Discontinued The Sublimator

[Tweek]

Box just sparked when I went to press 30 on my Apollo.

Was stuck before tight. Got it loose and turned it on to get a spark.


Must of broke because I unscrewed the Apollo and tried to hit the piece out.

Are you saying you tried to take the Apollo heater apart? If so, not a good idea...Enrico mentioned this would more than likely mess up your unit.

 

[Tommii]

Does that mean your replacement just broke?

My nail has actually changed colour and is now pale blue. Kinda cool. Anyone know what it should settle on? I'm also finding scrapping the nail with the dabber at max temp seems to be working best to get it vaporized as quickly as possible and to get thick hits. Right now I have both the Nail and the Apollo on and just switch between them effortlessly using the same atty. I'll likely only do Sub oil hits on rare occasions now (double-deckers or impromptu oil seshs). I think it might help keep the heater in better shape unless it can actually burn off all the oil residue in there.

I also got an oil slick pad to dab the stem on and then scrape the oil with my Flexy tool. I got the idea after seeing one of Jam's posts I believe. It works great and lets me collect and use the sublimate even before it would have dropped down. Since I use water and don't have a collector, this actually lets me use it effectively for once.

How i dab people on the ti nail is that i dab it against the middle pole. it for sure smokes the dab, but i have two metal screens to catch any that fall through the holes. (this doesn't happen as much to notice)

When i did the reclaim progress, i had no screen, and one day i saw just a couple tiny chunks of budder in my pile, so i think it's not fully decarbed by the heat.


However dabbing on the pole seems like it packs a way bigger punch than usual for me.

 

[grokit]

I've noticed during power outages lately that the heater controller can be a little voltage/sine wave-sensitive, it buzzes when the generator isn't running quite right. It has more to do with the generator than the sublimator, just saying it can be sensitive to electrical irregularities. If they get too bad the controller just shuts off which is good.

I wonder if this is one of the prototypes

Hey what do I need to buy exactly to do that? I want to put a 14mm gong on the end of my launchpad hose in place of the mouthpiece like that, it opens up an entire world world of possibilities!

 

[Tommii]

I've noticed during power outages lately that the heater controller can be a little voltage/sine wave-sensitive, it buzzes when the generator isn't running quite right. It has more to do with the generator than the sublimator, just saying it can be sensitive to electrical irregularities. If they get too bad the controller just shuts off which is good.





Hey what do I need to buy exactly to do that? I want to put a 14mm gong on the end of my launchpad hose in place of the mouthpiece like that, it opens up an entire world world of possibilities!

Looks like one of those glass adapter to smoke joints out of.

Subdivision has their on Frequently Asked Questions note on Facebook. I will ask Enrico to work with me to expand the FAQs and hopefully get all problems sorted out.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/subd...uestions-about-the-sublimator/574220139308339

 

[Buildozer]

@grokit - are you talking about this thing?

 

[grokit]

@grokit - are you talking about this thing?

I dunno but I have one of those (in 14mm) somewhere for an ssv bubbler, I know it fits the bigger hose so I'll get back to you

 

[Tweek]

I've noticed during power outages lately that the heater controller can be a little voltage/sine wave-sensitive, it buzzes when the generator isn't running quite right. It has more to do with the generator than the sublimator, just saying it can be sensitive to electrical irregularities. If they get too bad the controller just shuts off which is good.





Hey what do I need to buy exactly to do that? I want to put a 14mm gong on the end of my launchpad hose in place of the mouthpiece like that, it opens up an entire world world of possibilities!

I used the adapter off of this:

http://www.pipesdaddy.com/product-p/vp-0022.htm

I think that one is 18mm, but I am sure you can find just the adapter someplace. It's the same bubbler I use with my sub.

 

[Tommii]

Here is some information in regarding the differences between the two different types of sublimator.

Both sublimators are strictly ment for different purposes.

The apollo is ment strictly for herbs, however, you can dab in the crater or to do some double deckers. The way that the apollo is made, is strictly sublimating herbs as it creates a strong enviroment to "sublimate" instead of vaporizing. However, the Ti nail is strictly ment for concentrates, Enrico does not recommend the Ti Nail IF you're going to use it for herbs. The way the Ti Nail is made does not create a vortex due to it's different design than the apollo. In that case the only thing the Ti Nail is doing is Vaporizing, which also can be called "Toasting".

 

[Tweek]

Thanks for that info. What does Enrico have to say about the units that appear to be failing?

 

[Tommii]

Thanks for that info. What does Enrico have to say about the units that appear to be failing?

I haven't gotten enough information to make an official statement, but let me speak for myself.
The only possible way I'm looking at it is that people may misuse the device. In my earlier moments owning it, I was corrected by Enrico that I was running my device red hot to the maximum. Remember when I told everyone that I had two different settings for Dabs and one for Weed? I let that running for hours and hours on end. I ran that sublimator at the highest for more than 50 hours counted. Then it gave up, just about the same time you guys are dipping.

I can't speak for Enrico in this case.
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Happy Subday Everyone!
Keep on subbin it!

 

[Tweek]

I haven't gotten enough information to make an official statement, but let me speak for myself.
The only possible way I'm looking at it is that people may misuse the device. In my earlier moments owning it, I was corrected by Enrico that I was running my device red hot to the maximum. Remember when I told everyone that I had two different settings for Dabs and one for Weed? I let that running for hours and hours on end. I ran that sublimator at the highest for more than 50 hours counted. Then it gave up, just about the same time you guys are dipping.

I can't speak for Enrico in this case.
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Happy Subday Everyone!
Keep on subbin it!

Nah. Not in my case at least. It was established pretty early on not to run the device red hot, unless you are cleaning it. Mine has never been run over 38-40 watts, and I never leave it on 24/7.

As to others, I can't say...but I doubt much of this has to to do with "misuse"

 

[Tommii]

Nah. Not in my case at least. It was established pretty early on not to run the device red hot, unless you are cleaning it. Mine has never been run over 38-40 watts, and I never leave it on 24/7.

As to others, I can't say...but I doubt much of this has to to do with "misuse"

i don't go by watts. I go by how hot it gets.

 

[Tweek]

i don't go by watts. I go by how hot it gets.

And? Makes no difference. I'm not trying to argue, but I don't really understand what your point is? If the sublimator is so sensitive to settings, then perhaps they need to get that new switch out to customers with the LED indicator? Or maybe build a $400+ vaporizer that can actually withstand some use, rather than one that will break as soon as you use it "too hot"

I'm trying my best not to get pissy here, but I really don't like the shift to blaming the consumer on this one.

 

[Tommii]

And? Makes no difference. I'm not trying to argue, but I don't really understand what your point is? If the sublimator is so sensitive to settings, then perhaps they need to get that new switch out to customers with the LED indicator? Or perhaps build a vaporizer that can actually withstand some use?

I'm trying my best not to get pissy here, but I really don't the shift to blaming the consumer on this one.

I believe that people put it on a higher temperature. The reason why i don't go by watts is because the environment can change everything. I've sublimated in some pretty cold weather and I have to turn it up a bit more.

just because it's running at a watt doesn't mean it's going to run the temperature you want.


I've combusted herbs at a max, when it usually doesn't until Vancouver got a heat wave.

 

[Tweek]

I believe that people put it on a higher temperature. The reason why i don't go by watts is because the environment can change everything. I've sublimated in some pretty cold weather and I have to turn it up a bit more.

just because it's running at a watt doesn't mean it's going to run the temperature you want.

You do realize, that the wattage meter is just a reference to use against ones results, right? Meaning, if I know at 38 watts, I get the colour of ABV I like, then go to another "environment" and find 38 watts is burning, guess what I do? I turn it down. If it's not getting hot enough, I turn it up till I get the colour I want.

So meter or not...people eventually establish ranges they like. So your example is kind of moot. If I ran a full blast 60 watts, element is red which Enrico is saying causes the burn out...I would combust my weed almost always.

This is not user error. This is a design flaw in my books. So how about they fix it?

 

[grokit]

I used the adapter off of this:

http://www.pipesdaddy.com/product-p/vp-0022.htm

I think that one is 18mm, but I am sure you can find just the adapter someplace. It's the same bubbler I use with my sub.

Thanks, that's an awesome bubbler. I'm wondering what that part might be called...
...but no matter...

@grokit - are you talking about this thing?

Thanks! It looks like I already have everything I need then, including a new use for my old ssv bubbler. For a reference point, the ssv tube adapter fits the launchpad tube perfectly, just on the inside instead of the outside like it does with the ssv tubing.

So any ssv bubbler that has that fitting should be directly adaptable to the launchtube, and now I can adapt a variety of water tools to it as well since it's standard 14mm.

I'm gonna need some more tubing though, what do you guys recommend? The stuff that it comes with doesn't even state the size on it, I guess I can take the old mouthpiece down to the hardware store...

 

[growkindness]

I'm with you, Tweek. My unit seems to also have the wattage issue. Originally I topped out at 64-65 watts and my sweet spot was around 38-40 watts. Now my max wattage has dropped to ~50 watts and my sweet spot is around 43 watts.

I am concerned that one day soon the max temp will drop below my sweet spot and then the unit will no longer be able to deliver. Especially since I have only owned the unit for 2 months and it's max wattage has dropped by 23%.

I would very much like to see what Enrico has to say on the matter.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

it's distressing that he hasn't had anything to say since i disagreed with his price changes for repair/replacement

 

[CentiZen]

I'm with you, Tweek. My unit seems to also have the wattage issue. Originally I topped out at 64-65 watts and my sweet spot was around 38-40 watts. Now my max wattage has dropped to ~50 watts and my sweet spot is around 43 watts.

I am concerned that one day soon the max temp will drop below my sweet spot and then the unit will no longer be able to deliver. Especially since I have only owned the unit for 2 months and it's max wattage has dropped by 23%.

I would very much like to see what Enrico has to say on the matter.

Indeed, I would as well. I see no real way the user could be at fault in these situations. These symptoms are typical of a resistor being run past it's power dissipation threshold for too long. This is taken from the wikipedia page on resistors:

The failure rate of resistors in a properly designed circuit is low compared to other electronic components such as semiconductors and electrolytic capacitors. Damage to resistors most often occurs due to overheating when the average power delivered to it (as computed above) greatly exceeds its ability to dissipate heat (specified by the resistor's power rating) ... Operating a resistor too close to its power rating can limit the resistor's lifespan or cause a change in its resistance over time. A safe design generally uses overrated resistors in power applications to avoid this danger.

I'm guessing that there is a ceramic resistor in the heating unit that serves as an element for the sublimator, and that they just can't stand up to this sort of constant wattage being pumped through them. The resistances are slowly increasing, allowing less power through. It's surprising that this issue was not noticed during the testing phases of the Sublimator, especially considering the total cost of a unit.

it's distressing that he hasn't had anything to say since i disagreed with his price changes for repair/replacement

 

[jambandphan03]

Thanks, that's an awesome bubbler. I'm wondering what that part might be called...
...but no matter...

I've seen them referred to as vaporizer tube glass adapter, elbow adapter, here its called a bubbler knob...

http://www.pipesdaddy.com/18mm-Vaporizer-Bubbler-Knob-p/as-0035.htm

 

[Tweek]

it's distressing that he hasn't had anything to say since i disagreed with his price for repair/replacement changes

All it would of taken, was an official rep in here listening to our concerns and then working together to find a solution. We are just trying to make an awesome product better, and promote the brand. But if I have to keep throwing money at this thing because they want to stick to the suggestion that its "user error" , then I am not above smelting this thing down to a puddle and moving on.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

'specially since real world experiments don't hold up to the suggestions.

mine was fine when i left it on. only when turning it off and on (at manufacturer suggestion) did it start to drop wattage. as it has every time since. if i leave it on it holds or climbs.
just glad i got an EVO coming for backup. if he does reneg on my warranty extension then i'm out shipping up to CA costs, the $30 they want to ship it back and the repair cost which he upped from $30-$40. so $70 plus what i pay to ship it up. and it's my fault, right?

 

[Tommii]

'specially since real world experiments don't hold up to the suggestions.

mine was fine when i left it on. only when turning it off and on (at manufacturer suggestion) did it start to drop wattage. as it has every time since. if i leave it on it holds or climbs.
just glad i got an EVO coming for backup. if he does reneg on my warranty extension then i'm out shipping up to CA costs, the $30 they want to ship it back and the repair cost which he upped from $30-$40. so $70 plus what i pay to ship it up. and it's my fault, right?

You stated that you purchased from someone 2nd hand. He must of ran it incorrectly before given to you

No flame no argue. Not tryin to cause trouble

 

[Tweek]

You stated that you purchased from someone 2nd hand. He must of ran it incorrectly before given to you

No flame no argue. Not tryin to cause trouble

When you tell someone that it's their fault, without any supporting facts...that's causing trouble.

If you aren't an official rep for Sublimator, it might be best not to represent them here unofficially ...because so far, you are just getting myself and I am sure others, pissed off with statements like that.

 

[Willeh]

I would like to know if it's because the resistor is underrated and its resistance is changing or what. Is it the same resistor in the E-nail? I rarely ever run mine max temp just the odd 5 minutes on max to accelerate heating. My units seen a lot of on time over the passed few months and there's been a definite drop in power, but max temp still would still spark a cherry up in any bowl. I hope that the sublimator team figures out a new resistor and releases the Ti before it becomes a real problem. I still feel a little sore about the price tag and how soon it'll need repairs compared to my trusty 4 year old almost always on dabuddha. The Sublimator does pack the most punch per hit out of any vaporizer I've tried though, so I'd really like to keep it around.