SlinginPaint
As Above ∞ So Below
I put a TINY bit in mouthpiece, not the main chamber. You can remove it with a toothpick.
Heres a shot of one I just thew in there:
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I put a TINY bit in mouthpiece, not the main chamber. You can remove it with a toothpick.
Heres a shot of one I just thew in there:
TommydCat
Well-Known Member
Ahh, I get ya. I'm in the camp that it's not temperature cooler, but it's cooler when someone sees you hitting it 
Also keep in mind that unless the bottom seal is perfect, some air will be running alongside the cartridge instead of through it, so there will be a slight temp reduction, but I'd think it would be minimal at best.
Also keep in mind that unless the bottom seal is perfect, some air will be running alongside the cartridge instead of through it, so there will be a slight temp reduction, but I'd think it would be minimal at best.
friedbanana8
Well-Known Member
Ahh, I get ya. I'm in the camp that it's not temperature cooler, but it's cooler when someone sees you hitting it
slight temperature reduction is still temperature reduction guys
-said the stubborn son of a gun
Geez guys,
Regarding the Nibbler-X and cooling, it seems everybody here is part correct and yet missing an important point.
OF is right that glass is a good insulator and I'd bet with him in guessing that the temperature of the cartridge actually increases somewhat rather than running cooler.
Also, the system is not closed, BUT... When you draw, as the water level rises and water is displaced from the perc, until the first bubbles actually occur, a very small pressure drop will happen - exactly enough pressure to raise the water again the force of gravity. This effect is slight, but with strong lungs and a _much_ larger tube a person might pull down about a tenth of an atmosphere (i.e. ~75mm of mercury); This effect would not cause any cooling with the materials we're discussing.
The larger ignored issue has been barely touch upon: The water itself has a high thermal capacity and will cool the vapor. I'd bet that this effect is far greater than the rise in temperature at the cartridge, but still small (someone should try to measure the vapor temperature with different water levels and water temperatures). I'd bet under most users' conditions the vapor is cooled less than 10 degrees, but someone using ice might get double that.
Overall, I'd expect that the effects of increasing the humidity of the vapor rather than that of decreasing the temperature is what users enjoying these are experiencing. Of course, as often, I am just guessing (without measurements)
-NDA
Regarding the Nibbler-X and cooling, it seems everybody here is part correct and yet missing an important point.
OF is right that glass is a good insulator and I'd bet with him in guessing that the temperature of the cartridge actually increases somewhat rather than running cooler.
Also, the system is not closed, BUT... When you draw, as the water level rises and water is displaced from the perc, until the first bubbles actually occur, a very small pressure drop will happen - exactly enough pressure to raise the water again the force of gravity. This effect is slight, but with strong lungs and a _much_ larger tube a person might pull down about a tenth of an atmosphere (i.e. ~75mm of mercury); This effect would not cause any cooling with the materials we're discussing.
The larger ignored issue has been barely touch upon: The water itself has a high thermal capacity and will cool the vapor. I'd bet that this effect is far greater than the rise in temperature at the cartridge, but still small (someone should try to measure the vapor temperature with different water levels and water temperatures). I'd bet under most users' conditions the vapor is cooled less than 10 degrees, but someone using ice might get double that.
Overall, I'd expect that the effects of increasing the humidity of the vapor rather than that of decreasing the temperature is what users enjoying these are experiencing. Of course, as often, I am just guessing (without measurements)
-NDA
OF
Well-Known Member
This effect is slight, but with strong lungs and a _much_ larger tube a person might pull down about a tenth of an atmosphere (i.e. ~75mm of mercury); This effect would not cause any cooling with the materials we're discussing.
The larger ignored issue has been barely touch upon: The water itself has a high thermal capacity and will cool the vapor.
Overall, I'd expect that the effects of increasing the humidity of the vapor rather than that of decreasing the temperature is what users enjoying these are experiencing. Of course, as often, I am just guessing (without measurements)
You know, NDA, I miss 'your stuff'. You have a different and useful perspective to offer once again. Another way to look at the human vacuum pump is to note a snorkel over about 3 feet long is impossible to use under that much water, you can't pull 3 feet of water (out of 33 feet give or take, one atmosphere) at Sea Level. 1/10 of an atmosphere, 1.47 PSI. A trifling amount for this effect.
I too think moisture has a lot to do with it. Using the TV "True Flow" gives 'cooler vapor' by adding a tiny bit of water back in.
One thing sure, whatever it is, we like it?
Thanks again, Nick. Don't be gone so long?
OF
friedbanana8
Well-Known Member
thats right, just hit the damn thing and enjoy i guess. god im so gone of my ass right now, im gonna order a pizza, the fucking nibblerx man, its just some boss ass shit
OF
Well-Known Member
Yup, that's the technical term all right. In the original Greek and spelt right by golly!
However it works, it somehow manages to put a smile on the owner's face......
OF
redeye homie
New Member
Guess I'll be getting a NX next week hahaha
Atomsk
Floating In My Tin Can
Yeah, man, these guys showing love for their new NX's got me over not having the 42% discount. Already have my order shipped and tracking.
Are you holding it sideways or straight? Maybe it's that water isn't reaching the perc? Try submerging the perc and the drawing on it, if nothing, you should probably open up a ticket.
Y'know, I don't have mine in yet, but I thought that the bottom metal ring comes off from the glass itself? If that's true, then you leave the metal ring on and try to remove the glass.
However, in the highly likely event I'm wrong, and even if I'm right, I'd go ahead and listen to Bob:
kindbeats
Terps Up, Temps Down
I've tried it every which way with every imaginable amount of water. It only fires through one hole, maybe two at most. I've opened tickets before, but is this even something that would be covered by Delta9?
Edit: As some of you may know, I recently received two 2.4 ohm carts with my Nibbler X. The first one was tasting great until a mishap with my Iris led to my oil being burnt. Now, when I went to fill the second one, it read at 3.5 ohms when checking via the Iris and has that metallic taste that I hated about the original carts. Double whammy.
Atomsk
Floating In My Tin Can
I've tried it every which way with every imaginable amount of water. It only fires through one hole, maybe two at most. I've opened tickets before, but is this even something that would be covered by Delta9?
Edit: As some of you may know, I recently received two 2.4 ohm carts with my Nibbler X. The first one was tasting great until a mishap with my Iris led to my oil being burnt. Now, when I went to fill the second one, it read at 3.5 ohms when checking via the Iris and has that metallic taste that I hated about the original carts. Double whammy.
Sorry bout the bad luck, man. When it comes to ohms, at least you have the Iris to correct the behavior. The taste I actually encountered in one of my new carts as well. Actually, I thought I had the bade taste in two carts, but I'm thinking the Hash Plant wax I loaded just tastes like straight machine diesel, haha. In the case of the other cart, it goes away fast enough. Just got to power through, maybe try extra priming?
As to the NX, of course. I'm pretty sure it comes with a warranty, D9V's site is down so I can't confirm. But if at any time a product isn't working as advertised, the consumer has every right to bring it to the company for a fix. And this is D9 we're talking about, they're pretty phenomenal with that. Just explain the situation and the good people at their office in Van Nuys will send you a fully functioning NX that'll be even more of a game changer.
MaxVapor
The Professor
My Nx only bubbles through one of the perc holes as well. It is not always the same hole though and It will switch holes if you tilt it a little in one direction or another. Does not seem to affect performance in the least though, so I am not sure if this is a defect or just physics at work. I would also be curious if this is everyone's experience or just a few.
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
to be honest how can you really tell w/out a 360 deg. side view? i know that at least one or two are firing. if you look at the original, which from i could tell just had slits, and the current one, which seems to have tear drop holes, and more of them, you'd find us better off now. plus for such a small piece, how much diffusion are you really expecting?
My Nibbler X only creates bubbles from one hole as well. Despite angle changes, water level and every other variable. I really don't care because it makes the hits so tasty but it does only bubble out of one hole, cant figure out why either. Also, as I previously posted just leave the bottom metal cap from the NX on your device and only remove the glass part, this will help prevent water getting sucked into your carts.
TommydCat
Well-Known Member
I find the diffusion excellent, actually - watching the way the very thin sheets of vapor and water mix pressed between the tubes - it's really a well-designed perc and I believe G designed it himself. Turning it around in my hands slowly while tilted and hitting it, the "active" hole changes to whichever one is near the top. While holding it fairly level it seems random which one will fire next. 
How clean is yours currently? I take some 99% ISO (lower percentages but above 88% are ok, just takes a bit more elbow grease and shaking it to get same effects) and add a bit of table salt, hold it between my thumb and ring finger and shake it, shake shake shake shake it, shake it like a Polaroid pict-cha! Followed by a good long rinse (making sure to blow it out every so often because it's designed to RETAIN, not flush water
)
If there's a hole (I count 5 on mine - the small dot looking things just above the lower ridgeline where the glass expands above the metal mounting spacer) not firing after you're certain it's perfectly clean, give D9V a call and discuss it.
Personally it doesn't bug me much if a hole or three on a much bigger perc isn't firing as long as the glass looks nice. Much more than that and it starts negatively impacting the draw because it becomes much more restrictive if there's only so many working holes. This is exacerbated in the Nibber X's situation.
Unless you know a buddy with another 100% working Nibbler X is you can physically compare it to, it's really hard to gauge if your draw is harder than designed. On mine, the water level itself really affects the drag, and with minimal water (like 4-5 drops) there is still a bit more drag than compared with a cartridge with a mouthpiece.
One tendency when encountering an air restriction is to try to suck golf balls through a garden hose like a champ. This is when you laugh at your friend after he winds up with a mouthful of oil after he just nuked your 1.5 cart at 7.2v. Sad soldier burial time, but he deserved that for wasting my shit - and no you gotta go home and use your own Scope, asshole.
The Nibbler X quickly breaks you of that habit by filling your mouth up with water before the cart starts spewing. It sets the pace for what the fastest draw you can do and trains you for when you're using a cart alone. It does not necessarily teach you the OPTIMUM draw speed, however, but it's still a great state to be in.
So ultimately I would ask myself if the draw was so restrictive that a less-experienced friend winds up with mouthfuls of water no matter how hard he tries, and/or if he can learn to draw even slower to crank up a power cloud, milking and sexing that Nibbler X up so nice! That's the operating window for this perc, and if it's not comfortable to use in that range, I have an issue with it.
However, that is my operating criteria and not necessarily your own, so having a hole not fire is a perfectly legitimate complaint should you choose to make it one. I don't know D9V's policy regarding return/exchange since glass percs are a really funky subject with most outlets, but they have been outstanding and upstanding with myself (I had an order a bit back with some bad parts which they quickly replaced at no additional cost to myself.. can't ask for anything more).
Hopefully that sucker fires up for you and all it well. I'm really impressed by the technical craftsmanship on these pieces (Nibbler X and Bender) as well as the overall elegant lines and subtle light effects since the glass panes are perfectly symmetrical.
Give 'em a call and discuss! I'm sure they've been bored out of their minds since 4/20!
How clean is yours currently? I take some 99% ISO (lower percentages but above 88% are ok, just takes a bit more elbow grease and shaking it to get same effects) and add a bit of table salt, hold it between my thumb and ring finger and shake it, shake shake shake shake it, shake it like a Polaroid pict-cha! Followed by a good long rinse (making sure to blow it out every so often because it's designed to RETAIN, not flush water
)If there's a hole (I count 5 on mine - the small dot looking things just above the lower ridgeline where the glass expands above the metal mounting spacer) not firing after you're certain it's perfectly clean, give D9V a call and discuss it.
Personally it doesn't bug me much if a hole or three on a much bigger perc isn't firing as long as the glass looks nice. Much more than that and it starts negatively impacting the draw because it becomes much more restrictive if there's only so many working holes. This is exacerbated in the Nibber X's situation.
Unless you know a buddy with another 100% working Nibbler X is you can physically compare it to, it's really hard to gauge if your draw is harder than designed. On mine, the water level itself really affects the drag, and with minimal water (like 4-5 drops) there is still a bit more drag than compared with a cartridge with a mouthpiece.
One tendency when encountering an air restriction is to try to suck golf balls through a garden hose like a champ. This is when you laugh at your friend after he winds up with a mouthful of oil after he just nuked your 1.5 cart at 7.2v. Sad soldier burial time, but he deserved that for wasting my shit - and no you gotta go home and use your own Scope, asshole.
The Nibbler X quickly breaks you of that habit by filling your mouth up with water before the cart starts spewing. It sets the pace for what the fastest draw you can do and trains you for when you're using a cart alone. It does not necessarily teach you the OPTIMUM draw speed, however, but it's still a great state to be in.
So ultimately I would ask myself if the draw was so restrictive that a less-experienced friend winds up with mouthfuls of water no matter how hard he tries, and/or if he can learn to draw even slower to crank up a power cloud, milking and sexing that Nibbler X up so nice! That's the operating window for this perc, and if it's not comfortable to use in that range, I have an issue with it.
However, that is my operating criteria and not necessarily your own, so having a hole not fire is a perfectly legitimate complaint should you choose to make it one. I don't know D9V's policy regarding return/exchange since glass percs are a really funky subject with most outlets, but they have been outstanding and upstanding with myself (I had an order a bit back with some bad parts which they quickly replaced at no additional cost to myself.. can't ask for anything more).
Hopefully that sucker fires up for you and all it well. I'm really impressed by the technical craftsmanship on these pieces (Nibbler X and Bender) as well as the overall elegant lines and subtle light effects since the glass panes are perfectly symmetrical.
Give 'em a call and discuss! I'm sure they've been bored out of their minds since 4/20!
kindbeats
Terps Up, Temps Down
Oh man, I didn't mean to open a can of worms or anything with the Nibbler X. As I mentioned, I'm extremely happy with the way the Nibbler X works and was only asking if I had a defect or if everyone had the same thing happening. I'm not about to open a ticket for something small like this because as I said before, this thing is a game changer as is. I absolutely love it.
As I mentioned, I'm extremely happy with the way the Nibbler X works and was only asking if I had a defect or if everyone had the same thing happening. I'm not about to open a ticket for something small like this because as I said before, this thing is a game changer as is. I absolutely love it.
Atomsk
Floating In My Tin Can
Oh man, I didn't mean to open a can of worms or anything with the Nibbler X.
I'd still contact them. Having a reported history of this behavior, in case it isn't normal, will help expedite any future claims and leave less liability on the side of the owner. If not a ticket, I'd still suggest giving Gary a call. Might have some knowledge on using NX that we have yet to uncover.
Coincidentally, anyone have their number? The site is down and I don't have it written anywhere.
I'm perfectly happy with the way my nibbler x performs. I will shoot D9V an email just in case there are others that work with all holes firing simultaneously and perhaps it's a QC issue they may or may not be aware of. I'm not seeking replacement or repair it just seems in the best interest of constructive feedback as mentioned above. Anyone who smokes cigs or uses e-cigarettes should look into the getting the SS Ejuice Tank from D9V. I love this thing, it's made of metal so I'm not afraid to put it into my pocket, I recent got the Persei SS kit also so I can run a shorty tube with the SS tank on top and have a super portable setup that hits and tastes fantastic. I get a lot of compliments from my buddies who have Provaris after they see/try my setup.
Bodhi Diesel
Cannabis Snob
Percs not firing ???
Don't forget that the Nibbler X is blown by craftsman, not stoners. That's why they're so expensive.
Blah !
Don't forget that the Nibbler X is blown by craftsman, not stoners. That's why they're so expensive.
Blah !
Darb
Well-Known Member
A craftsman can be a stoner too!!
friedbanana8
Well-Known Member
I would say give putting your finger on top of the air way a try, its less of a hassle if you can leave the O-ring on the nibblerX itself and a little less tortue on the O-ring as well. I fill my nibbler to half way and have never had any water leak out of it
What happens when you put your finger on top of the mouthpiece airway is that you're pressurizing it. Like if you put you finger on top of a straw with liquid, despite gravity it will stay in the straw vertically in mid air
EDIT: I found this explanation in my chemistry book for the straw trick
It's a matter of air pressure that acts on the water.
When the straw is uncovered, there are two forces acting on the water inside. There is gravity, pulling the water down, and air pressure. The pressure is about the same on both ends of the straw, but on the top of the straw, the pressure pushes the water downward, and on the bottom of the straw, the pressure pushes upward. Both of the pressures are the same, so the net force is just the force of gravity pulling the water down and out of the straw.
When you cover the top of the straw, you block the air from pushing down on the water. In this case, the only forces on the water are the air pressure pushing up, and gravity pulling down. However, the air pressure is a greater force than gravity, and keeps the water in the straw despite gravity's pull.
Bodhi Diesel
Cannabis Snob
Absolutely !!! The reason we were given for the expensive Nibbler X was that D9 had the pieces made by "serious" craftsmen not stoner local glass blowers. I was calling BS from the beginning.
OF
Well-Known Member
Interesting, but obviously false in the details. Putting your finger does not "block the air from pressing down", it did nothing at all to remove the air.....right? It's still there at 14.7 PSIA, give or take. Nothing has changed.
However, when you lift the straw, the level drops some. This is key. The same number of molecules are in a bigger space now, the pressure therefore goes down by the ratio of the differences in volumes. This change in PSIA times the area of the tube is what's doing the work by holding that weight of water up. The unchanged pressure outside against the reduced pressure inside. The longer the straw, the bigger the drop in level and pressure needed. It reaches an equilibrium determined by those numbers. The air pressure difference is definitely not "a greater force than gravity" it is, in fact, exactly equal to it. More over, it starts lower than gravity and as the vacuum 'grows' it climbs in effect, it's never greater. Gravity wins (or ties, never loses).....which is why we found the water on the ground to start with?
Because there's only 14.7 PSIA to start with, there's a limit of something like 33 feet as a maximum for this, as a practical matter it's less of course. In extreme cases it crashes a bit early since the vapor pressure of the water limits the vacuum possible to a number bigger than zero.
This is how the classic barometer works. There's a (near perfect) vacuum in the tube above the mercury (never changes despite volume changes). Air pressure, working on the bottom, can support a column of Mercury that weighs the absolute pressure times the area times the height (volume of the column) times the mass of mercury. The 'straw trick' is a subset of that? FWIW Franklin was supposed to have built a water barometer on the side of a barn with a window at the top to see a carved wooden float. Because the column was so long, the changes in pressure were in feet, not inches or mm.
I hope you didn't pay too much for this Chemistry book......you should have got one written by a Physicist it seems?
I guess I don't get what you're calling BS over.....is it you think they're secretly being made by stoners for cheap? Not 'straight Craftsmen'? Given the price seems in range with other, similar, small WTs it seems in line for domestic made semi custom glass to me.
It certainly seems in line with say the PVHES from PV. There an upgraded stem is three times the price of the mass produced one from the maker, about a third what the Nibbler X is? Given the latter is much more complex and includes machined metal as well I fail to smell Bull anything?
OF
Bodhi Diesel
Cannabis Snob
OF
Well-Known Member
That's absurd. Such a piece is made against a design, right? The craftsmen in question make it to match the drawing and order, the functionality is the responsibility of the Designer, it's saleability belongs to the sales guys (and traditionally 'the old man').
Given the quality of mine and reported by others I'd say the guys that made it and inspected it were doing their jobs. The fact that given the physics involved (low head pressures, small openings with high water surface tension, low flow rates and so on) it's not realistic to expect all four vents to run full tilt. In fact, if you pull harder, more come on line as might be expected. So an owner wondered why, that happens. After it was explained to him he seemed satisfied with the quality and performance (didn't want to return it).
Please show me even one complaint about the workmanship to back up "complaints about bad workmanship ie "non-firing" percs"? I saw a guy question and several respond 'mine does it too'....which of them complained of bad workmanship?
I know you're anxious to find some 'evidence' to back up your issue with the price, but IMO this is not it.
OF