Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

[Souljah]

THC,
What are we going to have to do to get new tops for those of us that have fried tops now? Can they be rebuilt, or do they just get replaced? Seems like a fair amount of us burnt them up beta testing the sr71. Also do we need to do anything to receive the new mouthpiece adapter piece that is coming out later this month? Thanks.

 

[TommydCat]

Can someone share their secrets on drawing from the Bender? At 7.4V it seems it heats up pretty quickly, but if I draw too early, there's barely anything, and if I wait a few seconds too long, it seems I'm on the verge of combusting. I can let it heat up and draw as it heats, but it doesn't seem to hold a temp, or I can let it heat up more and use a slow draw to try to control the heat, but then it gets way hot internally (and starts doing conduction through the glass).

(And I'm really second-thought'ing about passing on an Iris v1 earlier -- it seems dropping the voltage a bit would really dial this in and greatly simplify the under/overshooting the temps). The CR-123a's don't seem to quite get it there and die rather quickly (less than a session?!)

When I get a good draw, it's freakin' awesome and the taste is there.. but consistency is what I don't have at the moment..

 

[kindbeats]

Can someone share their secrets on drawing from the Bender? At 7.4V it seems it heats up pretty quickly, but if I draw too early, there's barely anything, and if I wait a few seconds too long, it seems I'm on the verge of combusting. I can let it heat up and draw as it heats, but it doesn't seem to hold a temp, or I can let it heat up more and use a slow draw to try to control the heat, but then it gets way hot internally (and starts doing conduction through the glass).

(And I'm really second-thought'ing about passing on an Iris v1 earlier -- it seems dropping the voltage a bit would really dial this in and greatly simplify the under/overshooting the temps). The CR-123a's don't seem to quite get it there and die rather quickly (less than a session?!)

When I get a good draw, it's freakin' awesome and the taste is there.. but consistency is what I don't have at the moment..

I almost never use my Bender because I don't use flower anymore but I bought the Iris simply for the reason you mentioned. Having the option to dial down your voltage definitely helps eliminate the chances of combustion. Hopefully the v2 will be ready somewhat soon.

 

[iceman42593]

So I just picked up a multimeter to check the resistance of my ceramic rod for my sr-71 and it reads 1.9 - 2.0 ohms. Is this a problem? I've read here from many people that the resistance should be about 1.3 - 1.5 ohms?

I was going to be sending in my Persei tops since my sr-71 fried them, but could the higher resistance in the rod be why they fried perhaps? Should I send my ceramic rod in with the tops to be repaired/replaced also?

Edit: I just checked the resistance on my 5 ohms carts that I have and they were reading about 5.5 ohms? perhaps my multimeter is just slightly off since it's just a walmart cheapy, or is it normal for things to read a little bit higher in ohms than they are rated?

 

[PhotoRider]

So I just picked up a multimeter to check the resistance of my ceramic rod for my sr-71 and it reads 1.9 - 2.0 ohms. Is this a problem? I've read here from many people that the resistance should be about 1.3 - 1.5 ohms?

I was going to be sending in my Persei tops since my sr-71 fried them, but could the higher resistance in the rod be why they fried perhaps? Should I send my ceramic rod in with the tops to be repaired/replaced also?

First test the resistance of the meter leads. Connect the tips together and note the reading. Then subtract that from the rod measurement.

Typically leads are 0.1-0.4 ohm depending on everything. So the measurement you stated is mostly likely OK.

And no higher resistance is the opposite of frying a top. It would be a lower resistance value - aka 0 ohms...

 

[iceman42593]

First test the resistance of the meter leads. Connect the tips together and note the reading. Then subtract that from the rod measurement.

Typically leads are 0.1-0.4 ohm depending on everything. So the measurement you stated is mostly likely OK.

And no higher resistance is the opposite of frying a top. It would be a lower resistance value - aka 0 ohms...

Ah, okay thank you much! you were completely right, the leads are about 0.4 - 0.5 ohms on this meter, so nevermind then, the rod measures just as it should. Thanks again!

I guess I'll just have to wait for my new tops along with the new mouth piece adapter coming out to fix the air flow problem! The few good hits I had gotten off of my sr-71 were beast! hah

 

[PhotoRider]

The meter may have an adjustment to remove that offset...

Yes, get the tops fixed while you wait for the MP update. Then always test the SR-71 assembled resistance after assembly until you are consistent on sucess. You will learn quickly what can go wrong - feedback from the meter is the key to the door.

 

[ataxian]

Can someone share their secrets on drawing from the Bender?

I'm only a consumer and not an expert like "OF" or "G"!

I stir between rips.

Also I use a couple of weak 18350's (not fully charged)
Sometimes I use a fully charged set of 3.0V = 6.0Volts.

I just mess around!

No science just feel!

The BENDER is fun and tasty. (when I have time)

The IRIS would be a welcomed attachment to the BENDER.
We could take a fully charge set of 18350's and adjust the voltage until we find our sweet spot!

I made some powerful setups with the SR71 and got floored.
Guess I had dumb luck because I'm using the same Top with a 2.4 Cart and a 18650 and the vapor is amazing!

Any suggestion as to how to get the stuff flowing?

I do things really wild and most will disagree with my methods. However before I medicate with a cart I take a torch to it. Very lightly and never hold the flame in one spot. Turning the cart while moving the flame up and down with out actually touching the cart. Like your blower dyer method I guess. OK I'm impatient. I know it will clog if I don't preheat. No big deal really.

Also I found that the well purged waxes work best.
The cheap grams are for dabbing not the carts.
If your not sure do a foil test before you load a cart.

 

[iceman42593]

The meter may have an adjustment to remove that offset...

Yes, get the tops fixed while you wait for the MP update. Then always test the SR-71 assembled resistance after assembly until you are consistent on sucess. You will learn quickly what can go wrong - feedback from the meter is the key to the door.

As I'd said, it's a little cheap meter from walmart lol I did look but it does not appear to have any settings to offset the resistance in the leads, but for like $10 I can't really complain. I just wanted something to be able to verify that the assembly was beyond any doubt correct, which now that I have I will definitely verify the ohms ever time I assemble it. Better safe than to blow another top and have to wait on replacement.

 

[Katysax]

Delta 9 must be replacing a lot of blown tops. I blew both my tops trying to use the Hercules so I took them over to Delta 9 this morning. They replaced both tops and also the melted down bottom coil. They showed me why I was having trouble with the Hercules. The bottom line is that is has to be assembled correctly. I had some parts touching that were causing a short. Now the Hercules works great!

On the other hand I thought I had finally figured out the 2.4 cartridges. I loaded a cartridge by making sure it was warm in the center (using a hair dryer). When it filled I took a couple of pulls from the bottom. Put the cartridge in my Omicron and it works like a champ. So then I tried filling another cartridge and it's a harder wax. The cartridge is definitely not burnt out - but it doesn't seem to prime. In one of my earlier attempts when confronted with this situation I tried a drop of flavorless ecig juice. Terrible idea. It got the cartridge working but it tastes absolutely awful and has made that particular cartridge too harsh. Any suggestion as to how to get the stuff flowing?

 

[PhotoRider]

And I am sure they are at least thinking of a way to add something to act like a fuse for protection... like a sacrificial anode on an out board motor

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

And I am sure they are at least thinking of a way to add something to act like a fuse for protection... like a sacrificial anode on an out board motor

One would think thats what we are doing but we are not, simply going to let the old tops burn out as so we can replace them little by little.

Introducing another part into the Persie that is for sure going to be a headache for people to replace all the time is just to much. We will just simply replace what ever tops are in warranty and what ever is not will just have to go through our available warranty options.

Delta 9 must be replacing a lot of blown tops. I blew both my tops trying to use the Hercules so I took them over to Delta 9 this morning. They replaced both tops and also the melted down bottom coil. They showed me why I was having trouble with the Hercules. The bottom line is that is has to be assembled correctly. I had some parts touching that were causing a short. Now the Hercules works great!

On the other hand I thought I had finally figured out the 2.4 cartridges. I loaded a cartridge by making sure it was warm in the center (using a hair dryer). When it filled I took a couple of pulls from the bottom. Put the cartridge in my Omicron and it works like a champ. So then I tried filling another cartridge and it's a harder wax. The cartridge is definitely not burnt out - but it doesn't seem to prime. In one of my earlier attempts when confronted with this situation I tried a drop of flavorless ecig juice. Terrible idea. It got the cartridge working but it tastes absolutely awful and has made that particular cartridge too harsh. Any suggestion as to how to get the stuff flowing?

The system definitely has an air bubble. Heat up the cartridge a tad bit and gently from the tread side pull the liquid down.

 

[PhotoRider]

So the new tops will not blow with a short? If so you added a safety feature

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

So the new tops will not blow with a short? If so you added a safety feature

We are slowly adding these new tops with stronger safety circuits that can handle the Hercules.

Please understand that when the Persei came out The Hercules was not even a dream, it was designed for cartridges only so when we put out these new heavy duty attachments the circuitry was just not designed to handle something like a Hercules.

With the New tops they are even way better then the Hammer tops.

 

[PhotoRider]

Not complaining Just trying to understand...
I was just wondering if a new top can recover from a shorted load - aka instant over current condition. I fully understand the originals were not designed for new carts. It determines how I treat it and if I double check a new load.

Actually, in my mind you are being very generous with the warranty on the tops and I do understand why. Since it was not designed for the SR-71 (and Hammer) you could have done this differently - like stating up front the original tops while met the design and marketed specifications, can not handle the new carts. Then ofter an upgrade and sell new tops singlely. No issue stating the new improved Persei is now in production, but retrofitting improvements that are designed for new products is atypical (at least in my experience) - hence your outstanding customer service rep.

I think we all need to keep this in mind as we all go through the pre-order initial production units. Its a 2 way street. Expect issues, comes with the territory on something this new and complex. Even after beta testing by hard users production tolerances still happen. Bob ran through this thing for a while and he isn't just a fan boy.

THC has opened their kimono to us to see inside...

 

[THC SCIENTIFIC]

Not complaining Just trying to understand...
I was just wondering if a new top can recover from a shorted load - aka instant over current condition. I fully understand the originals were not designed for previous carts. It determines how I treat it and if I double check a new load.

Actually, in my mind you are being very generous with the warranty on the tops and I do understand why. Since it was not designed for the SR-71 (and Hammer) you could have done this differently - like stating up front the original tops while met the design and marketed specifications, can not handle the new carts. Then ofter an upgrade and sell new tops singlely. No issue stating the new improved Persei is now in production, but retrofitting improvements that are designed for new products is atypical (at least in my experience) - hence your outstanding customer service rep.

I think we all need to keep this in mind as we all go through the pre-order initial production units. Its a 2 way street. Expect issues, comes with the territory on something this new and complex. Even after beta testing by hard users production tolerances still happen. Bob ran through this thing for a while and he isn't just a fan boy.

THC has opened their kimono to us to see inside...

Yes the new tops are designed to simply shut down in case of a bad assembly and will turn back on once the assembly is corrected.


In fact some Companies if ever given the opportunity will call a short circuit protection a micro controller of intelligence. It will tell you when you need to re assemble your hercs without ever having a sensor in it, but we are not said type of company. We just keep it real and be truthful. Now if we can ever figure out how to control temperatures without any sensors.

 

[Katysax]

The customer service has really been great. I had bought my Persei from a non official vendor. Delta 9 was very nice to let me buy a warranty and replace my tops. They've also been quite helpful.

 

[tsc.v8]

Got SR-71. Learned to disassemble/assemble. Melted .2g on top of coil. Cartridge heats but oil doesn't melt at all, much less vaporize. The #10 washers (even one) make it difficult if not impossible to screw on the MP. Single top blown - blue light stays on, smoke from button. I have the 3.7 rod and the 7.4, FYI.

edit: any advice?

 

[tharealmclovin]

I put .5g in and still no vapor. I suggest we get back on the waiting train until this gets solved

EDIT: Just got a tiny wisp. still nothing to brag about.. A few light hits and i am medicated but still super light vapor. Almost reminds me of trying to get the 3.7v herc to work with herbs at first.

 

[tsc.v8]

I guess it's good that I'm getting a VV/VW mod and wax atomizers tomorrow, then. I have wax that I've been waiting to vape for so long I'm beginning to wonder if it's even any good anymore. By the way, thanks for replying.

Guess it might be time to head for the classifieds. Especially since I can't seem to get any customer service. I'll wait for a day or two just in case someone jumps in to help.

 

[OB]

Ive had better luck figuring out where to set the screen retainer in the mouth piece and then put the shell on with the mouth piece on fully so the gap is on the bottom between the base and the shell. it at least keeps things tighter when the top gets all hot. still have not been able to get consistent hits, but i can tell a huge difference when the thing seals up right and catches me off guard with a lung crushing hit.

 

[ataxian]

I guess it's good that I'm getting a VV/VW mod and wax atomizers tomorrow, then. I have wax that I've been waiting to vape for so long I'm beginning to wonder if it's even any good anymore. By the way, thanks for replying.

Guess it might be time to head for the classifieds. Especially since I can't seem to get any customer service. I'll wait for a day or two just in case someone jumps in to help.

My gear is working fine!

The PERSEI SHORTY with a 2.4 cart and a 18350 is like unreal!
WOODSHOP DAY!

PERSEI in Da House!

 

[Angel]

Freedom to vape!!!!! Amen

 

[kindbeats]

I guess it's good that I'm getting a VV/VW mod and wax atomizers tomorrow, then. I have wax that I've been waiting to vape for so long I'm beginning to wonder if it's even any good anymore. By the way, thanks for replying.

Guess it might be time to head for the classifieds. Especially since I can't seem to get any customer service. I'll wait for a day or two just in case someone jumps in to help.

Let me get this straight. You're saying that you haven't received any customer service on the SR-71 problem, yet G has posted a million times that the solution is a mouth piece adapter and it will be sent out to us for free in nine days. Doesn't get much clearer than that.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't G and w9tech give you your SR-71 for free? That would be the same SR-71 that costs everyone else $120, yes? And that's a lack of customer service? What else do they have to do for you to feel adequately serviced, give you a happy ending?

 

[tsc.v8]

My gear is working fine!

Very helpful, thanks.

This is what I'm talking about.

What do you have to do? Sell me a working product.
I paid well over $200 for my Persei many weeks ago and it hasn't worked as advertised. Saying the SR-71 was free is missing the point. I've sunk over $200 into this project and so far nothing has worked. I think I'm entitled to a little frustration. If you disagree so be it.