though I'm okay with the routine.

 

[jrk4d]

What does your apollo look like after a good size dab? Goo all over bottom?

 

[VegNVape]

Nope, not here. My Apollo always makes a clean get away. If you have gooey concentrate anywhere on the Apollo after a dab then it couldn't have been hot enough, else it would have vaporized, right? But if you're reading 40W that doesn't really make sense. It certainly sounds like you're running it hot enough...

 

[jrk4d]

my thoughts exactly @VegNVape .. I'm actually heating up my atomizer at 41W right now. Gonna take a crack with some sublimate and see how it goes.

 

[jambandphan03]

I let mine hover around 35 watts now, it seems to wonder from 33 to 39 on it's own at this setting, seems to work well with my oils and herbs. I try not to go hotter out of fear of pushing it too hard. I've put over a solid year of 24/7 use on my appolo 1.0 and hope to get many more before I have to go cutting wires.

 

[grokit]

anyone else's sub "moody?" Mine for some reason has a different max temp whenever I crank it up all the way. Anywhere from 40.0-46W max. I use the same outlet always.

I've attributed it to variations in line voltage, which is dependent on local/neighborhood usage patterns.

This can cause issues with certain vapes that don't use temperature-feedback sensor/regulation systems, but evidently I wouldn't have it any other way as I kept my infinity and sublimator, and sold my evo and herbalizer. I think the nano is like this as well, but I'm not sure since I haven't tried that one.

 

[Bud Kelly]

Ok so that makes sense. Since I started double deckers my Apollo has been getting really dirty. Previously for just flowers I found that on my unit 37.7 watts was my ideal wattage, which was about 5.5 on my dial. But once I started double deckers my avb at that wattage was nearly black, so I turned my unit down to about 34 or 35 watts, 4 on the dial, even 3 sometimes. This gives a good color for the avb but I have found that my Apollo gets dirty really quick and I have to swap holes due to them becoming inefficient because they are blocked or there is a build up of carbonated sublimated attached to the heating element behind it.

I think I may need to turn my unit back up again and experiment , as I knew something wasn't quite right, I couldn't go a half a day without needing to clean it. And it must be wasting oil and sublimate if it is being carbonised instead of vaporized.

One day I'd actually like to be able to have 2 power supplies and add a dab master to my Apollo, so I can specially have one unit for flowers and one unit for doubles and concentrates. Also when cleaning I don't need to go thru the wait to heat back up again after I am finished.

Thanks for the tips .

 

[herbivore21]

Should the Ti sub be seasoned before use for dabbing? I find that my dabmaster even when spotless makes my oils taste different in a more generic way at setting 9.5 on the xlr 2.0 dial!

 

[grokit]

I'm pleased to announce that the modifications to my sublimator are finally complete

This last upgrade consisted of drilling out the downstem of my launchtube

Out of focus but you get the idea. Starting to get coated with sublimate again after cleaning.

I used my dremel on an easily-available glass jar as well as the outside of the downstem to make a friction joint, it's tight, solid and easy to remove. The aluminum cross-tube had to be replaced with a slightly longer one to accommodate the jar. The replacement is lead-free potable brass; I suppose if I have one last thing to do it's seek out an actual aluminum replacement, but I don't really care about that. I can see that I missed a spot, didn't dust the handle and of course the camera focused on that part.

Nothing yet but soon my precious
Best of both worlds I suppose, it's a glass jar for collection/storage that I can screw a cap onto and have a few on hand like with the subbuddy, and no threads to gunk up like on the base launcher oil catcher.

I also got the grommet thing on the cord sorted out on the dimmer box.
I agree that it looks better

Encore shot of the electronics on the power side, no change here.

Quite some time ago I replaced the stock hose with a food-safe version from the local hardware store that is not only much more durable, it's much thicker/stiffer as well which is a good thing imo. I've also recently cleaned my atomizer thoroughly for the first time. The last modification was undesired, I used a cutoff saw to trim a couple of inches or so off of the bottom of the launchtube because it had a crack from removal when stuck. No more o-ring, a sliver of duct tape that nobody can see works better.

The substation in all its latest glory, still pulling ~50 watts

 

[jambandphan03]

I was bored so I made a vid

 

[hassan]

I'd love to see mods for the 1.0

 

[jrk4d]

who can take the biggest hits with their sub? I propose a challenge to the leather lungs on this thread!

 

[Frederick McGuire]

My tissue paper lungs will be happy to set a low bar once my sub comes in a few days