friedbanana8
Well-Known Member
i dont think the red rod is out yet
Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.
- Thread starter THC SCIENTIFIC
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i dont think the red rod is out yet
It is for him we have a few and I decided to ask him to try it out and see how it goes.
But the red rods are now the black rods. Something to do with red not being an option as no way to do it.
Happyendin21
Member
Hello,
Just wondering what to do now I got my new supposidly aw batteries at nearly 20 a set. Charged loaded felt the tube get hot and pulled it apart and 1 battery was shorting somehow.. now that battery is shot and I see solder on the adjustable bottom plate.......... Fuck! Just 1 thing after another... I just got the thing to work! I am now trying to figure out how to replace this piece as quick as possible... But it's not on the site! As well I can't find the phone number for w9 on the site anymore. Please let me know if you have any ideas. TIA
Just wondering what to do now I got my new supposidly aw batteries at nearly 20 a set. Charged loaded felt the tube get hot and pulled it apart and 1 battery was shorting somehow.. now that battery is shot and I see solder on the adjustable bottom plate.......... Fuck! Just 1 thing after another... I just got the thing to work! I am now trying to figure out how to replace this piece as quick as possible... But it's not on the site! As well I can't find the phone number for w9 on the site anymore. Please let me know if you have any ideas. TIA
Ok so please take apart your Persei. I want you to take a picture of your spring. Only way for me to help is to see what it looks like now.
Also what number is your top?
Seems like a improperly assembled Herc.
Happyendin21
Member
How can I post a picture here? I see the option but don't have it set to a url. I the top is 4204! Like The serial number! no persei under the button. I have the picture just working on adding it bare with me.
I guess it's possible it was assembled improperly but I have been super careful with this process because I knew I had old tops. And I did it the same as every other time?
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Use imgur or photobucket
Happyendin21
Member
Sorry it took so long. Had to sign up and all that. Thanks again g for your help
Sorry it took so long. Had to sign up and all that. Thanks again g for your help
Sorry I wasn't clear but can you do a side shot ?
friedbanana8
Well-Known Member
i was liking the whole american flag colors theme going on with it, but little things like that wont matter after i get it up in the air.
Cant wait, hope the testing goes well.
Happyendin21
Member
I left it at home headed back to get a few more pictures. Bare with me
And making a THC VG/PG Tincture to vape through the Ce4 cart is not advised, is this correct?
In other news i got 2 friends to buy persei's, one to get an omicron, and my girlfriend will probably be getting a persei too. My buddy got a red persei and i have the black one so we wanted to swap out bands and bottom caps so his could be all red/chrome and mine could be red/black but when we did that my button didn't line up with the "persei" label on the side and i was sad
. We had a blasting party last night and it was fun. Ended up loading 2x 5.0 ohm carts with some old oil and full melt iso and hitting it through the bong. New levels were achieved. I can't wait to get an SR-71. I've recently started using my 3.7 Hercules with my Persei and actually managed to combust a few times with it. I'd almost be willing to bet I could put straight iso hash in there and have a ball with it. Infact I may try!
Yeah me too, cant wait to test it out and let everyone know how it goes. Also dealing with these 18350 batteries and the charger issue has made me really appreciate the 18650 batteries which makes me even more excited for the red rod!
But i do have new 18350s and chargers coming so that might make me like em better, I just prefer to have one battery in at a time as opposed to two.
Have my white rod and everything drying out right now. Gonna try it with a coil 30% of the size and some kind of fully charged batteries (dont know if batteries or charger is faulty till i get the new charger) and see if that gets it working more consistantly.
http://www.lighthound.com/AW-IMR-18350-700mAh-LiMN-Rechargeable-Lithium-Battery_p_3818.html
Ijust ordered the other day from them, says scheduled delivery of today but the tracking also says it departed sort facilty is Kansas so its no where near me. Hopefully itll be here tomorrow
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Happyendin21
Member
Is this the right angle? I took several and can post more.
Be careful ordering your AW batt's just screwed my setup with what may be a false aw... Do the real AW's have more printed info thank just a sticker and batt info/size? Mine had other marks printed on the red wrapper..... DOH!
TIA
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Mine have AW sticker then "IMR 18350 3.7V 700mah" right under the sticker. Im pretty sure lighthound is a reputable source though. So shouldnt be too much of an Issue.
Is this the right angle? I took several and can post more.
Be careful ordering your AW batt's just screwed my setup with what may be a false aw... Do the real AW's have more printed info thank just a sticker and batt info/size? Mine had other marks printed on the red wrapper..... DOH!
TIA
30% cut coil seems to have done the trick for me. Loaded up with fresh batteries, primed cart loaded oil and 3 instant, huge back to back to back puffs. Will try again later and see if its still working as strong
Happyendin21
Member
I ordered from provapes and they appear as pictured here
http://www.provape.com/AW-IMR-Batteries-18350-p/aw18350.htm
Did I get doop'd? Or just bad luck with assembly and an old top? I remember back when herc sr-71 was first released someone had a spring drop on them for some reason, talk of smoke and such. Sounds similar I will have to back track to try to find that post. I had a terrible smell but didn't notice smoking as I tried quickly to remove the batteries
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Hmmthats weird the labels are so different. Could just be different batches or an old picture on one of the sites, but mine dont look anything like the picture in your link. And at least 2 of them came with the persei
Ok. So if you can contact me via skype, or we can do it here, or if you call now ill walk you through it.
818-849-6133 ask for G im here for the day.
Happyendin21
Member
So you got aw's with your persei? I didn't, I received regular generic imr batts with my persei. Bummer..
Wouldn't be available for Skype till tonight at best I will give you a call in 5. Thanks.
Caligula
Maximus
edited: Added info @ 4:00PM PST on 9-6-2013
Good news everyone!
I believe I've finally come out of my SR-71 induced stooper enough to make a somewhat coherent post regarding my meeting with G as well as what I've learned by playing with my unit (heh).
First and foremost, I wanted to thank @THC SCIENTIFIC for the awesome customer service. From our meeting I can see that he really lives for these products and takes great pains in trying to get us all in proper working order. On top of that he most generously gave me a fresh set of AW batteries (the stock generic batteries just wont cut it for my Herc), as well as leaving me with a good half gram of pure gold in the coil, lol. But I digress...
Now that my Hercules SR-71 is up and flying, I couldn't be happier! Below (in no particular order because I have ADHD), I have listed insights, tips, and ideas for your browsing pleasure. Hopefully the following list will assist you in achieving enlightenment!
-Joe
Good news everyone!
I believe I've finally come out of my SR-71 induced stooper enough to make a somewhat coherent post regarding my meeting with G as well as what I've learned by playing with my unit (heh).
First and foremost, I wanted to thank @THC SCIENTIFIC for the awesome customer service. From our meeting I can see that he really lives for these products and takes great pains in trying to get us all in proper working order. On top of that he most generously gave me a fresh set of AW batteries (the stock generic batteries just wont cut it for my Herc), as well as leaving me with a good half gram of pure gold in the coil, lol. But I digress...
Now that my Hercules SR-71 is up and flying, I couldn't be happier! Below (in no particular order because I have ADHD), I have listed insights, tips, and ideas for your browsing pleasure. Hopefully the following list will assist you in achieving enlightenment!
- As G stated, the Hercules is specifically designed so that you can reclaim the vast majority of your unused concentrates. While other companies make products which can be seen as direct competition for the Persei/SR-71 combo, NONE of them allow you to reclaim basically everything that isn't vaped... except the Hercules of course.
- If you disassemble any part of the core (other than the coil), you should always break the entire thing down and reassemble from the ground up. Don't be lazy and take shortcuts.
- The stock batteries that came with your Persei are not going to be good enough for the Hercules. AW is suggested by THC Sci, however I have also been getting great results from Efest 18350s. Word is that these are just rebranded AWs, and from what I've seen by 3rd party testers, the performance seems to be on par. I believe G took a set from Atom so he can test these out himself. From my own experience, I've been swapping between the AW and Efest's when one gets low on power, and I can't notice a difference unlike with the stock generic 18350s. Oh, I got the pair of Efest 18350s for $7.00 (+$4.00 for USPS 2-3 day mail) off of Amazon.
- DON'T run the Hercules on low batteries. While the AW's and Efest's have worked well for me until the Persei top cuts out, it is possible to have power drop off enough that you arent heating your oil enough to vape, but enough to loose viscosity. This was most likely one of my reasons for my leaking issue (this was with the stock generic batteries, NOT the AWs or Efests). Regardless of your battery brand, I just don't suggest taking the risk unless you don't really care. You can reclaim basically everything that leaks anyway!
- Try to use 99% iso. Yes, its available. Yes, in CA. I buy mine from my local Vons (it's Safeway brand iso). HUGE difference over 91%.
- Think of battery like like fuel in a car. Most of the fuel you use is spent getting the car up to speed (however fast that may be). Basically, you use way more gas getting to 70MPH (or 1,000,000,231KPH or WTF ever it is equal to for you non Americans) than you will traveling constantly at 70MPH. Same thing goes for the batteries and the SR-71. Most of the power you consume will be heating it up from a cold start. Once it gets going, you can lay off the gas and cruise for a while on the built up heat, while only needing short bursts of power to maintain that heat level. This is why finding the ideal temp for your load is critical. This matters for everything from vape density to how far you can stretch your meds.
- If you get whispy hits, its most likely one of three things. So before you fire off an email or make a post, try this:
- Check your batteries. Are they stock generics? Do they have a full charge?
- Try using the Herc without the black outer heat shield. Simply take it off then reattach the SS cap and mouthpiece. This will eliminate the possibility of an air leak.
- Make sure you have enough load in the coil. I've found it possible to get great hits off the oil reserve. That's great and all, but what you use from there needs to be replenished when you top off again. That means if you used .25 of your buffer, you will need to put .25 + whatever u were going to vape on the next fill.
- Don't overload. If you think its because of load, make sure everything else is okay before dumping more meds in there. Better safe than sorry and reclaiming.
- When using the outer heat shield, be sure to back the plastic piece out that holds the screen in the mouthpiece by a few threads.
- Always insert the SS cap into the chamber/heat-shield BEFORE putting on the mouthpiece. Don't leave it in the mouthpiece and try to screw it back on that way.
- Coil length should be cut to various sizes depending on what type of concentrate you are using. Its been covered fairly well so far in this thread, so I wont go into a lot more detail, however if we could get some user feedback for what works well with what length, that would be tits. To make this easy for people, the SHORTEST coil should be flush with the top of your ceramic rod (white, IDK about the other colors or if it even matters).
- Remember to COOL YOUR HERCULES DOWN. Draw air through it for a good 15-20 seconds after your last hit. This will prevent burning your oil and having it leak into the lower heater chamber.
- Also remember to store your cooled Herc sideways. If you have a very runny oil in there and or a fresh high capacity fill, consider slightly elevating the mouthpiece end to prevent runs into the mouthpiece. I actually use a styrofoam packing peanut as a "pillow" for the Herc, just for that purpose.
- Remember, storing it on it's side will mean your concentrates will... concentrate on the bottom half of the coil. Keep that in mind when reheating to get more hits. You may want to prime the Herc with that side facing up at an angle or even sideways.
- Every coil is slightly different in dimension and density. Because of this, how you properly hit your specific setup can be slightly or very different from someone else. This is being addressed by G, however in the meantime just keep that in mind when trying out stuff other people claimed worked for them. BOG's Herc seems to work great when its straight up and down. Mine needs to be tilted ever so slightly, and so on. Cutting your coil will also change this dynamic.
- To expand a bit more on that coil thing... Every coil has a different density. Basically one coil may hold more or less than the next. I suspect that coil saturation variations is a source of some issues for people. What I suggest is taking your coil out and loading it (completely) outside of the Hercules. This way you will be able to see the concentrate soak down into the coil. That will give you a good visual indication to determine when the coil is fully saturated. Once you can see the concentrate has made its way completely through the coil, try reinserting it and going from there. I found this way allows me to vape dab sized amounts of concentrates off the top of the loaded coil as well. Simply drop a dab on the top of the ceramic rod and have at it (short coil).
- Make sure your coil is properly seated firmly at the base of the upper cheater core. Push that thing down with a tool or a paperclip or something to make sure. If its not in complete contact, you wont get good (or maybe any) hits. That being said, I noticed that I'ts very easy to draw too hard and pull my cut coil off the base. I found to prevent this, I need to prime the coil by pulsing the button a few times before inhaling and then SLOWLY pulling Sherlock style. Imagine as if you were trying to get the thickest milk u can in a tiny bong. That slow. Once I know good vapor is coming, I can typically draw harder but Its not normally needed given how dense the vapor is. Also, this becomes more of an issue with the "thicker" concentrates. If your wax or whatever is rock solid when its cool, then all you will do is suck the coil up off its base if you don't liquify the load before drawing through the Hercules.
- If you don't have a (or don't want to) cut coil, you can load smaller amounts on the full sized coil by loading the BOTTOM of the coil outside of the Hercules. Simply take the coil out, flip it over, melt in your concentrate, then reinsert the coil making sure the concentrate side goes in first (facing down). I get good results when the bottom 1/4 or so of the coil is well soaked in wax/oil/etc.
- Be easy on the power. You should only really need a long power hold when the Hercules is first getting warm, so you can prime the oil/wax/etc. Obviously how long you need to press the button is going to depend on what you have loaded and how much, etc... however I try to go by this rule of thumb; If I can feel a good flow of vapor and/or I can hear stuff bubbling in there, the Herc is typically hot enough. From that point I let off the gas for a little while, occasionally getting back on it in short pulses (to keep the rod @ operating temp). I think most people have issues when they smash on the heat and just lay into it. Try this approach with slow inhales first. See where that gets you.
- I honestly think people should try hitting the Hercules more like a 2.4ohm cart. From there, expand and explore what this beat can do... but if you start small and familiar I think you will have a much easier time.
-Joe
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vaporchaser420
Active Member
@Caligula about the power issue, when I had my Hercules I was going through at least 40-50 sec of heat up time before I got the vapor where I liked (nail size hits), now I'm thinking this is way too long (this was before the magic cut the coil method), I actually fried my single and double top (due to failure to assemble correctly for single, not sure for dbl), but my question is, can the heat from the Hercules be hot enough for top failure? and did G recommend a limit to how many times the top should be pressed before failure occurs?
Caligula
Maximus
Oh, one other thing (lol ran out of room to post in my last reply)!
- If there's meds in your mouthpiece (and you cool down/store the Herc properly), you are either overheating your meds, have overfilled your chamber, and/or are hitting too hard... or any possible combination of the 3. Check, reset, and try again.
- Yea, I like that. For almost any potential issue; Check, reset, and try again.
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Caligula
Maximus
He did not, however that didn't come up. I am sure though, there there is a reason why there's a set limit on the auto timer. That ceramic rod can get melt your face hot given enough power and time so yea... I'd imagine its not helping anything to be hammering it for almost a full minute straight (at the very least).
But to address your issue, that is WAYYYY too long. With a coil full of wax, I only need 8-10 seconds of warm-up time before i get decent vapor. From there its only 3-5 second pulses depending on frequency and whats loaded. If its taking that long there has to be some other issue. Perhaps battery? Full charge I'm assuming? What brand? And I bet G will want to see a pic of the battery spring on the bottom cap of your Persei tube, taken from the side to see if its compressed at all.
Oh Yea, that's something new I learned. The spring compresses and drops the battery to disconnect power in case of a short in order to prevent bad things from happening. Features you didn't even know you had!
vaporchaser420
Active Member
hmm I was using stock but I also used efest, both were fully charged, and yes my spring did drop but I yanked it back to where it was supposed to be, should I not use the bottom that dropped ?, I'm getting my tops back today (cross fingers), I have a spare stainless one, but I think remember a couple of pages back where someone just pulled their spring back to normal and it was ok, please correct me if I mistaken