Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

[PhotoRider]

@THC SCIENTIFIC
Thoughts as to why my Hercules will stop heating randomly between uses? Disassembling and reassembling fixes the issue but it'll crop up again once in a while. I made sure it wasn't a battery power or adjustment plate issue already. I'm assuming something power wise is losing contact somewhere...

Also what type and size screens are people using when putting flowers on the oil coil?

The issue is the center contact of the screw in the SS tube base collar and the adapter it fits into.
Try backing the screw out a little and/or not tightening the rod retainer sleeve down as much. You may need to push the screw out a little too. This is the screw with the teflon washer opposite side of the rod retainer sleeve and the retainer screws into it...

I have found this connection can become intermittent if tightened too much or in too far. If SS cart w/o the adapter/outer sleeve always works directly screwed into the Persei this is another sign.

 

[SlideOrDie]

@THC SCIENTIFIC

Sorry I wasn't around earlier/today to meet you on Skype... My buddy forgot his damn SR71 when he came over today... That and my replacement bottom connector is still in customs, I think it's cleared now hopefully...

Hopefully my replacement stuff will be here tomorrow or tuesday and you'll be available for Skype then?

I can't wait to get this beast up and running

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

@THC SCIENTIFIC

Sorry I wasn't around earlier/today to meet you on Skype... My buddy forgot his damn SR71 when he came over today... That and my replacement bottom connector is still in customs, I think it's cleared now hopefully...

Hopefully my replacement stuff will be here tomorrow or tuesday and you'll be available for Skype then?

I can't wait to get this beast up and running

No worries if I'm around ill respond.

 

[Mynameismud]

@THC SCIENTIFIC
Thoughts as to why my Hercules will stop heating randomly between uses? Disassembling and reassembling fixes the issue but it'll crop up again once in a while. I made sure it wasn't a battery power or adjustment plate issue already. I'm assuming something power wise is losing contact somewhere...

Also what type and size screens are people using when putting flowers on the oil coil?

By stop heating randomly, do you mean you heat it up and all of a sudden it cuts off? Because there is a timer cut off I believe after around 20-30 seconds with mine at least.

If you mean youll go to press the button and it lights up butthe hercules doesnt seem to get hot Ive experienced that a few times...

 

[Caligula]

By stop heating randomly, do you mean you heat it up and all of a sudden it cuts off? Because there is a timer cut off I believe after around 20-30 seconds with mine at least.

If you mean youll go to press the button and it lights up butthe hercules doesnt seem to get hot Ive experienced that a few times...

It would be that latter of the two. I'll use it, put the unit away, take it out later, and it won't heat up like it did an hour ago or whenever.

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

@THC SCIENTIFIC
Thoughts as to why my Hercules will stop heating randomly between uses? Disassembling and reassembling fixes the issue but it'll crop up again once in a while. I made sure it wasn't a battery power or adjustment plate issue already. I'm assuming something power wise is losing contact somewhere...

Also what type and size screens are people using when putting flowers on the oil coil?

This happens when the Herc expands and contracts. The rod might move out if alignment. The pins might move. This is the only possible explanation.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

This happens when the Herc expands and contracts. The rod might move out if alignment. The pins might move. This is the only possible explanation.

this is why i hit my rod and collar w/ a lighter/torch for a few 'til it's nice and hot and THEN tighten it. never slips

 

[Caligula]

Brilliant!

 

[ataxian]

Brilliant!

This is pretty basic however I got to do!

Wax is so high priced in OC!

Vacuum purging on the down low:

Cheap set up!




Time to load this beast!

 

[Caligula]

So jealous

 

[ataxian]

So jealous

Today was PLATIUM OG tomorrow GOD'S GIFT!
WAX FORM!

Time for a afternoon nap!

 

[Happyendin21]

Sorry i didn't get back on here till today. I was tied up all weekend with prior plans. Talked to G on friday when i was on here with my spring issues.. It turns out the battery was to blame i got a battery with a bad wrapper... I had ordered 2 sets of these AW's so i used the spare set and this is what i am experiencing.
very inconsistent puffs..... In fact the only way i get vapor is straight of the button push and then nothing.... I can slow draw while holding the button, pulsing the button, JUMPING ON THE BUTTON!!! and hear the oil getting overcooked while no vapor comes out. However, randomly the cart will produce a big puff of vapor with a sherlock puff. In fact the only way i can get meds out of the herc is to take these dramatic sherlock puffs for as long as i can manage and then blow out half a nail hit....
So i have tried these things

Fully charged AW batteries.
Cut the coil 60/40 for my wax ( G says 30 % for shatter) which i have tried as well..
Dis-assemble and Re-assemble the cart half a doze times.
have gotten used to running the herc with no ptfe sleeve installed to make sure there is no airflow issue with the SS top.
Loaded with .4 as buffer
Added more wax .4 little by little ( I get lots of viscous oil during heating, as it is all over the SS top cap and in the mouthpiece. Even though i try to draw slowly.
So i guess my troubleshooting has come to a stop for the moment. or has the vaping even begun? doesn't sound like im having the same results.
ALSO I am up to speed on the thread.. Thanks for putting together the big post with all the steps involved with getting the herc off the ground btw. MIND BLOWN.... Still think w9 has the best customer service around! Just wish I didn't need so much help to get this thing working

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

Sorry i didn't get back on here till today. I was tied up all weekend with prior plans. Talked to G on friday when i was on here with my spring issues.. It turns out the battery was to blame i got a battery with a bad wrapper... I had ordered 2 sets of these AW's so i used the spare set and this is what i am experiencing.
very inconsistent puffs.......... Iin fact the only way i get vapor is straight of the button push and then nothing.... I can slow draw while holding the button, pulsing the button, JUMPING ON THE BUTTON!!! and hear the oil getting overcooked while no vapor comes out. However, randomly the cart will produce a big puff of vapor with a sherlock puff. In fact the only way i can get meds out of the herc is to take these dramatic sherlock puffs for as long as i can manage and then blow out half a nail hit....
So i have tried these things

Fully charged AW batteries.
Cut the coil 60/40 for my wax ( G says 30 % for shatter) which i have tried as well..
Dis-assemble and Re-assemble the cart half a doze times.
have gotten used to running the herc with no ptfe sleeve installed to make sure there is no airflow issue with the SS top.
Loaded with .4 as buffer
Added more wax .4 little by little ( I get lots of viscous oil during heating, as it is all over the SS top cap and in the mouthpiece. Even though i try draw slowly.
So i guess my troubleshooting has come to a stop for the moment. or has the vaping even begun? doesn't sound like im having the same results.
ALSO I am up to speed on the thread.. Thanks for putting together the big post with all the steps involved with getting the herc off the ground btw. MIND BLOWN....

Can you show me how the coil sits in the tube? The 40/60 cut while using the 40 side has to be about 2mm above the ceramic rod.

Depending on your oils some waxes might need a 30 coil as that is what we discovered when I was in San Diego.

 

[Atomsk]

Still think w9 has the best customer service around! Just wish I didn't need so much help to get this thing working

I think loading the coil in chamber is a source of problems. You can't see saturation occurring or not, and oil can easily run along the sides of the chamber to the air-holes. Try loading .4 while the coil is on a glass surface. Place wax on top, or the sides, use a torch lighter at a distance. If this has been the problem you probably have a bunch of oil in the upper and lower chambers of the heater.

I would then try using the Herc without the long black shell on to ensure the best seal possible is being made.

Lastly, how are you hitting? If you Sherlock, that is to say, divide a big breath in to 3-5 smaller breaths, each separated by a second of pausing all while the button is being pressed, you should be getting the hit of your life. If you need a visual, almost every vid of G using the Herc shows him hitting like this.

 

[PhotoRider]

I am having good luck with shatter running a 30% sized coil.

What I do is after the coil is charged, but needs more, I throw a hunk of shatter on top of the coil. Assemble the insert/mp and vape it. Power on and draw slowly for about 8 second maybe 10. You can feel the vape and heat. Release the power and continue to draw slowly for about 10 more seconds. The normal use will just load the coil. It has not leaked and long as I cool it down and lay flat.

Just let the coil load naturally. Do the first load out side or just do the same, but the first couple draws will not have vape...

 

[Caligula]

Sorry i didn't get back on here till today. I was tied up all weekend with prior plans. Talked to G on friday when i was on here with my spring issues.. It turns out the battery was to blame i got a battery with a bad wrapper... I had ordered 2 sets of these AW's so i used the spare set and this is what i am experiencing.
very inconsistent puffs..... In fact the only way i get vapor is straight of the button push and then nothing.... I can slow draw while holding the button, pulsing the button, JUMPING ON THE BUTTON!!! and hear the oil getting overcooked while no vapor comes out. However, randomly the cart will produce a big puff of vapor with a sherlock puff. In fact the only way i can get meds out of the herc is to take these dramatic sherlock puffs for as long as i can manage and then blow out half a nail hit....
So i have tried these things

Fully charged AW batteries.
Cut the coil 60/40 for my wax ( G says 30 % for shatter) which i have tried as well..
Dis-assemble and Re-assemble the cart half a doze times.
have gotten used to running the herc with no ptfe sleeve installed to make sure there is no airflow issue with the SS top.
Loaded with .4 as buffer
Added more wax .4 little by little ( I get lots of viscous oil during heating, as it is all over the SS top cap and in the mouthpiece. Even though i try to draw slowly.
So i guess my troubleshooting has come to a stop for the moment. or has the vaping even begun? doesn't sound like im having the same results.
ALSO I am up to speed on the thread.. Thanks for putting together the big post with all the steps involved with getting the herc off the ground btw. MIND BLOWN.... Still think w9 has the best customer service around! Just wish I didn't need so much help to get this thing working

Sounds like you're pulling the shorter coil off the base when hitting the unit. This gets worse as the coil gets soaked in more solid concentrates (full or over filled) seeing as how it doesn't let air pass through and all. This is an issue for my coil that is cut to be flush with the heating rod, given its shortness and lack of overall mass. Try this...

Make sure you pack your coil down inside the chamber with a tool or paperclip. Once that's done, leave the black outer heat shield off and put the SS cap and mouthpiece on. It may also help to clean the screen in the mouthpiece if it's got concentrates on it.

After doing that, preheat the unit with a 2 to 4 second press before inhaling. Then take the lightest, slowest draw you can. Pretend you are trying to milk up a tiny, over filled bong. Do that while still holding down the button. If you feel resistance don't pull harder until you feel things get freer flowing in there. Then vape on!

Get back to be on how that works.

 

[Atomsk]

Do yourself a favor if you ever feel a drop in performance, or if you can't get vapor:

Check your ceramic rod. If it is blackened, clean the top chamber of the heater core, reassemble with your dirty ceramic rod, then attach your heater core to a bottom insulator.

Do not add oil, a coil or use the SS Cap or mouthpiece.
Now run your Hercules until you see the center glow, and you should then start to see the black layer on the ceramic rod burn off.

This is key. The black layer is further insulating the heat from the concentrate. Check for this often and burn off the ceramic rod when needed. The difference is beautiful.

Edit:
Do this also if experiencing foul flavor.

 

[Mynameismud]

. MIND BLOWN.... Still think w9 has the best customer service around! Just wish I didn't need so much help to get this thing working

I know what you mean. The whole thing seemed overwhelming to me at first which is why it took me so long to jump on board. All these different batteries and numbers, as well as a bunch of different parts and attachments...and then getting a non working hercules at first didnt help matters that much.

But G spent an entire day and night messaging me and then skyping trying to solve the issues which he eventually did. I cant think of any to other company, vape or not, that would spend 12+hrs helping out a customer that didnt even purchase their product (i traded for mine). Not only that, but when i was expressing interest in the other rods before it was working, G was like "lets get this up and running to make sure you like it and its for you before you spend anymore money" and has been completely honest with everything so far. He clearly is more interested in happy customers than the money and it shows.

I have had beyond excellent customer service with other companies, SSV, vaporfection, and thermovape to name a few. And so far W9tech has far exceeded anything ive experienced with all of those. Well technically G has, I havent had to deal with customer service yet but with someone like G around I dont see much need for ever having to contact customer service

It would be that latter of the two. I'll use it, put the unit away, take it out later, and it won't heat up like it did an hour ago or whenever.

Yup experienced the same exact issue as you a couple times. I didnt have to disassemble/reassemble mine to get it working though i just simply unscrewed the herc and screwed it back on. So i dont know if my issue was due to the ceramic rod moving. But anyway its only happend like 2-3 times so maybe its just in my head. I dunno.

Anyway, 3.7V blue rod and 3.7V black/red rods are in...the testing begins, will share my thoughts with everyone and will do a full cera vs hercules post eventually...

 

[SalamiCity]

I just got my unit, boiled it all off, did the cycles, and tried loading some material. First unground, then grounded. It seems if grounded pieces will fall into the center and produce a disgusting burnt taste.

But it wont really vape the rest of the material..

After cutting it up it seems to not have a burnt taste, but nothing is really vaping.......

I only got instructions for oil. Anyone have any advice?


I also didn't get a washer as shown in one of the videos.

 

[PhotoRider]

I just got my unit, boiled it all off, did the cycles, and tried loading some material. First unground, then grounded. It seems if grounded pieces will fall into the center and produce a disgusting burnt taste.

But it wont really vape the rest of the material..

After cutting it up it seems to not have a burnt taste, but nothing is really vaping.......

I only got instructions for oil. Anyone have any advice?


I also didn't get a washer as shown in one of the videos.

Did you cut down the coil?

The new version doesn't get the washer, instead the MP insert (SS hat).

Read Caligula's write up a couple pages back. Then if that doesn't resolve it we are here to help

here was the post...

edited: Added info @ 4:00PM PST on 9-6-2013

snip...

Hopefully the following list will assist you in achieving enlightenment!

• As G stated, the Hercules is specifically designed so that you can reclaim the vast majority of your unused concentrates. While other companies make products which can be seen as direct competition for the Persei/SR-71 combo, NONE of them allow you to reclaim basically everything that isn't vaped... except the Hercules of course.

• If you disassemble any part of the core (other than the coil), you should always break the entire thing down and reassemble from the ground up. Don't be lazy and take shortcuts.

• The stock batteries that came with your Persei are not going to be good enough for the Hercules. AW is suggested by THC Sci, however I have also been getting great results from Efest 18350s. Word is that these are just rebranded AWs, and from what I've seen by 3rd party testers, the performance seems to be on par. I believe G took a set from Atom so he can test these out himself. From my own experience, I've been swapping between the AW and Efest's when one gets low on power, and I can't notice a difference unlike with the stock generic 18350s. Oh, I got the pair of Efest 18350s for $7.00 (+$4.00 for USPS 2-3 day mail) off of Amazon.

• DON'T run the Hercules on low batteries. While the AW's and Efest's have worked well for me until the Persei top cuts out, it is possible to have power drop off enough that you arent heating your oil enough to vape, but enough to loose viscosity. This was most likely one of my reasons for my leaking issue (this was with the stock generic batteries, NOT the AWs or Efests). Regardless of your battery brand, I just don't suggest taking the risk unless you don't really care. You can reclaim basically everything that leaks anyway!

• Try to use 99% iso. Yes, its available. Yes, in CA. I buy mine from my local Vons (it's Safeway brand iso). HUGE difference over 91%.

• Think of battery like like fuel in a car. Most of the fuel you use is spent getting the car up to speed (however fast that may be). Basically, you use way more gas getting to 70MPH (or 1,000,000,231KPH or WTF ever it is equal to for you non Americans) than you will traveling constantly at 70MPH. Same thing goes for the batteries and the SR-71. Most of the power you consume will be heating it up from a cold start. Once it gets going, you can lay off the gas and cruise for a while on the built up heat, while only needing short bursts of power to maintain that heat level. This is why finding the ideal temp for your load is critical. This matters for everything from vape density to how far you can stretch your meds.

• If you get whispy hits, its most likely one of three things. So before you fire off an email or make a post, try this:

1. Check your batteries. Are they stock generics? Do they have a full charge?
2. Try using the Herc without the black outer heat shield. Simply take it off then reattach the SS cap and mouthpiece. This will eliminate the possibility of an air leak.
3. Make sure you have enough load in the coil. I've found it possible to get great hits off the oil reserve. That's great and all, but what you use from there needs to be replenished when you top off again. That means if you used .25 of your buffer, you will need to put .25 + whatever u were going to vape on the next fill.

• Don't overload. If you think its because of load, make sure everything else is okay before dumping more meds in there. Better safe than sorry and reclaiming.

• When using the outer heat shield, be sure to back the plastic piece out that holds the screen in the mouthpiece by a few threads.

• Always insert the SS cap into the chamber/heat-shield BEFORE putting on the mouthpiece. Don't leave it in the mouthpiece and try to screw it back on that way.

• Coil length should be cut to various sizes depending on what type of concentrate you are using. Its been covered fairly well so far in this thread, so I wont go into a lot more detail, however if we could get some user feedback for what works well with what length, that would be tits. To make this easy for people, the SHORTEST coil should be flush with the top of your ceramic rod (white, IDK about the other colors or if it even matters).

• Remember to COOL YOUR HERCULES DOWN. Draw air through it for a good 15-20 seconds after your last hit. This will prevent burning your oil and having it leak into the lower heater chamber.

• Also remember to store your cooled Herc sideways. If you have a very runny oil in there and or a fresh high capacity fill, consider slightly elevating the mouthpiece end to prevent runs into the mouthpiece. I actually use a styrofoam packing peanut as a "pillow" for the Herc, just for that purpose.

• Remember, storing it on it's side will mean your concentrates will... concentrate on the bottom half of the coil. Keep that in mind when reheating to get more hits. You may want to prime the Herc with that side facing up at an angle or even sideways.

• Every coil is slightly different in dimension and density. Because of this, how you properly hit your specific setup can be slightly or very different from someone else. This is being addressed by G, however in the meantime just keep that in mind when trying out stuff other people claimed worked for them. BOG's Herc seems to work great when its straight up and down. Mine needs to be tilted ever so slightly, and so on. Cutting your coil will also change this dynamic.

• To expand a bit more on that coil thing... Every coil has a different density. Basically one coil may hold more or less than the next. I suspect that coil saturation variations is a source of some issues for people. What I suggest is taking your coil out and loading it (completely) outside of the Hercules. This way you will be able to see the concentrate soak down into the coil. That will give you a good visual indication to determine when the coil is fully saturated. Once you can see the concentrate has made its way completely through the coil, try reinserting it and going from there. I found this way allows me to vape dab sized amounts of concentrates off the top of the loaded coil as well. Simply drop a dab on the top of the ceramic rod and have at it (short coil).

• Make sure your coil is properly seated firmly at the base of the upper cheater core. Push that thing down with a tool or a paperclip or something to make sure. If its not in complete contact, you wont get good (or maybe any) hits. That being said, I noticed that I'ts very easy to draw too hard and pull my cut coil off the base. I found to prevent this, I need to prime the coil by pulsing the button a few times before inhaling and then SLOWLY pulling Sherlock style. Imagine as if you were trying to get the thickest milk u can in a tiny bong. That slow. Once I know good vapor is coming, I can typically draw harder but Its not normally needed given how dense the vapor is. Also, this becomes more of an issue with the "thicker" concentrates. If your wax or whatever is rock solid when its cool, then all you will do is suck the coil up off its base if you don't liquify the load before drawing through the Hercules.

• If you don't have a (or don't want to) cut coil, you can load smaller amounts on the full sized coil by loading the BOTTOM of the coil outside of the Hercules. Simply take the coil out, flip it over, melt in your concentrate, then reinsert the coil making sure the concentrate side goes in first (facing down). I get good results when the bottom 1/4 or so of the coil is well soaked in wax/oil/etc.

• Be easy on the power. You should only really need a long power hold when the Hercules is first getting warm, so you can prime the oil/wax/etc. Obviously how long you need to press the button is going to depend on what you have loaded and how much, etc... however I try to go by this rule of thumb; If I can feel a good flow of vapor and/or I can hear stuff bubbling in there, the Herc is typically hot enough. From that point I let off the gas for a little while, occasionally getting back on it in short pulses (to keep the rod @ operating temp). I think most people have issues when they smash on the heat and just lay into it. Try this approach with slow inhales first. See where that gets you.

• I honestly think people should try hitting the Hercules more like a 2.4ohm cart. From there, expand and explore what this beat can do... but if you start small and familiar I think you will have a much easier time.

snip...
-Joe

 

[SalamiCity]

Did you cut down the coil?

The new version doesn't get the washer, instead the MP insert (SS hat).

Read Caligula's write up a couple pages back. Then if that doesn't resolve it we are here to help

here was the post...

Thanks alot... I started to notice the light would flash, so I started trying to fix the inner coil, but now it seems that's telling me the batts are too low so I tried to charge them and.... I have a European charger?

I'm kind of bummed out about that.....

 

[Mynameismud]

I just got my unit, boiled it all off, did the cycles, and tried loading some material. First unground, then grounded. It seems if grounded pieces will fall into the center and produce a disgusting burnt taste.

But it wont really vape the rest of the material..

After cutting it up it seems to not have a burnt taste, but nothing is really vaping.......

I only got instructions for oil. Anyone have any advice?


I also didn't get a washer as shown in one of the videos.

Do you have a white rod or a blue rod? If its the blue rod, you shouldnt be using "batts". You need just one 3.7V 18650 battery or one 18350 battery. But if you used the two 18350 batteries with the blue rod you probably would have fried either the hercules, the persei or both, so im assuming you were either using the white rod with two 18350 batteries or the blue rod with one 18650 battery.

If your using the white rod, with the two 18350 batteries then that was designed for either just oils or oils/leaf combo. But im not sure it will work with just herbs (never tried though)

If your using the blue rod, with one 18650 battery, then here were the instructions i received from G today

"the Herc takes a while to master on herbs and requires hand control. The persei needs to be feathered. Even when warming it up. So as to apply the heat evenly through out the load.so holding it for a few second then letting go, few seconds again"

Hope that helps. Im cleaning everything right now, then gonna try the blue rod with just leaf and then possibly some leaf with some oil(no coil). So i may be able to help better after that

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

Thanks alot... I started to notice the light would flash, so I started trying to fix the inner coil, but now it seems that's telling me the batts are too low so I tried to charge them and.... I have a European charger?

I'm kind of bummed out about that.....

where did you order your Persei from?

 

[PhotoRider]

Immediate flashing light can mean 1) batteries too low/dead or 2) over current aka short or similar like running the blue rod at 7.4V with 2 18350 batteries.

If it begins to flash after being on awhile - its the protection timer - 20-30 seconds I believe on the new heads.

Your head does say PERSEI under the power switch?

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

who ever posted this the first time, i love it man.