The State Of Vaping - A True Vape Critic Question

[P.A.M.]

so I was watching the Vape Critic live stream today . Bud was talking (as he has many times over the past year or more) about the state of vaping or how nothing new and exciting is happening in the industry , how he is "meh" or bored about new product not being new "advancement" in the industry in his view . Bud says after 10 years of being the Vape Critic, he thinks he might not want to be it anymore . Perhaps he's right This thread is not to question The Vape Critic's behaviour but rather to put things in context from a industry professional opinion and to ask you , dear fellow FC members , do you share Vape Critic's opinion on the State of the vaping industry ? Do you find that nothing new or exciting and with no advancement or progress as come out in the last 1-2 years. Either it be vaporizers , Vape related accessories . Whatever?

What is the State of vaping now compared to 10 years ago ? I wasn't there back then but I would say more and more people get into it each year no ? With legalization happening anywhere and all ?

Or are we heading towards a Oil Carts and edible world? there will always be a demand for dry herb , How could there not be ?!?! Lol

I dont think this post is inflammatory or against forum rules , it's serious questions on a subject we all love, vaporising .

mod note: personal remarks removed

 

[Ramahs]

He can do what he wants. There is plenty of room to expand.

Don't get me wrong, there is going to be a "Budweiser" of the cannabis industry that will be the mainstream carts all the teenagers and 20-somethings use who don't give a shit. Hell, the THC (and probably not much else that originated from the Cannabis plant) in that sort of thing probably won't even come from actual cannabis plants by that point, but some sort of algae of something similar engineered to synthesize the THC molecule (there are already companies developing this).

All that being said, just like there is a boutique industry in the alcohol world for people that appreciate the finer produced beers, wines, and spirits, the same market will be there for cannabis (as long as legalization continues) enthusiasts.

I for one look forward to a local community cannabis growers group that has meetups and social events for us enthusiasts, like my friends in the local home-brewers clubs do now.

 

[MyCollie]

He can do what he wants. There is plenty of room to expand.

Don't get me wrong, there is going to be a "Budweiser" of the cannabis industry that will be the mainstream carts all the teenagers and 20-somethings use who don't give a shit.

All that being said, just like there is a boutique industry in the alcohol world for people that appreciate the finer produced beers, wines, and spirits, the same market will be there for cannabis (as long as legalization continues) enthusiasts.

I sure hope it works out this way. There’s more than enough room for both mainstream users and connoisseur
types. I definitely see the market flooding with terrible carts and pods as you mentioned.

 

[YaMon]

@Ramahs not to get off topic, but I never see my self relying on cartridges to get my medicine, it’s bad enough not to know what the plants been fed or treated with. I like the idea of growing many own someday, but do realize that mayvery well be more work than I would care or have time for. I think flower will be here for a long time to come, even if it is a bot like Vinyl vs CDs.

@P.A.M. I sort of agree with Bud, nothing earth shattering coming out. What is encouraging is the general quality of vapes, at least those that are or become popular on FC, is quite good. The differences now are become more like the differences between cars, more a matter of preference. I do really like what is coming out of the 510 ‘revolution’ and the recent increase in cooling stem popularity. One company that is really impressing me is @NewVape710. They’ve been very innovative and continue to engage the community, and the results speak for themselves.

 

[ginolicious]

If it’s not broken don’t fix it.

Take the volcano. Hasn’t changed in years and is still killing it and an exceptional device. Just need to make things a tad more efficient for newer vapes. But I don’t think o there is that much room for revolutionary products. All vapes are basically the same just minor designs. It’s like bongs. They all basically the same. They do the same shit. Only difference is some look different. Havemore perks for water. Ice catchers. Etc.

 

[P.A.M.]

@Ramahs - a "Budweiser" of all Oil cart , loll yeah , i fear you are right along with @MyCollife .

@YaMon , yah man, flower like vinyls ! Indeed growing does require love and care. Growing is one thing , growing quality buds is another.. .. I like your positive or encouraging views on the general quality of vapes having improved over years and the 510 revolution and cooling stems or tubes. We could say , The "techniques" are improving too ?

@ginolicious , yes , the volcano I thought about while writing original post . I do wonder if a certain peak plateau as been achieved but I do think there are still improvements being made or that could Be made for a more pleasurable, easy , quicker and/or effective extractions. Maybe a air forced portable volcano ? Lol

 

[ginolicious]

@Ramahs - a "Budweiser" of all Oil cart , loll yeah , i fear you are right along with @MyCollife .

@YaMon , yah man, flower like vinyls ! Indeed growing does require love and care. Growing is one thing , growing quality buds is another.. .. I like your positive or encouraging views on the general quality of vapes having improved over years and the 510 revolution and cooling stems or tubes. We could say , The "techniques" are improving too ?

@ginolicious , yes , the volcano I thought about while writing original post . I do wonder if a certain peak plateau as been achieved but I do think there are still improvements being made or that could Be made for a more pleasurable, easy , quicker and/or effective extractions. Maybe a air forced portable volcano ? Lol

Yeah you could do that. But vapir did that on their Rise 2.0 model. Not the exact same as a volcano. But does balloons. So it’s quite similar.

 

[arb]

I see the same guy release a remake of an existing vape after all the meh,no new advancements complaints and it makes me think............lolz.

 

[jardri]

Well I don´t think so. The Volcano for example was a great device and for some medical patients it is good but for me its not useful. It is not efficient and it does not deliver the taste I seek. It is like an ancient Dodge Charger. A big bulky engine with lots of power but any modern car is more usable and can get much more from less HP.

I see improvements everyday in vaping but I think that most user´s mentality is what really slows the process. Vapcaps have three years now but they are getting the general consensus extremely late. 510 vapes are edging right now and will be the big thing in the next years. On-demand convection is the connosieur´s favourite but for a noob its almost an utopy because they dont have the experience to fully extract the herbs. They say it tastes like popcorn and stop vaping leaving all the heavy buzz still in the herbs. Then they go back to combustion because vaping doesnt get them high.

The future is in regulated convection on demand portables but that is not an easy task. We have seen the epic failure of the Haze Square which I think is a great vape which can fully extract but it needs some user tinkering and his battery life and cleaning are a joke. The Ghost MV1 has had better luck but its an underperforming unit and its extremely difficult to fully extract with it. It is bulky and ugly (for me) and extremely expensive. Also 510 devices need to find some good heating elements because standard ecig resistances are shitty, dangerous and taste gross. Most users wont have the time to tinker and make custom resistances.

As I understand the endgame performance would be a Flowerpot or similar (herborizer, sublimator, etc..) because they can get a really dense vapor in one hit which is ultimately what gets you the highest. You can vape 0,10 gr in 30 minutes on an Arizer device and feel much less high than 0,10 gr in 2 hits of the flowerpot because density of the vapor and potency of the herb are what really matter in getting high and in the peak of how high you can get.

A regular user will never get to learn that lesson and may think vapes are less efficient or less pleasing than smoking just because this person is not getting what he wants due to confusing marketing and popular misbeliefs.

So what the next years should bring us is: Desktop with Flowerpot performance but much less hazardous and in a whole package with quick heating time. Portable regulated on-demand with full extraction, high power output, decent battery life and tiny size. Better cooling systems for the vapor to be smooth and fresh. Low manteinance and almost no cleaning for any vape (the better the extraction the lesser the cleaning).

Sorry for the long read I got inspired xD

 

[John Coaltrain]

. . . Portable regulated on-demand with full extraction, high power output, decent battery life and tiny size. . .

Sounds like a Fury 2.

 

[P.A.M.]

Sorry for the long read I got inspired xD

No no , please don't be sorry ! Thats what this is about ; being inspired and inspiring others as there must be good in today's industry even if not life changing .. your post is inlightening and was a really great read , thank you !

You bring out many valid points. is vapcap only 3 years old ? The M is 3, that I know . That isn't really old. And dynavap released their concentrate coil recently which isn't for me but is a nice add-on to a dryherb vape. I think that's newish and cool .

I know in the 2-3 short years I have been vaping. I've seen quite a jump in advancements or at least valid attempts to in those years alone either it be from manufacturers or craft builders.

 

[jardri]

Sounds like a Fury 2.

I do have one and i would set it closer to an argo it doesnt have enough power to really be on demand, it is a session vape for me.


@P.A.M. My ti woody xls is 2 and a little years old and it was bought before the M was released. They have released 3 versions in 2 years. Thank you for your kind thoughts!

 

[pakalolo]

I just edited @P.A.M.'s opening post and deleted two comments that are not appropriate. It is fair to discuss @VCBud's opinions but not Bud himself. Stick to the state of vaping, please. Thanks for your cooperation.

 

[Meditation]

If it’s not broken don’t fix it.

amen to that.
I was in New York in 2017 for a week got myself on Craigslist and tried all the contacts and after a few back and forth emails met a lovely man called bobby. I bought one of everything he had as edibles and cartridges. There was 3 types of cartridges I think a sunshine something or other, a ghost one and a blue dream one I think, and I have to say I wasn’t that impressed by any of them (I realise he could of made them but they were all packaged properly and looked legit). I get the stealth side of things that’s great in a pinch, I was tooting next to a policeman in Times Square at the top of the Empire State Building and anywhere that took my fancy but as for using all the time....not a fucking chance! I like ganja, I like eating it, and I like vaping it. Whatever they use to make the cartridges PG/VG whatever it is it ain’t ganja and that just doesn’t sit right with me. (Everybody has different tastes)
As far as I’m concerned a vapcap and a IH heater is the future, it does it all flower and concentrates it’s clean, flavourful and can even be discreet if need be. Im off work today so when I got back from walking the dogs I thought I’d have a early morning vape,so I loaded the vapcap with some flower with a little bubble sandwiched between, popped it in my fluxer...had two hits and am currently melting into my sofa! Not even sure what the question was now! So as been said already if it ain’t broke don’t fix it!

Peace love and

 

[P.A.M.]

am currently melting into my sofa! Not even sure what the question was now!

legend

Question was "state of vaping" where it's at, did vaporizing performances hit a peak as far as advancement, where it's going , etc. .

You did answer well, from what I read you will always use or need a dry herb Vape even if you might use a oil cart from time to time .

Are you cool with your vapcap for life ? do you think vaporizers in general have no room for perfection anymore? or that new vapes in last year or two have not improved over their successors ?

I think it's important to talk good of vaporising and not shit on the industry . Especially to encourage and give example to new comers. vaporising is fun and does work !

In 2019 we are a fast evolving market kind. When is the iPhone 18 coming out again? Oh , we are ONLY up to 11 ... right. . Well when is 12 scheduled for release ??ahhhh.. seems we (some) think vapor or vaporizers should follow same rythme in advancement as other technologies . Yet vaping is a science or as laws of physics or something involved , not that easy a task ..

Then you look at Zippo users and collectors. They don't complain that the shape hasn't changed over year. Lol they love the clic, the performance, maybe the smell even . I'm sure same can be said about other crafts, hobbies, Lifestyles or else. Zippo must know that you don't fix what ain't broken and that loyal and true Zippo user won't shit on them for it .

 

[Meditation]

Are you cool with your vapcap for life ?

Well...at the moment yes but you can never say never. When I gave up tabbaco I tried and owned various vapes then I tried my first dab on a proper rig and thought fuck me this is the way forward and I only consumed oil for about 2 1/2 years (I think it really helped kicking tabac...I was too fucking gonzoed to care!). And at the time I could never see me going back to flower! Then I started using the oil to make caps and thought fuck me this is the way forward and starting dabbing less and capping more! But I missed the flavour and sniffing the grinder upon opening after grinding a lovely nug,so I looked about on here and saw the vapcap thread....I read the fucking lot (1100 odd pages at the time!)read that thread and you can see the evolution of where we are today, I ordered the M and when it arrivedi thought fuck me way forward again!it took me about a week to really fall in love with it. But fall in love I did. Good hits that taste like the flower smells, I can’t see how that can be improved? But like I said you can never say never!
Any vape that delivers the full flavour of the flower and can extract fully is a winner in my book,but where the vapcap steals it for me is the ease of cleaning and the all metal air path. There may be changes but it will essentially still be a vapcap.
I managed to peel myself from the sofa and gave the van a service so I think I deserve another bowl!


TL;DR
We peaked!

Peace love and

 

[analytika]

Isn't the bulk of flower still combusted?

What cannabis shops are really putting vapes forward aggressively? The right ones.

Seems early days

 

[arb]

As a producer slash retailer turning your clientele on to vaping kind of works against your bottom line...........lolz.

 

[John Coaltrain]

As a producer slash retailer turning your clientele on to vaping kind of works against your bottom line...........lolz.

I think you're right for the most part – but have you been over to the DynaVap thread lately? Whenever those guys aren't too busy taking photos of their new stems, they're lining up to purchase yet more new ones (and a seemingly infinite number of 'e$$ential' accessories).

"I want the purple one" . . . "I want the blue one" . . . "I want the purple and blue one. . . " . . . " I want the purple one, the blue one, and the purple and blue one" . . . ​

There doesn't seem to be a bottom line with those DynaVaporites.

 

[arb]

We do appear to be watching a cult unfold...........lolz.

 

[John Coaltrain]

We do appear to be watching a cult unfold...........lolz.

It's like I always say:

Where's the fun in not joining at least one cult during one's lifetime?​

OK, I don't always say that. I usually say:

You joined a cult? Dude! What the fuck? Not cool!​

 

[Ramahs]

It's like I always say:

Where's the fun in not joining at least one cult during one's lifetime?​

OK, I don't always say that. I usually say:

You joined a cult? Dude! What the fuck? Not cool!​

I spent 14 years growing up in a cult. I do not recommend it

 

[Madri-Gal]

I spent 14 years growing up in a cult. I do not recommend it

@Ramahs, that just breaks my heart. That is a very sad thing.

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

IMO there is plenty things that can be improved with vaporizers. Although a part of the future of vaporization is bound to the technology,i think that most room for improvement is in the materials used building and facilitating that technology. There are very few vaporizers that dont have wire insulation,soldier,silicone or other inferior materials in the airpath. We have just started to have vaporizers/vaporizing surfaces being made from cool ceramics like Zirconia,and various precious stones like Sapphire ,Ruby. and what about SiC and others from its class.
After using all glass and hybrid SS/Glass airpaths (no wires,no soldier,no bullshit) vaporizers for a while (which are all DIYs) i can for sure say that the future belongs to Purity ! There is plenty of tech that works great ,but the greatness gets spoiled by the materials in the airpath.
On a sidenote i wanna mention the RoHs thing. There is RoHs TEFLON, plastic,glue,flux and plenty other shit which will still give you cancer if used in high heat media.
Here is the definition below.
The definition and aim of the RoHS directive is quite simple. The RoHS directive aims to restrict certain dangerous substances commonly used in electronic and electronic equipment. Any RoHS compliant component is tested for the presence of Lead (Pb), Cadmium (Cd), Mercury (Hg), Hexavalent chromium (Hex-Cr), Polybrominated biphenyls (PBB), and Polybrominated diphenyl ethers (PBDE). For Cadmium and Hexavalent chromium, there must be less than 0.01% of the substance by weight at raw homogeneous materials level. For Lead, PBB, and PBDE, there must be no more than 0.1% of the material, when calculated by weight at raw homogeneous materials. Any RoHS compliant component must have 100 ppm or less of mercury and the mercury must not have been intentionally added to the component. In the EU, some military and medical equipment are exempt from RoHS compliance.

@ginolicious You think the Volcano is perfect but in my eyes it can be plenty improved. They can make it not sound like a coffee grinder, shrink the size a bit, get rid of all the plastics,the aluminum heater,upgrade the airblowing mechanism ,cause in the current state is it a greased air pump that has a sponge filter to keep grease and partifcles from the air. Never really digged the bag thing mainly because of the noise they make,it is high frequency and is really annoying when senses are sharpened ,maybe change that to some kind of soft material like silk/ ultra thin carbon fiber.

We also have seen very few smart vaporizers on the market,most of them are jus trying to mimic smart functions or the ones they have are very limited. How about being able to talk with your vaporizer about how you want your vapor delivered .... did imagine already "Train your vape" scenarios,lol. ...

I know this is a bit far stretched,but how about ECO friendly vaporizers, than can harness power from nature or be powered by human force. Also being made of ecofriendly and biodegradable materials. The majority of vaporizers are made of plastic, have soldier,batteries,etcc all of those have a very bad impact on nature.

Vaporizers in the future are going to be so cool that not only there will be super high tech ones,but most of the appliences with have them in-built . For example the car lighter or JETPACK/UFO lighter(whatever people are driving then) with an inbuilt induction heater for dynavaps. A robo wife with in-built e-nail in her head and water filtration in her breast... Just suck her nipples and puff some clouds.. ,there also will be an option for change-able flavor-tips like the OG vaporblunt,lol...

 

[jardri]

Vaporizers in the future are going to be so cool that not only there will be super high tech ones,but most of the appliences with have them in-built . For example the car lighter or JETPACK/UFO lighter(whatever people are driving then) with an inbuilt induction heater for dynavaps. A robo wife with in-built e-nail in her head and water filtration in her breast... Just suck her nipples and puff some clouds.. ,there also will be an option for change-able flavor-tips like the OG vaporblunt,lol...

I want to live in your future and have a robo-wife too. And if I have to choose between my wife and a robo wife... who knows... I can´t pull cloud from my wife´s..