Discontinued The Splinter by RBT

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[QUOTE="Konstantinos, post: 1380273, member:



Explain the feeling please..


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My feeling started from your name...
What do you think, if you see a name like "Giannis" or "Michalis" ?

 

[Monk Debate]

Hi all,
I got my first splinter about a month or so ago. At first there was a little struggle to get the mod set up properly and dial in settings. Once I was able to get my settings locked in, I moved on to dealing with the hot vapor and glass. I originally used the stock stem but quickly switched over to the junior xl8tr. That said, even with the xl8tr, the vapor could get warmer than I preferred but I also noticed that if I was in a session, the glass would get uncomfortably hot which was actually the biggest issue for me. I also have a few long xl8tr cooling stems that works really well to minimize glass warmth but the added length on an already long setup wasn't ideal for me.

I've been running my setup now for about 3 weeks and I feel comfortable sharing now as I have put it through the paces.

This is just a dynavap fat mouthpiece that I slid into the junior xl8tr cooling stem. This works wonderfully. It helps mitigate heat further but not to the point where its completely gone. I need a little heat feedback to know when to let off the button in wattage mode. Its also easier to put your mouth around the mouthpiece vs glass stem due to the nipple design of the fat mp. Additionally, this also insulates the glass warmth from your lips. Furthermore, if my friends use the splinter, I simply replace the fat MP with another one for their exclusive use during that session. The MP stays firmly in place as well unless you want it off and if you want it shorter, you can trim some of it off. I use this stem setup on all of my RBT vapes and the tubo.

Some of you may already have the parts to give this a try. If so, please do and let me know your thoughts. It's truly changed my experience with the splinter and I sincerely hope some of you get some utility out of this as well.

I don’t have the Jr yet but I decided to try it in the full size XL8R. I don’t know if the Jr is a smaller diameter or you stretched the fat mouthpiece, but in mind the mouthpiece fit inside the top of the stem instead of of over it.

I found it harder to gauge when the vapor was getting hot, so a few times I got a nice mouthful of hot vapor. Most of the time though it did help to additionally cool the vapor and I took bigger hits as a result.

The taste does take a hit but it’s not the worst I’ve ever tried. I will try the fat mouthpiece with the Jr once it arrives!

 

[sickmanfraud]

I want be more on point, SE Europe...

I thought the first qualifier was SE Med?

I am at the confluence of Africa and Asia.

The taste does take a hit but it’s not the worst I’ve ever tried. I will try the fat mouthpiece with the Jr once it arrives!

The only time I had an issue of the glass on the Jr getting hot was when I used (tried to use it?) the Jr during a "cruise" on my Tubo. For a few hits here and there or even if you finish a stem in one sitting the Jr is Great and you will not believe the difference a few dimples make in the heat.

 

[flammy]

I don’t have the Jr yet but I decided to try it in the full size XL8R. I don’t know if the Jr is a smaller diameter or you stretched the fat mouthpiece, but in mind the mouthpiece fit inside the top of the stem instead of of over it.

I found it harder to gauge when the vapor was getting hot, so a few times I got a nice mouthful of hot vapor. Most of the time though it did help to additionally cool the vapor and I took bigger hits as a result.

The taste does take a hit but it’s not the worst I’ve ever tried. I will try the fat mouthpiece with the Jr once it arrives!

It does fit inside the stem rather than over the stem. Sorry if I was confusing on that.

The full-sized xl8tr does the perfect job of cooling vapor and keeping the tip of the mouthpiece glass cool. I have a few but they are just a little too long for me as I personally prefer the shorter length of the junior. This said, the major drawback when using the MP on the long cooling stem that I noticed was exactly what you're experiencing. It did well enough with the heat mitigation that I no longer had any feedback to prevent combustion. If you don't mind the length of the long xl8tr cooling stem, its the perfect solution (without fat mp).

The taste does takes a minor hit since you do have a silicon piece in your mouth but very minor imo. For me this was just better than the tape solution that I've seen some employing. This certainly isn't for everyone as some of what I am trying to deal with stems from personal preferences and I do run my splinter in long enough sessions to where the glass gets noticeably warm/hot. Also, I don't want to give the impression that the junior xl8tr doesn't work well without the fat mp. It is a massive improvement over the standard stem and to be fair, the issues that the fat mp is mitigating for me is also present in the standard stem but just much more pronounced.

 

[Vape weed everyday]

I find dynavap high is more rounded i feel stoned whereas Splinter gives me like an arizer solo high but stronger I feel a buzz if that makes sense.

That moment when you get a big hit and it stops you in your tracks and you say whoa... I don't know if it's the heat in your chest or the THC but I like it.

One thing I find in the omni i finish what I laod the thought of saving hits for later never entered my mind, with the splinter I do sometimes put it down and come back to it later, letting the heat in your chest dissipate means you can take the next hit nicely if you take a couple mins break.

 

[Mangu]

Hi all,
I got my first splinter about a month or so ago. At first there was a little struggle to get the mod set up properly and dial in settings. Once I was able to get my settings locked in, I moved on to dealing with the hot vapor and glass. I originally used the stock stem but quickly switched over to the junior xl8tr. That said, even with the xl8tr, the vapor could get warmer than I preferred but I also noticed that if I was in a session, the glass would get uncomfortably hot which was actually the biggest issue for me. I also have a few long xl8tr cooling stems that works really well to minimize glass warmth but the added length on an already long setup wasn't ideal for me.

I've been running my setup now for about 3 weeks and I feel comfortable sharing now as I have put it through the paces.

This is just a dynavap fat mouthpiece that I slid into the junior xl8tr cooling stem. This works wonderfully. It helps mitigate heat further but not to the point where its completely gone. I need a little heat feedback to know when to let off the button in wattage mode. Its also easier to put your mouth around the mouthpiece vs glass stem due to the nipple design of the fat mp. Additionally, this also insulates the glass warmth from your lips. Furthermore, if my friends use the splinter, I simply replace the fat MP with another one for their exclusive use during that session. The MP stays firmly in place as well unless you want it off and if you want it shorter, you can trim some of it off. I use this stem setup on all of my RBT vapes and the tubo.

Some of you may already have the parts to give this a try. If so, please do and let me know your thoughts. It's truly changed my experience with the splinter and I sincerely hope some of you get some utility out of this as well.

Really awesome idea! I tried it and I love the fact that my cheap Xl8r jr can’t burn my lips anymore! I have to admit I’m one of those peoples that hates the idea of sucking on the silicone sleeve. But damnit I like the tapered mouth piece and I love not burning my lips....reminds me of those mvt tips I’ve seen around the wed. Does anyone know if those stems will fit into an RBT joint?

 

[Vape weed everyday]

My fat mouthpiece dosnet fit my XL8R.

I have turn it upside down and then it sits in there but I don't like it like that.

Also I tried putting in a screen to do like an elbow pack then use the basket screen as a cap but I can't get the screen to sit nicely.

 

[vapviking]

Also I tried putting in a screen to do like an elbow pack then use the basket screen as a cap but I can't get the screen to sit nicely.

This is what I've also wanted to try, a screen down inside the stem, and the load could be capped with a basket screen.

Can someone pls get specific about screen size and how to install it down in there?

 

[gooroo]

This is what I've also wanted to try, a screen down inside the stem, and the load could be capped with a basket screen.

Can someone pls get specific about screen size and how to install it down in there?

I don't know about the Xl8r stem but with the stock stem, the inside dimension tapers open to about 13-14mm at the step. I just took a larger screen and cut with a pair of scissors until it fit nicely in the stem right on the step. You'll have to fold it ever so slightly to get it in the narrow opening of stem but it opens up inside and you can massage it into place. Works well for me.

 

[flammy]

My fat mouthpiece dosnet fit my XL8R.

I have turn it upside down and then it sits in there but I don't like it like that.

Also I tried putting in a screen to do like an elbow pack then use the basket screen as a cap but I can't get the screen to sit nicely.

Are you using a custom junior or a standard one. I'm using a standard and not sure if there is a difference between the two. Although, tolerance on these glass stems some can play a factor especially on the mp end and for the ID. The joint is really the part that needs to be exact.

I don't know about the Xl8r stem but with the stock stem, the inside dimension tapers open to about 13-14mm at the step. I just took a larger screen and cut with a pair of scissors until it fit nicely in the stem right on the step. You'll have to fold it ever so slightly to get it in the narrow opening of stem but it opens up inside and you can massage it into place. Works well for me.

This is exactly what I did too. Full disclosure it took 2 tries for me but my local shop just gives me screens when I go in there since I buy so much stuff from them. But they can be had for really cheap as well so it didn't pain me to waste a screen.

This solution didn't work out to well for me though. I found that having the herb placed between the screens required more power to evenly extract. I think this is due to the herb being further from the heater and the extra metal that is now in the air path. This isn't ideal when I'm out and about with my Mi2 and it also required a different technique. I really wish this would work because my Mi2 gets a lot of herb caught in the recess of the heater screen's rim. I'm OCD about keeping stuff clean so this bothers me to no end. That said, its a minor annoyance in a sea of positive aspects.

There are a couple of dosing capsule options that can be considered too although in my experience, they also require a little more power (not quite as much since on hit 2 and after, there will also be conductive heating via the metal capsule) and the taste is a little affected. The tubo roasting tube would be my very very very top choice (even more so than the junior xl8tr with fat MP). They sell a spikey stem insert (Charlie Glass) that goes into the tube so that you're getting a purer airpath. It also accepts S&B capsules. Unfortunately mine is used as a dynavap stem since its so effective...yes, the tip of the tube can also accept a dynavap tip. I love this tube and stem option and will be ordering more with my next order from Ralph.

Mistvape just released a RBT compatible stem that accepts the dosing caps that is compatible with the Imp. It just got released so I don't have any experience with this one but it is an option.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Made some purple heart stems in 19 mm that hold our dosing caps. This isn't the best spot for this post but it's a one off
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxfOZkMgbDW/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=4hkb5itm1kk0

 

[Konstantinos]

My feeling started from your name...
What do you think, if you see a name like "Giannis" or "Michalis" ?

That he is from the same country as I am.. In G....lish, ela re patrioth!

One reason there's so much variation in recommended TCR values is that people also tweak their cold ohms settings, and both of these are factors in the mod's calculation of the coil temp in TC mode.

You can see this in the formula that relates resistance, temperature, and TCR. Rearranging the terms from the formula here, you get:

T2 = T1 + [(R2 - R1) / (TCR x R1)]

Where R1 and T1 are baseline resistance (in ohms) and temperature (in Celsius), R2 is the resistance at the higher temperature, and T2 is the temperature readout of the mod (again in Celsius). In other words, the mod uses this formula to "guess" at the current coil temperature.

Both TCR and R1 are in the denominator of the second right-hand term, so increasing the value of either one will decrease the calculated value of the current temperature, which will make the mod keep feeding current to the coil until it reaches your designated temperature. In other words, increasing either your TCR or your base resistance will make your coil hotter for any given temp readout. (Also note that increasing R1 not only increases the denominator of the right-hand term, it decreases the numerator, so it has a kind of double whammy effect on the calculated temp.)

Of course the accuracy of this formula depends on using accurate values: in other words, your TCR really is your temperature coefficient of resistance, and R1 really is your measured cold ohms. If you use another value for cold ohms, all bets are off about whether the TCR value that works well for you is anywhere close to your actual temperature coefficient of resistance.

Practically speaking, it doesn't really matter if you change the TCR value, or the cold ohms setting, or both, in order to tweak the relationship between actual and calculated temp. And of course you can also just reset your target temp higher or lower to accommodate any error in the calculated temp. But if people aren't using their measured cold ohms value, then comparing TCR values across different setups is apples to oranges.

No less an authority than @HerbieVonVapster counsels people here not to deviate from their measured cold ohms setting for this very reason! So ideally I guess we'd all just be tinkering with our TCR values, and maybe that would eventually narrow the range of suggested TCRs. On the other hand, there are so many other sources of error in calculating the temp -- the "cold" temperature setting, the assumption of a linear relationship between TCR and temp (which can be relaxed with TFR files), variations in the splinters themselves, and then just figuring out whether the coil's behavior suggests it's actually at a certain temp (since we have no way of independently measuring temp unless we get crazy with thermocouples) -- that there's probably no getting around each of us having to tweak our own setup, using others' settings as a starting point. But if people are going to share their TCR values, it might also be useful to know whether they tweaked their cold ohms value and by how much.

It is helpful as you analyze it. Meanwhile I do not know if you and the rest of the people here realize that instead of enjoying our Splinter we get to over analyze and search it? Shouldn't be less complicated and learn it using the wattage mode only? We all expect and want the same results. But too much research to have a bowl of herbs is not relaxing but stressing..

A small parenthesis. I started with Arizer Extreme Q, moved to Solo 2, then Dynavap, got the Starry that I sold, Fury 2 and the Splinter. I think the Extreme Q and Dynavap till now gave me the best hit. Splinter too but I need some more time to figure out.
My opinion is that firstly matters what you vape and after the vaporizer you use. For sure when comes to enjoyment I prefer simplicity. Enough with my ecig making coils every day to have the perfect hit. Not with my vaporizers too. We lose the matter..

 

[Alex3oe]

As much as you're enjoying searching for the perfect ecig hit, I'm enjoying searching the best vape - settings -stem-material combo for the perfect vaping experience

 

[chrhall]

This is what I've also wanted to try, a screen down inside the stem, and the load could be capped with a basket screen.

Can someone pls get specific about screen size and how to install it down in there?

I took a screen that I got from my Sticky Brick Jr, fits perfect and doesn’t move unless I want it to. Just fold it slightly to get it through the opening and push in place with a toothpick.

 

[tonuzzi]

Hi all,
I got my first splinter about a month or so ago. At first there was a little struggle to get the mod set up properly and dial in settings. Once I was able to get my settings locked in, I moved on to dealing with the hot vapor and glass. I originally used the stock stem but quickly switched over to the junior xl8tr. That said, even with the xl8tr, the vapor could get warmer than I preferred but I also noticed that if I was in a session, the glass would get uncomfortably hot which was actually the biggest issue for me. I also have a few long xl8tr cooling stems that works really well to minimize glass warmth but the added length on an already long setup wasn't ideal for me.

I've been running my setup now for about 3 weeks and I feel comfortable sharing now as I have put it through the paces.

This is just a dynavap fat mouthpiece that I slid into the junior xl8tr cooling stem. This works wonderfully. It helps mitigate heat further but not to the point where its completely gone. I need a little heat feedback to know when to let off the button in wattage mode. Its also easier to put your mouth around the mouthpiece vs glass stem due to the nipple design of the fat mp. Additionally, this also insulates the glass warmth from your lips. Furthermore, if my friends use the splinter, I simply replace the fat MP with another one for their exclusive use during that session. The MP stays firmly in place as well unless you want it off and if you want it shorter, you can trim some of it off. I use this stem setup on all of my RBT vapes and the tubo.

Some of you may already have the parts to give this a try. If so, please do and let me know your thoughts. It's truly changed my experience with the splinter and I sincerely hope some of you get some utility out of this as well.

I use that dynavap fat mouthpiece on my stock and xl8tr stems as well, works great IMO.

 

[cybrguy]

I use that dynavap fat mouthpiece on my stock and xl8tr stems as well, works great IMO.

I get what y'all are up to with this, but the reason why I put up with the fragility of glass is it's purity of taste and it's ability to (in the case of the cooling stem or a bent stem) cool the vapor by absorbing heat. Adding a hunk of silicone would kind of defeat the first purpose for me. Then, I am using the longer stem so it hasn't gotten warm enough to be an issue. And I only use it out as I use water at home.

 

[sickmanfraud]

This is what I've also wanted to try, a screen down inside the stem, and the load could be capped with a basket screen.

Can someone pls get specific about screen size and how to install it down in there?

You take a 1-inch screen put it in the device from Delta3Dstudios: https://delta3dstudios.com/basket-screen-press-bp465/. This method seems to work best for me since the screen still wants to flatten out so that creates some extra friction making the screen stay in place better.

You can buy preformed screens from Delta3DStudios and @DDave.

 

[jbm]

So I just got this from the classifieds:

The seller says he thinks it’s one of the last USA made Splinters before RBT began outsourcing to China. Works great so far. What kind of wood is this? I’m guessing walnut.

It does sometimes sound like something’s a tiny bit loose in there; I don’t know that I’d call it a rattle but if I tap the side after brushing to knock crumbs out I hear it. From what I read here this isn’t a problem though.

There’s a star drawn on the box with the number 269 inside.

Hit it last night at 33 watts. Really nice. Amazing flavor, clouds, even color AVB. Now I’m thinking about buying a v2, dear god...

 

[flammy]

I get what y'all are up to with this, but the reason why I put up with the fragility of glass is it's purity of taste and it's ability to (in the case of the cooling stem or a bent stem) cool the vapor by absorbing heat. Adding a hunk of silicone would kind of defeat the first purpose for me. Then, I am using the longer stem so it hasn't gotten warm enough to be an issue. And I only use it out as I use water at home.

I totally understand. I am a flavor chaser myself so this was something that I took into consideration. In my experience, I can sometimes taste the silicon mp in my mouth but I don't feel like the vapor quality or taste is affected much by the use of the fat mp.

This said, this solution is definitely not for everyone. I am notorious for breaking glass and if I use the long stem, it will break and then the replacement will break and so on and so on. As mentioned, I do beleive that the long stem without a fat mp is the ideal setup in terms of stem warmth and flavor.

The short cooling stems just gets a little too warm for me to put my lips around sometimes and I find that my unwillingness to place my lips on that hot stem results in bad draw technique for some reason.

 

[Summer]

It does sometimes sound like something’s a tiny bit loose in there; I don’t know that I’d call it a rattle but if I tap the side after brushing to knock crumbs out I hear it. From what I read here this isn’t a problem though.

Not a problem. Just the mica
insulator rattling.

 

[VGOODIEZ]

So I just got this from the classifieds:

The seller says he thinks it’s one of the last USA made Splinters before RBT began outsourcing to China. Works great so far. What kind of wood is this? I’m guessing walnut.

It does sometimes sound like something’s a tiny bit loose in there; I don’t know that I’d call it a rattle but if I tap the side after brushing to knock crumbs out I hear it. From what I read here this isn’t a problem though.

There’s a star drawn on the box with the number 269 inside.

Hit it last night at 33 watts. Really nice. Amazing flavor, clouds, even color AVB. Now I’m thinking about buying a v2, dear god...

Yep it's a walnut and yes probably one of the last of the custom splinters in walnut possibly but I still have bubinga available including hi flow models.

Congratulations on your pickup. Let us know we can help and if you have questions on the V2. If you buy from me (which if you are in the USA is probably your only option because I don't know that sneaky Pete or PIU have the v2 yet) don't forget to use the FC discount code in my signature so we can save you some $$.

 

[Alex3oe]

Grab this custom high flow version as long as you can get one, it's really something special!

 

[jbm]

Yep it's a walnut and yes probably one of the last of the custom splinters in walnut possibly but I still have bubinga available including hi flow models.

Congratulations on your pickup. Let us know we can help and if you have questions on the V2. If you buy from me (which if you are in the USA is probably your only option because I don't know that sneaky Pete or PIU have the v2 yet) don't forget to use the FC discount code in my signature so we can save you some $$.

Thanks, good to know. When I'm ready for the v2 I'll definitely buy from you, you've been very helpful to me, and I appreciate it.

 

[Grifo]

Waiting on what can be done with my custom splinter hi flo that cracked on me this weekend. I doubt they are going to fix it. Which is a bummer since I didn't drop it.

I probably will not buy another rbt product with glass. Luckily I have other vapes while I wait.

 

[VGOODIEZ]

Waiting on what can be done with my custom splinter hi flo that cracked on me this weekend. I doubt they are going to fix it. Which is a bummer since I didn't drop it.

I probably will not buy another rbt product with glass. Luckily I have other vapes while I wait.

I am awaiting as well. That said the warranty coverage is clear.

https://www.rastabuddhatao.com/Articles.asp?ID=269

Glass is covered for 30 days and you are well beyond that. You have the thick German glass so it really should be very resilient to breakage so your case is interesting. One thing that is sometimes a problem is people twisting stems instead of rocking them loose which is the best practice. Also putting cold stems in a warm splinter can cause problems.

I do hope RBT can find the time to replace this for you as German glass is replaceable but it's not a warranty situation. And please understand that there are a a lot of variables that go into broken glass and most are due to drops.

I wanted to address this here as i feel there is valuable information for others to know what is covered and what is not.

And to put a personal example on this I have been using RBT products for years. I have probably owned more products than anyone else out there. All different types of glass and all different types of units/stems. Only once did I ever break glass and it was 100% my fault. I hastily put it away in a cabinet and it was not secure. When I opened the door later the mod slipped out and crashed to the hardwood floor. Maybe I am just lucky but I have not had issues with the glass like some. It is true that you need to be careful though so it is not for everyone.

I will follow up Ryan again on this one.